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Will AA Bring Back STL-CUN/PVR?  
User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

I just wondering if AA will reinstate service to CUN and resume seasonal service to PVR. I don't know how the PVR route did last year but it looked like it was doing well by the seat map/price. Any information would be appreciated. I also thought that they would have brought back CUN service by now. Also, a side note AA will upgrade SEA/SFO to 2 daily 757's in Sept.

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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

SEA and SFO are BOTH 2daily 757's? WOW! Looking at the map they are ex TWA 757's too.


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User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 1):
SEA and SFO are BOTH 2daily 757's? WOW! Looking at the map they are ex TWA 757's too.

I didn't realize they were ex TWA aircraft. That's cool. STL will now have 13 daily 757 flights from AA in the fall schedule.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2285 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

I too have wondered why CUN isn't back yet. Wasn't this a really popular flight in the past? I thought I had heard a while back that it was supposed to be back sometime this year, but I cannot remember exactly when. I am wondering as well if PVR will be back next winter, at least the loads looked good on those flights.

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3902 times:

I guess AA's only international service from STL at the moment is YYZ?

Do AA do STL-SJU?



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):
I guess AA's only international service from STL at the moment is YYZ?

No AA does not serve YYZ, it is served by Air Canada/Jazz.

Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):
Do AA do STL-SJU?

Not for a long time.

Currently there are no intl flights being offered by AA at STL but there are from F9(CUN), and USA3000 and Champion Air.

Alex



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

Its a bit of a shame that AA have a hub at STL but cant even offer an Eagle or Connection service to Canada or a weekend flight to Mexico. Especially when compared to the likes of US's PIT focus city which YYZ and CUN flights I believe

Im surprised AA dont run STL-SJU between two of their hubs. Or is there just not much demand from STL to the Carribbean?



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2073 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):
Do AA do STL-SJU?

St. Louis to San Juan stuck around as a twice weekly flight for about 6 months after the cuts. From what I gathered, the flight generally sold okay but at rock bottom prices, hence its gone.

Cancun should come back at some point in time. At one point, it was operated three times weekly (S, Su, W) so I am having a hard time imagining it won't come back.

The 757's on SEA and SFO aren't real surprising given the flight time and above average premium traffic.


User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

I bet it has a lot to do with the devestation that cancun went through.


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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1371 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3666 times:

Quoting Stl1326 (Thread starter):
Also, a side note AA will upgrade SEA/SFO to 2 daily 757's in Sept.

I don't see those changes in the latest schedule from 5/27. What are you getting that I'm not? I still see MD-80's thru the end of the year.

Also, on a somewhat related note STL will see a schedule reduction from the current level of 205 to 178 per the Oct 29 schedule. Whether or not some of those flights come back remains to be seen...


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 9):
I don't see those changes in the latest schedule from 5/27. What are you getting that I'm not? I still see MD-80's thru the end of the year.

The routes become all 757's Sept 6th. Pretend to book a flight at AA.com to SEA/SFO choose Sept 6th and any return date and you will see it in the bookable schedule.

Alex



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User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3644 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 9):
Also, on a somewhat related note STL will see a schedule reduction from the current level of 205 to 178 per the Oct 29 schedule. Whether or not some of those flights come back remains to be seen...

I don't know where you got 178 but they will actually be at around 198. Maybe a Saturday or Sunday schedule? The drop is due to American Connection (Trans State) for dropping its J41's.

[Edited 2006-06-05 18:14:24]

User currently offlineBDL2STL2PVG From China, joined Jun 2006, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

Does the AA Concourse C even have the capability to support Customs & Immigration anymore? I thought that that area was being renovated and changed the last time I was through Lambert. If they would need to arrive way over near the junction of D and the East Terminal that would make connecting an issue and probably increase the cost.

User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1371 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3599 times:

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 11):
Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 9):
Also, on a somewhat related note STL will see a schedule reduction from the current level of 205 to 178 per the Oct 29 schedule. Whether or not some of those flights come back remains to be seen...

I don't know where you got 178 but they will actually be at around 198. Maybe a Saturday or Sunday schedule? The drop is due to American Connection (Trans State) for dropping its J41's.

That's what happens when you are up for days at a time waiting for a flight out of Kuwait, you click on the wrong day. Clicked Sunday the 5th instead of Monday the 6th...  crazy 

Does this also coincide with the COU/JLN service being discontinued??


User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3573 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 13):
Does this also coincide with the COU/JLN service being discontinued??

No, I was using AA Timetable and those routes are still loaded in the scedule. So subtract 5 flights to 193.


User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3512 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 6):
Especially when compared to the likes of US's PIT focus city which YYZ and CUN flights I believe

This is correct!

PIT-YYZ:

4 daily flights-(3 DH8 and a CRJ)

PIT-CUN:

1 weekly flight/Sat. only-(A319)

PIT-SJU:

1 weekly flight/Sun. only-(A319)



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 15):
This is correct!

PIT-YYZ:

4 daily flights-(3 DH8 and a CRJ)

PIT-CUN:

1 weekly flight/Sat. only-(A319)

PIT-SJU:

1 weekly flight/Sun. only-(A319)

US also flies PIT-MBJ. And USA 3000 flies PIT-SXM/CUN/PUJ.

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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 16):
US also flies PIT-MBJ. And USA 3000 flies PIT-SXM/CUN/PUJ.

Best Regards,
MD90fan

PIT-MBJ has been dropped. USA 3000, as far as I know, doesn't fly to SXM.



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 17):
PIT-MBJ has been dropped

It's a seasonal flight, and about the USA 3000 look at the website's route map.



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3292 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 18):
It's a seasonal flight, and about the USA 3000 look at the website's route map.

Yeah it's seasonal and isn't operating right now. As for USA 3000, the only international destinations on the route map are Punta Cana, Aruba, and Cancun! They also show Orlando and Fort Lauderdale, however, from PIT you can only book the following:

PIT-Aruba
PIT-Cancun
PIT-RSW
PIT-Punta Cana
PIT-St. Petersburg



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2073 posts, RR: 36
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

Quoting BDL2STL2PVG (Reply 12):
Does the AA Concourse C even have the capability to support Customs & Immigration anymore? I thought that that area was being renovated and changed the last time I was through Lambert. If they would need to arrive way over near the junction of D and the East Terminal that would make connecting an issue and probably increase the cost.

The PVR and Cancun flights depart and arrive over at the E-30 gates, along with the USA3000, Champion, and other charter flights. I'm sure that the few connecting passengers would be simply thrilled to arrive a couple football fields away from their gate with no people movers. I will be flying to VPS (thru DFW) on the 29th and I will take some pictures of the concourse improvements etc.

A St Louis and AA topic turned into a PIT topic, about normal I guess.


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 19):

Sorry about that CentPIT, I mixed SXM with AUA. You were right, my apologies.

Best Regards,
MD90fan  wave 



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User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 20):
A St Louis and AA topic turned into a PIT topic, about normal I guess

I was thinking the same thing

As far as CUN and PVR goes I think a lot of their return will be determined by the prenegotiated tour packages AA is able/willing to close with the travel agencies. Since F9 is dropping their CUN service till November it does not seem demand from August to Nov is all that heavy. As mentioned above a lot of this is still because of the hurricane damage. I am interested to see if SRQ comes back as a seasonal route as well.


And to further derail this thread, there was some interesting diversions last night because of the storms in STL. Off the top of my head AA 768 LAX to STL was diverted to PIA, DAL to STL diverted to PIA, AE JFK to STL diverted to CMI, CO IAH-STL diverted to MCI just a few I noticed. Also I feel for the folks on AA 1716 LAX-STL normal arrival around 10:30pm got in at 2:00+ AM. I am sure the ground staff were thrilled sticking around till their 2:00AM arrival.--rough traveling last night.

[Edited 2006-06-11 19:31:40]

[Edited 2006-06-11 19:33:12]

User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 21):
Sorry about that CentPIT, I mixed SXM with AUA. You were right, my apologies.

Best Regards,
MD90fan

No problem, I just thought I couldn't see SXM on the map or something. Haha! Welcome to my RR.



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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1371 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 20):
The PVR and Cancun flights depart and arrive over at the E-30 gates, along with the USA3000, Champion, and other charter flights. I'm sure that the few connecting passengers would be simply thrilled to arrive a couple football fields away from their gate with no people movers.

I never understood why they closed down Customs and Immigration in C. It's not the biggest or the best around but it suited AA's needs nicely with 4 or 5 gates compatible for International operations, and could have accomodated the USA3000, Champion, and Frontier flights as well.

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 20):
I will take some pictures of the concourse improvements etc.

I was at STL for the first time in three years this past week but unfortunately did not have any time to walk the concourses. However I did check out A since I was leaving on NW to MEM yesterday and in spite of the new carpet it still looks a bit of a mess, especially the United gates at the western end. They still have the 80's vintage "UNITED" sign on one of the walls in the gate area. They have not done any cosmetic improvements in this area at all.

On an STL related note, runway 11 was getting an extensive workout yesterday (Saturday). I witnessed five arrivals and one departure (UA 737-500). In fact, in the short time I was there all three runways (11, 12R, 12L) were handling arrivals with primary departures on 12L.


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