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Lufthansa Will Have 2 Daily Flights To DFW?  
User currently offlineDallasnewark From Estonia, joined Nov 2005, 495 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7801 times:

Lufhtansa will have 2 daily flights to DFW this winter.
I just looked it up on Amadeus and it shows 2 LH nonstops from FRA to DFW.

Dallas is a fast growing business area, but I'm surprised it is the LH and not the AA that added the second nonstop flight to DFW


B732/3/4/5/6/7/8/9, B742/4, B752/3,B762/3/4, B772/3, A306, A318/9/20/21, A332/3, A343/6, MD80/83/88, L1011, TU104/134, F
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User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7792 times:

What equipment will those flights be on?


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User currently offlineDallasnewark From Estonia, joined Nov 2005, 495 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7785 times:

I'm seeing A340-300 for both flights, they are only like 40 minutes apart.


B732/3/4/5/6/7/8/9, B742/4, B752/3,B762/3/4, B772/3, A306, A318/9/20/21, A332/3, A343/6, MD80/83/88, L1011, TU104/134, F
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7785 times:

That must be one hell of an O&D market for LH...a Star Alliance carrier with two flights a day to a OneWorld hub.

The only other similar situation I can think of is London-Denver on British Airways, but they have always had a very large U.S. presence.

How many flights a day will that make DFW-FRA?



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User currently offlineDallasnewark From Estonia, joined Nov 2005, 495 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7766 times:

That would make it 3. AA also has one nonstop per day.
LH loads have been very high on FRA-DFW segment, especially in the winter.
In addition to the business traffic, a large number of Indians go back home in the winter.
I've been to a couple of the LH flights from FRA to DFW in January and the flights were fully booked.

I'm surprised AA didn't add a second flight there



B732/3/4/5/6/7/8/9, B742/4, B752/3,B762/3/4, B772/3, A306, A318/9/20/21, A332/3, A343/6, MD80/83/88, L1011, TU104/134, F
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7751 times:

I'm only seeing one daily A343 in the computer reservations systems with flight numbers LH438/439 FRA-DFW-FRA. Also, the LH timetable is also showing only one daily flight.

User currently offlineBkkair From Thailand, joined Aug 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7725 times:

What are the flight numbers? I could only find one flight (LH438 - FRA-DFW) looking in the winter (after Oct 29) timetable (checking with Sabre and also www.Lufthansa.com ). Maybe they only loaded the schedule into Amadeus so far.

User currently offlineDallasnewark From Estonia, joined Nov 2005, 495 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7725 times:

KAYAK.COM shows 2 departure flights, one at 3:50pm and the other at 4:30 pm.


B732/3/4/5/6/7/8/9, B742/4, B752/3,B762/3/4, B772/3, A306, A318/9/20/21, A332/3, A343/6, MD80/83/88, L1011, TU104/134, F
User currently offlineDallasnewark From Estonia, joined Nov 2005, 495 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7720 times:

Here's what AMADEUS shows.

American Airlines
AA 70 Dallas Ft Worth (DFW), Dallas, Texas, USA
Terminal D 14:45
Frankfurt Int'l (FRA), Frankfurt, Germany
Terminal 1 07:10+1 day(s)
Non-stop
777 9h25min Daily

Scandinavian Airlines
SKLH 3554 OP Dallas Ft Worth (DFW), Dallas, Texas, USA
Terminal D 15:55
Frankfurt Int'l (FRA), Frankfurt, Germany
Terminal 1 08:35+1 day(s)
Non-stop
343 9h40min Daily

United Airlines
UALH 8865 OP Dallas Ft Worth (DFW), Dallas, Texas, USA
Terminal D 15:55
Frankfurt Int'l (FRA), Frankfurt, Germany
Terminal 1 08:35+1 day(s)
Non-stop
343 9h40min Daily

Lufthansa
LH 439 Dallas Ft Worth (DFW), Dallas, Texas, USA
Terminal D 16:30
Frankfurt Int'l (FRA), Frankfurt, Germany
Terminal 1 09:15+1 day(s)
Non-stop
343 9h45min Daily



B732/3/4/5/6/7/8/9, B742/4, B752/3,B762/3/4, B772/3, A306, A318/9/20/21, A332/3, A343/6, MD80/83/88, L1011, TU104/134, F
User currently offlineKevinDCA From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 105 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7711 times:

What is the flight number at 3:50 pm, and what is the flight number at 4:30 pm?

User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7479 times:

my guess would be one flight that the sched change has not cought up with SK and UA codeshare flights yet.

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User currently offlineMaartenV From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7305 times:

Why are these flights timed only 40 minutes apart?

Wouldn't it make more sense to have two flights with a couple of hours in between instead of having two at basically the same time?

Or maybe one flight to FRA and one to MUC?



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User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7037 times:

Lufthansa is the only airline that offers seamless single connections to nearly every city in Europe not served with a non-stop by AA (BA offers fairly limited connectivity through LGW). However, I would tend to believe that the flight would be upgraded to a 744 before they go double daily.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6936 times:

My guess is that its nothing more than a schedule change, and the system is showing both the new and old timings of the same flight.......soemtimes that happens, especially over weekends when systems are updating.

The situation is further confused by code share operations, the operating carrier updates its schedule and it sometimes takes a while for the code-share partners to coordinate their schedules and systems.


User currently offlineBOAC911 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6438 times:

As headwinds are stronger during the summer months, the flight arrives a little later, and hence has a later departure time from DFW, usually around 16:30. In the winter it usually leaves at 15:25 or 15:40, but recently as late as 15:55. As Dutchjet has pointed out this is just a change in schedule and the systems have not yet fully syncronized.

User currently offlineAirFrance From United States of America, joined May 2006, 60 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5893 times:

When I flew into DFW from EWR i watched a LH A330 take off and that was the only one i saw from them. I'm wondering if I saw the last flight out from them or not?


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User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

I think the chances of a double daily LH flight DFW-FRA are close to 0. Must be a system error.

User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1368 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

Quoting FraT (Reply 16):
I think the chances of a double daily LH flight DFW-FRA are close to 0. Must be a system error.

No question. As someone else mentioned, they would upgrade (744, 346) before they would add a 2nd freq. From what I understand loads on the 333/343 are not that great anyway..


User currently offlineHaydenAirMD11 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5071 times:

Hi Dallasnewark,

regarding your question, I have checked in Worldspan and it is clear whats going on. The thing is that LH chenged times and the US and SK flights you have in Amadeus are not yet changed. It takes some time untill Code Share flights will be changed as well.
As you can see below, the UA flight UA8865 is operated by Lufthansa
1 UA 8865C 09NOV DFWFRA SS1 1555 0835 #1/O $ E
OPERATED BY DEUTSCHE LUFTHANSA AG
if you check LH availability you get following:
*** LUFTHANSA AIRLINES ***
09NOV-TH DFW FRA ** **
11 LH 439 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 DFWFRA 1630 0915 #1 343 0
V9 W9 S0
12*LH9317 F4 A4 C4 D4 Z4 Y4 B4 M4 DFWORD 1225 1448 735 0
H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4
13 LH 431 F3 A3 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 FRA 1600 0725 #1 343 0
H9 Q9 V2 W2 S2
So you only get 1 Nonstop Service by Lufthansa from DFW to FRA with an A340-300.
I guess the schedules are not already sincronized with LH the operating carrier.
Hope that helps you.
Greetings
Alex


User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4915 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 17):
From what I understand loads on the 333/343 are not that great anyway..

Wrong. LH is the ONE foreign airline that does very well at DFW, and has historically done well for more than two decades. Korean does OK, and BA not so OK.

As for the possibility of two flights to DFW? Er, NO!

LH uses a A340 in the summer and A330 in the winter with times that are just slightly different by a hour or so. Sometimes over the Christmas or New Year's holidays the flights are cancelled for low number of passengers.

LH does so well at DFW overall because of the great connectivity at FRA to Asia, Africa and intra-Europe. BA, with its LGW issue does not have the same connectivity.

I dropped my mother off at DFW this weekend on her summer sojourn to India, and the terminal was packed! Summer is great for LH at DFW, as many families visit relatives in India.



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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1368 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4890 times:

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 19):
Sometimes over the Christmas or New Year's holidays the flights are cancelled for low number of passengers.

This may be what I was understanding. I had seen somewhere that overall loads were just OK in both cabins, it might be around the holidays.

I know AA does very well on DFW-FRA with all cabins running close to full year-round on the 777. I would think if they could get another favorable slot at FRA they could possibly run a 2nd freq with a 767-300. Where they would get the airframe is another story entirely...


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4862 times:

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 2):
I'm seeing A340-300 for both flights, they are only like 40 minutes apart

why would LH do something so silly? It might make much more sense to wait until they have the 380s and then operate a single daily flight, if they actually believe there's that much traffic volume on this sector.


User currently offlineTriley1057 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 1999, 462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4857 times:

Is LH still considering adding a PrivatAir flight to IAH?

User currently offlineCOfaninBOS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4736 times:

I hadn't heard that LH was considering adding a PrivatAir flight to IAH. They serve IAH daily from Frankfurt on a 343.

KLM added a 6 times per week privatair flight in addition to their daily 74M to Amsterdam. Is that what you were thinking of?


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3939 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4718 times:

Quoting COfaninBOS (Reply 23):
I hadn't heard that LH was considering adding a PrivatAir flight to IAH. They serve IAH daily from Frankfurt on a 343.

Actually there was a rumour on the IAH Spotters Club from a UA employee based at IAH, who heard that LH was looking at starting an additional flight via a PrivatAir Airbus. Again this is only a rumour with no hard evidence of any validity to said rumour.

Thomas



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