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US's Traffic Up 63.3% At IND  
User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

According to Indianapolis Airport Authority statistics US Air traffic traffic increased by 63.3%. The numbers are for Feb 2006 compared to Feb 2005. Their Dec 2005 numbers were up 23.3% over Dec 2004. This is despite the overall traffic numbers for IND being down 11.9% in Feb 2006 over Feb 2005. The numbers do not include America West flights. The combined numbers for HP and US put them approximately 21,000 pax served behind NW for the first two months of the year. This reminds me of an Indy Star story that ran almost 1 year ago to the day (June 5, 2005).

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...e?AID=/20050605/BUSINESS/506050304

I think most of us laughed at quotes like..

"The combined America West-US Airways could open a Midwest hub, possibly at Indianapolis International Airport, which already is expanding with a $1 billion midfield terminal project under construction."

and

"I think Indianapolis will have a hub within three years," Vasey said. "What US Airways is missing is the ability to push Ohio Valley traffic west. If you look at the region stretching from Chicago to Pittsburgh, Indianapolis is sitting there as the perfect place for someone to set up a perfect hub."

With this kind of jump in passengers served could something be up? Is there something up?


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User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

Quoting Indy (Thread starter):
"I think Indianapolis will have a hub within three years," Vasey said. "What US Airways is missing is the ability to push Ohio Valley traffic west. If you look at the region stretching from Chicago to Pittsburgh, Indianapolis is sitting there as the perfect place for someone to set up a perfect hub."

ummm... my only thought is as follows, CLE, DTW, ORD, MDW, PIT*, CVG, STL, MKE all already have "Hub" status.... what really makes him thing that US would put another hub smack dab in the middle of all the other hubs... HP Used to have CMH and they sold that off to DL... well anyways... short of a couple of those hubs closing I don't think IND will see that status.. o, I almost forgot, IND is a focus city for NW... short of that pulling out... chances are slim..

* refers to a focus city.



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User currently offlineWard86IND From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

Yeah, unfortunately we're just right smack in the middle of all these hubs, unless something drastic happens, don't count on it...at least NW is treating us well, first time I'm gonna get nonstop service to SEA since, well, I lived in the PIT area during the hayday of US's PIT hub. And even then nonstop to SEA IIRC was rare! Maybe FL could use a little focus city here as well...


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3208 times:

Why do you suspect the big increase in traffic? Could this be tied to UA's 49% decline here?


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User currently offlineWard86IND From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

Well for starters the whole metro area is among the fastest growing in the country. Final Four traffic? February might be a bit early for that. Indy Metropolitan Airport is having some issues, no one wants to claim it. Could mean more traffic for KIND. If I knew precisely when ATA ran into big trouble I would be more sure, but that probably impacted the numbers. And NW's recent ramp-up in service could also be part of it. So really NW is just picking up a lot of the slack of ATA and UA and the timing of it all may have indicated a bigger increase then there really has been over an extended time period.

[Edited 2006-06-03 09:45:13]


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

I think TZ's final flights were in Jan. So I'm sure thats having an impact. They cut back quite a bit I think in roughly march of 2005. They were down to 3 flights a day I believe in October of 2005 and they were all gone by some time in Jan 2006. I think the numbers for May when they come out should look more normal. I Easter came in March in 2005 so March numbers will be higher in 2005. But Easter came in April of 2006 plus the final four was in April so April 2006 should be much higher. May should be normal.


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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

I definitely don't see US opening a hub there, given that they don't have enough aircraft for the services they're trying to offer as it is. The US fleet is stretched very, very thin.

For reference purposes, here's the current service offered by US at IND:

7x CLT (2x 734, 733, 2x CRJ, CR9, CR7)
7x LGA (7x ERJ)
6x PHL (3x CRJ, 2x E70, ERJ)
4x DCA (733, 734, CRJ, ERJ)
4x PIT (3x E70, DH8)
3x BOS (3x ERJ)
2x PHX (2x 320)

Definitely one of the busiest non-hub/focus city stations US has.



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4036 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

US isn't opening any more hubs  Yeah sure and if they were to open a new one, IND really isn't in the best spot for one and doesn't yet have the necessary O&D, IMO although if it is really growing rapidly, this may change in the future. As I see it, it's just a little too close to DTW and ORD at the moment.

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5002 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 1):


US would put another hub smack dab in the middle of all the other hubs... HP Used to have CMH and they sold that off to DL

Minor correction: HP pulled the CMH minihub and DL moved in. No selling involved.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9179 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Quoting Ward86IND (Reply 2):
Maybe FL could use a little focus city here as well...

An FL focus city in PIT? That would be sweet. O&Ds are already on the increase there, and I am sure that would push them up even more. Still, quite a ways off though. Someone else on the forum here said that if F9 was to start PIT-DEN then FL might increase service at PIT. I don't know what to expect at PIT other than for O&D and overall traffic to continue to increase there...



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9490 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

Well US had a small hub with about 100 flights in the 90s with regional feeder flights out of IND and some longer flights, but they cut back since then.

Personally I am confused as to where this extra traffic has come from. Has US added flights? Concourse D doesn't seem to be any more crowded than it was a year ago. I'm a little confused on that one. Have load factors drastically improved?



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User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 8):
Minor correction: HP pulled the CMH minihub and DL moved in. No selling involved.

My appoligies but rather, HP Sold DL the CHQ contract for the RJ's which allowed HP to Pull out and gave DL the extra A/C and some slots to begin flying the routes out of CMH....



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

Didn't USAirways express have IND-GRR flights until about 2 or 3 years ago?


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9179 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

Ward86IND, did you make that statement regarding a FL focus city at PIT or was that directed towards IND. It seems to me that FL is actually not as committed to serving PIT as some people think. They seem more committed to IND and BWI much more so than PIT... After reading up on what little FL has done to help the PIT situation, I say screw them. THEY could have come in to fill the gaps left in the wake of the US hub closure. They used to have a number of flights to several destinations, but were drastically reduced because of US' dominance in PIT. When US closed their hub down, why didn't FL add anymore frequencies to offer lower fares again and bump up O&D?

Sure, they were intimidated by the supremely large presence of US, but US doesn't even have a third of the presence it once had at PIT. I think it's a little late now for FL, providing that PIT has already landed WN and B6, with possibly more airlines to come in the future... GO WN and B6!!



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5002 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 11):


My appoligies but rather, HP Sold DL the CHQ contract for the RJ's which allowed HP to Pull out and gave DL the extra A/C and some slots to begin flying the routes out of CMH....

My apologies...looks like we're both right, in a way!



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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2420 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 12):
Didn't USAirways express have IND-GRR flights until about 2 or 3 years ago?

Yes, Chautauqua Jetstreams (J31) did GRR-IND for a number of years and GRR-DAY for awhile too.



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