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User currently offlineBOAC911 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 454 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3029 times:
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Several months ago, it was rumored that SAS might start Copenhagen-Miami Stockholm-Miami flights. Is that all it was...just a rumor? I have been trying to fnd the thread here, but have had no luck. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

There was a rumor floating around about SAS being headed to MIA......I only heard CPN-MIA. (SAS launching a new long haul flight from ARN would be shocking news.) I dont think that anything materialized and it was just a rumor......with SAS claiming that it cannot turn a profit on its longhaul network, I think that its unlikely that we will see any new longhaul services launched by SAS. Do note that SAS went as far as saying that they were studying the possibility of dropping longhaul services altogether, so it does sound serious.

SAS has its problems, and seems to have had many issues with its long haul flights over the years.....when SAS flew LAX-CPN, SAS claimed it lost money on the route although the flights went out filled each day, SAS recently said that its not making money on the SEA-CPN route, a route that SAS has flown for years out of a growing city where SAS has a good following and limited competition. It all does not make much sense.

I do not expect to see SAS in MIA in the near term future.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2979 times:

SAS has been talking about serving MIA for ages. I do not expect SAS at MIA soon given their recent problems with long haul profit performance, but I do believe that when SAS looks at expanding their North American network, Miami will definitley be up for strong consideration, along with others such as Toronto and San Francisco.


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User currently offlineBOAC911 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2900 times:
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I think SAS's inter-continental network is not large enough to for an 11 plane fleet. Just IAD, EWR, ORD, and SEA In North America, and BKK, NRT, Shanghai and Peking in Asia. Too small network for that number of long range aircraft.

San Francisco, Toronto, Miami, Hong Kong, Dubai, New Delhi or Bombay would be welcome additions.


User currently offline717SK From Sweden, joined Sep 2001, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

BOAC911 You forgot that ARN EWR and ARN ORD both operates daily.

User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

LH do it for them via FRA.

User currently offlineZbrox From Sweden, joined Jan 2006, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
SAS has its problems, and seems to have had many issues with its long haul flights over the years.....when SAS flew LAX-CPN, SAS claimed it lost money on the route although the flights went out filled each day,

I was told that SAS had a whole bunch of people working in LA at that time. And that the costs for all those people is what made the route so expensive. And since we Scandinavians are so afraid of conflicts, we rather shut down than fire anyone.


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 857 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

Beijing or Peking!!

Which of these to choose? Drives me up the wall (!) when people say Peking and/or Beijing.

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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

Quoting Zbrox (Reply 6):
I was told that SAS had a whole bunch of people working in LA at that time. And that the costs for all those people is what made the route so expensive. And since we Scandinavians are so afraid of conflicts, we rather shut down than fire anyone.

Its true SAS had a rather large (and senior) staff in LA, however by the time the route was dropped SAS had shed most of its staff and was using a handling company for check in.

At the end of the day, while loads were quite high, and cargo demand decent the 767-300 could simply not generate enough revenue to cover the routes cost. Had the A330/A340 fleet been available at the time, things might have played out very differently as the types could generate greater revenues both passenger and cargo wise.

Considering SAS pioneered Europe-West Coast service it was sad to see them leave.



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User currently offlineSk945 From Sweden, joined May 2002, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

The next longhault flight for SAS will be ARN-PEK. It's not official launched yet, but SAS them self talk about it. Hopefully they will start this route in the autumn this year. However, as always. SAS need more A333/A343 to be able to open new routes.

User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

MIA would be crazy considering that SAS complains that their flights are full but they can't make any profit. MIA is 99 % tourist traffic so the yields would be very low.


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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2754 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

SAS main problem is how they can get the pilot productivity up. If they contribute to making SAS a competitive airline, then I would imagine that SAS might open up allot of new intercontinental routes.

Quoting BOAC911 (Reply 3):
I think SAS's inter-continental network is not large enough to for an 11 plane fleet.

SAS has sold their widebody airbuses and leased them back in order to get a good price for them. I would guess if one was no longer needed, SAS could buy them self out of a lease agreement?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2072 times:

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 10):
MIA would be crazy considering that SAS complains that their flights are full but they can't make any profit. MIA is 99 % tourist traffic so the yields would be very low.

99% tourist traffic? Think again. There is a lot of business traffic to MIA, just ask Alitalia, British Airways, Air France, and others who fly their top business class products to Miami rather than thier high-density planes usually reserved for yield routes. If SAS can tap into the very large Miami-Europe business traveler community, as Swiss did when they launched MIA in 1999, then they can do well.

There is little business traffic between Miami and Scandanavia, but a huge amount between Miami and southern Europe, Germany, and the UK.



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