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United Used To Go To MNL?  
User currently offlineBoeinglover24 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 305 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

I just read on wikipedia and it says under the previous users column on NAIA that United used to go there.....I visit the country a lot so I am interested in this topic....
Can anyone tell me When they left? Why they left? To what destinations they went to? What AC they sent there? and what time of the day were the flights?

Thanks!!

[Edited 2006-06-04 20:53:48]


Uhhh What?
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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Looking back at my old UA route maps, they used to fly to MNL from ICN most likely on a 744. I don't have a date on that map but my guess is the mid 90's. Then on a later route map probably in the mid to late 90's it shows that United Cargo flew from KIX to MNL on the DC10

User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

MNL was part of the PA Pacific Division acquisition - 13 cities in 10 countries as the commercial went. MNL from NRT if I'm not mistaken. ICN wasn't built - it was still Gimpo, ne Kimpo (SEL).

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

They also flew the 747SP on this route (SEL-MNL). We (CO) had six day layovers in MNL and I took UA to SEL a few times. UA crews used to layover at the Sheraton Walker Hill.

Great crews. Great flights.



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User currently offlineIluv747400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

Here's the only photo in the database:


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Photo © Carlos A. Morillo Doria



User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

here's another picture, but i don't know if UA ever served LAX-MNL nonstop as the photographer states.


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Photo © Bill Paulsen



User currently offlineAvatordon From United States of America, joined May 2006, 239 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

When UA initially took over the Pacific routes, the Manila flights were routed over NRT. Later on, for some reason which never made any sense, the route went NRT-ICN-MNL. Seemed a bit excessive. The route was largely an ethnic market w/very little business traffic and cut-throat pricing by PAL. Eventually, UA withdrew. Not sure of the year, but about the time the SPs wnet - maybe around the time the Asian economies hiccuped - the route was ended.

User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

The route was never operated via ICN - ICN wasn't built yet. It was via Kimpo and/or NRT. MNL service stopped in the 90's due to load yields. My understanding was a lot of non-revving was done into MNL which diluted yields...

User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

MNL is a difficult market with USA service from PAL and so many Asian carriers KE,CX,BR,CI,JL, Ticket prices are some of cheapest per mile in the world....

CO and NW can make it work via local and connecting traffic..Guam (CO) Japan (NW)....

BTW Last Monday one Airport Employee shot his boss at the Terminal because he was giving him a "hard time" about his extra activities helping escourting Pax thru Customs off while off duty....

Philippines is a great place however..and Low cost carriers are Rushing in JetstarAsia (MNL) Tiger,CR Airways,AirAsia (Clarkfield, Pampanga)..{Angeles City}, not so far north of Quezon City, Metro Manila on a beautiful new Toll-road, Finally competed when a foreign contractor was allowed to work in the country..


User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1736 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

Quoting Boeinglover24 (Thread starter):
To what destinations they went to?

I flew Manila-Seoul-San Francisco back in 1993.

Quoting Boeinglover24 (Thread starter):
What AC they sent there?

It was a 747-400 for the longest time. I lived in Manila from 1991 to 1996.

Quoting Boeinglover24 (Thread starter):
what time of the day were the flights?

The flight used to arrive from Seoul around 10/11pm. The departure was roughly around 8am.

SR 103


User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 9):
I flew Manila-Seoul-San Francisco back in 1993

Flight 808 or 809, if I'm not mistaken. I was waiting for a flight to LHR (#930) and happened to see a 742 at the old int'l. terminal at SFO that was being boarded for SEL and MNL.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 9):
Quoting Boeinglover24 (Thread starter):
What AC they sent there?

It was a 747-400 for the longest time.

Early on, they used L-10-11's that UA got from PA, and flew those out of NRT. Eventually when the L-10's left, it went to 742, and then as you say, 744.

[Edited 2006-06-10 17:05:59]

User currently offlineBoeinglover24 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 305 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

Thanks Everyone!
Just the info I was looking for  Smile



Uhhh What?
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

Question: If (and hopefully when!!) the new terminal facilities at MNL are finally opened, is there a chance that UA would return to the Philippines? Or does PAL have the U.S. - Philippines market pretty much locked up to itself?


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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

There is Plenty of Space for UA or others at Old MNL ,... New terminal is Built ready to open just in a dispute over payment between Fraport (Germany) and the Philippine Govt..MNL court has ruled infavor of Fraport, but who knows..if it will ever open..any airline seen using the new terminal without Fraport approval will be banned from the EU..so all airlines except Local ones cant use it...Even "Domestic" airlines may have parts not delivered from Europe if Fraport uses thier court order to stop it...(parts delivery from Airbus)

NW serves MNL well from KIX,NGO,NRT...and CO has about 15 flights each week via Guam,Saipan, and Palau with Guam connects HNL-LAX-IAH-EWR (2 stop)


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

Manila is low yield and a pain. Too many ex-patriot Filipinos flying home to visit relatives with ton and tons of baggage and all looking for bargain basement fares. Add to that tons of stand-by Filipino-American United employees flying for free and you have a sure fire money loser.

User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

Yes Heavy bags... Smile CO still honors the 2 pcs 70L limit for MNL only i think rest of the system is 50L max...guess its a deal with the Philippine gov't that CO cant change...fell sorry for those UA non-revs..but during the Low season no problem to get on CO,NW,PR..from NGO or GUM, Just cant fly on the Packed times....

User currently offlineAirAmericaC46 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2099 times:

When UA inherited the Pacific routes from PA, it started flights to MNL via Tokyo and later Osaka with L1011. Later, all flights were via NRT using 747SP and later 742 via Seoul Kimpo, when UA was losing war with Northwest to MNL, it was operating 744 via Seoul.

And finally when UA got lost, Northwest gradually increased flights to MNL to the point that (3) 747-400 were resting overnight in MNL daily each via NRT, KIX and NGO. Then after 9/11, it was curtailed to 2 daily flights via NRT and NGO.

I personally had an experience with UA with 747SP MNL-NRT flight in 1988.


User currently offlineMarkb96815 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

I flew to MNL once on UA in Connoissuer Class back in the early 90s. Outbound was LAX-SFO-SEL-MNL -- connection was through Kimpo Airport as Incheon wasn't opened yet. This was a through flight with the same aircraft - 744. Return flight was MNL-NRT-LAX, with a 742 to NRT and a 744 to LAX.

Although I was very familiar with UAs service to Europe and domestically, it was haphazard at best. Although I had purchased a C class ticket, I was denied entry to all RCCs. The FAs SFO-SEL were incredible -- they got "Going the Extra Mile" certificates -- if anyone remembers those. On the MNL-NRT sector, although I was not an upgrade or award ticket, FA went to everyone else in the upper deck providing them with menus and and taking their drink and meal orders, but only took mine when I asked. Hmppf. On the NRT-LAX sector, upper deck was about 25% full, so FA told me [not asked] that since I was sitting near the rear of the cabin, I had to move forward of the exit so the FAs could use the rear seats. This rudeness made me think I was on a UA flight flying to LHR or CDG!

Anyway, NAIA, at the time was a dreary airport at best.


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