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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

I live near LBA and i was wondering if any airlines operate to north america. I've seen America 752'S on approach recently. Were they just diverts?

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User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

No there are no services to North America from LBA. As far as I'm aware the only 757's to operate into LBA at the moment are Jet2's, but I may be wrong there.


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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

Must have been a divert. Did there used to be North American Services

User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 1):
No there are no services to North America from LBA.

Correct. There is the very occasional Thomsonfly charter with 763's via SNN to BGI, but these tend to be just a couple of flights per year and usually operate in the winter.

In the past, the only regularly served transatlantic destination has been YYZ, originally with Wardair 742's via BHX and later Worldways, Odyssey International, Nationair and Air Transat though the last of these ceased serving LBA-YYZ around 1999.

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 1):
As far as I'm aware the only 757's to operate into LBA at the moment are Jet2's,

Thomsonfly also have a based 752 at LBA each summer.

Quoting BA787 (Thread starter):
I've seen America 752'S on approach recently.

This will almost certainly have been the aircraft operating BOS-MAN, which is an AA B757 service.

[Edited 2006-06-03 17:09:54]


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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 3):
This will almost certainly have been the aircraft operating BOS-MAN, which is an AA B757 service.

Shame would be nice to have transatlantic services any plans for them why dont BA use LBA


User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
why dont BA use LBA

Presumably because, apart from the 1 763 service from MAN - JFK, BA have chosen to centralise all their North American services from LHR / LGW. IIRC they used to also operate across the pond from both BHX and GLA but pulled these services.



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

Do BA operate regional out of LBA IF not any ideas why not

User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 6):
Do BA operate regional out of LBA IF not any ideas why not

No. They used to but pulled out a few years back, I don't know the exact reasons but it probably has something to do with BMI operating out of there too. I don't know too much about it personally but I'm sure someone will.



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User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 6):
Do BA operate regional out of LBA IF not any ideas why not

You could also try reading this thread;

Could BA Return to LBA ?



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User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
Shame would be nice to have transatlantic services any plans for them why dont BA use LBA

It would make little sense for BA to operate transatlantic from LBA for many reasons:

1) They are almost exclusively focused on London for long-haul operations. The only transatlantic service they operate outside of London is MAN-JFK.
2) Have an already sizeable operation at nearby MAN which is proving difficult to maintain, with a number of routes being chopping over the past year.
3) No presence at all at LBA.

If BA were going to expand long-haul operations outside of London it would be 100% certain to be at MAN rather than LBA. But don't expect any expansion at MAN either!

A LBA-New York service has been discussed in the recent past, the LBA website last year even asked for people's comments on whether they would use such a service. If so, CO would be the best chance of such a service working, not BA. Why? Because not only can CO attract people wishing to visit New York, but they also have the advantage of drawing people through their hub at EWR for a vast number of onward connections throughout the rest of the US, Canada and beyond.



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

I like CO as well so that would be excellent hope we get 753's if it happens what about AA or Delta

User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 6):
Do BA operate regional out of LBA IF not any ideas why not



Quoting LHRjc (Reply 7):
No. They used to but pulled out a few years back, I don't know the exact reasons but it probably has something to do with BMI operating out of there too. I don't know too much about it personally but I'm sure someone will.

BA Regional pulled out of LBA (and CWL) completely in early 2003. This was due to restructuring within BRAL which lead to the withdrawl of the entire J41 fleet (which were then leased to Eastern Airways) which were the aircraft based at LBA, CWL and a used on a few other other routes at that time (such as IOM-BHX). The next smallest aircraft left in the fleet was the Dash 8 which was too large for the BRAL routes which had been using the J41's. If you look at the route map of Eastern Airways, a good number of their routes are ex-BRAL ones.



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User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2632 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 10):
I like CO as well so that would be excellent hope we get 753's if it happens what about AA or Delta

The only B757's CO use on transatlantic services are 752's.

AA and DL can't offer the same number of connections at JFK as CO can at EWR. A New York service from LBA would be reliant on a good proportion of passengers connecting to other destinations as it's unlikely there would be a sufficient number of people wishing to just go to New York from the LBA catchment area to warrant such a service.

[Edited 2006-06-03 17:45:16]


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User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2579 times:

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 9):
CO would be the best chance of such a service working

I agree. I think a CO 752 service from LBA to EWR could prove successful. They have done very well with other services from the UK regions to EWR.

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 11):
If you look at the route map of Eastern Airways, a good number of their routes are ex-BRAL ones.

Minus LBA to LGW. Any chance this route will be reinstated by LS or anyone else?

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 11):
the entire J41 fleet (which were then leased to Eastern Airways)

When does the lease run out on these? Will Eastern renew the lease or will we see them going to BA Connect?



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2572 times:

I expect Eastern will renew the lease. BA hASno use for these aircraft anymore especially with BACONNECT would be nice to see ba at lba again tho

User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2557 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 13):
Minus LBA to LGW. Any chance this route will be reinstated by LS or anyone else?

LBA-LGW was actually dropped prior to the BA pull-out at LBA, something like 1998/99. This had been operated by AT4's from the Cityflyer Express side of operations, rather than being part of the J41 operation. I've not heard any rumours of another carrier planning to reintroduce LBA-LGW anytime soon.

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 13):
When does the lease run out on these? Will Eastern renew the lease or will we see them going to BA Connect?

These won't be re-introduced by BA Connect, even if Eastern no longer wanted them. BA is simplfying it's fleet and cutting costs, it doesn't want the J41's back. I'm sure that Eastern had plans to extend the lease period, if this hasn't already been completed.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2522 times:

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 15):
I've not heard any rumours of another carrier planning to reintroduce LBA-LGW anytime soon.

There has been talk of Jet 2 flying the route, but that is probably just wishful thinking



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User currently offlineTuRbUleNc3 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

4 757's based at the moment:

Jet2
G-LSAA (Soon to go in for re-config of 235 seats as opposed to 228)
G-LSAB (Now gone to MAN i believe)
G-LSAC (Finally arrived and in full config of 235 seats)

ThomsonFly
G-BYAI (Looks like its staying with us all summer)

I wont put a message about Astraeus' 757's when they come in, just incase ZuluTime feels the need to report me to my company again for having an opinion.

[Edited 2006-06-03 21:43:19]

User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

Quoting TuRbUleNc3 (Reply 17):
just incase ZuluTime feels the need to report me to my company again for having an opinion.

Mind me asking what are you tallking about and whether i should be careful about talking to ZuluTime


User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

What's the largest aircraft LBA has handled ? Having only flown out of there a few times on KLc F100's I'm not overly knowledgeable about the place but one of those runways seems very undulating - wouldn't fancy it in a 744  Wink


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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

i know a Lba ATC guy and hes told me that the runway can cope with 747's and in airliners net there is a photo of Concorde landing at LBA Cheers tc

User currently offlineTuRbUleNc3 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

It used to do a Wardair flight years ago using a 747, they stopped at BHX to pick up more pax and fuel before heading across the atlantic.

The largest it gets nowdays is either a 757 or on rare occasions, a 767 on cruise charters by ThomsonFly, although last year TOM based a 767 at LBA AFAIK, or maybe it was just for some flights?

Quoting BA787 (Reply 18):

Mind me asking what are you tallking about and whether i should be careful about talking to ZuluTime

Yeah sure, i expressed an opinion about an airline, and he didnt like it and reported me to my company.

[Edited 2006-06-03 22:20:26]

[Edited 2006-06-03 22:23:06]

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 12):

The only B757's CO use on transatlantic services are 752's.

AA and DL can't offer the same number of connections at JFK as CO can at EWR. A New York service from LBA would be reliant on a good proportion of passengers connecting to other destinations as it's unlikely there would be a sufficient number of people wishing to just go to New York from the LBA catchment area to warrant such a service.

[Edited 2006-06-03 17:45:16]

Correct..........if anything, it would be CO, with 752s. LBA and NCL have been discussed and rumored as new destinations out of EWR for several years but, so far, neither had been added to the CO network.


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Quoting TuRbUleNc3 (Reply 21):
Yeah sure, i expressed an opinion about an airline, and he didnt like it and reported me to my company

Hes nice isnt he tell im to sod off


User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

Quoting TuRbUleNc3 (Reply 21):
although last year TOM based a 767 at LBA AFAIK, or maybe it was just for some flights?

The past couple of years in fact! Well partially anyway. BY (as it was then) based a 762 in May and June '04 and '05 and then reverted to a 752 for the remainder of those summer seasons. However, summer '06 seems to be a 752 for the whole season.

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 19):
What's the largest aircraft LBA has handled ?



Quoting Capital146 (Reply 3):
In the past, the only regularly served transatlantic destination has been YYZ, originally with Wardair 742's via BHX



Quoting TuRbUleNc3 (Reply 21):
It used to do a Wardair flight years ago using a 747, they stopped at BHX

Also (many years ago) had regular flights from British Airtours TriStars and Aviaco (Iberia) A300's.



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25 BA787 : Cheers What date did Concorde visit LBA
26 TuRbUleNc3 : Theres a picture on a.net of the tristar when it overran the runway inbound from PMI. I only mentioned wardair as it was the biggest i could think of
27 Capital146 : Concorde visited LBA many, many, times between 1986 and it's final appearance in 2000. The first Concorde to appear (in August 1986) was an Air Franc
28 EGNM-LBA : Not true. Yes, Cityflyer stopped the route when they had the opportunity to fly Gatwick - Zurich and this deemed a more profitable use of the a/c and
29 BA787 : LBA is my local airport and my family wish that LBA offered more flights to different destinations. Is there a charter or scheduled flight to Turin f
30 Post contains links LHRjc : Can't see any services to Turin on the LBA timetable at http://www.lbia.co.uk/pdf/All.pdf Jet 2 have scheduled services to Milan (Bergamo) Pisa (Flor
31 BA787 : cheers LHRjc do TOM or MON operate ski charter flights
32 TuRbUleNc3 : Austrian does ski flights to Innsbruck in winter, MON doesnt fly in/out of LBA
33 Humberside : Personally, Im sort of expecting DSA-TFS on GSM before long
34 BA787 : cheers Turbublenc3 Is that using Tyrolean Dash 8
35 TuRbUleNc3 : Not as long as ive seen it, only seen it a couple of times though, 737 once possibly, and F70 the second time.
36 Sam1987 : Ohh really? I do hope so. May I ask where you heard the talk? Would that be with the leased BAe146? Whenever I'm at Leeds rail station, it is full of
37 EGNM-LBA : Not really. The 146 is an interim solution to delays in getting 737s and a 757 into service. Jet2 don't intend to be a 146 operator for any longer th
38 BA787 : Just been at LBA not very frequent services today at all. When is LBA's busiest time? Why does BMI have a white ERJ-145?
39 Humberside : There has been some on the lba spotters forum.
40 BA787 : Can you put a link in for the LBA spotters forum plz is it A.Net
41 Post contains images Humberside : I have sent you a private message since posting links like that isn't allowed
42 BA787 : Chhers and thanks for the warning. T.C.
43 2travel2know : Maybe at the same time CO returns to STN and opens NCL one could see them trying their luck with LBA. I'm quite sure all these English airports might
44 Post contains images Leezyjet : IIRC I believe it was a Corsair 747-300 that was in on a football charter. I think they had a 747-200 and a 747-300 in at the same time if my memory
45 Sam1987 : Could you send me the link too please? I agree.
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