LVZXV From Finland, joined Mar 2004, 1963 posts, RR: 52 Posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1368 times:
Good evening!
LAN Argentina's 1st A320 (LV-BET) took to the skies for the first time on June 3rd, operating the morning flight AEP-COR. A friend of mine passed me this link of the inaugural flight, complete with Soviet-style orchestral music:
An important moment in Argentine aviation history. Bear in mind this is only the second airliner of 21st century-build to operate under the Argentine flag, and the only one at present (the first was a LAPA 737-700, returned in 2002).
"Felicitaciones por la nueva adquisición" < Indeed!
My friend Marcos (Marambio) will follow up with the ATC dialogue...
Marambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1113 posts, RR: 31 Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1353 times:
Quoting LVZXV (Thread starter): My friend Marcos (Marambio) will follow up with the ATC dialogue...
Here it is, sir. First in Spanish, afterwards in English.
Spanish:
Aeroparque Clearance
- Aeroparque, Lan Argentina 4202, buen día.
- Lan 4202 queda autorizado a Córdoba, 260 hasta Córdoba.
Aeroparque Torre
- Buen día 4202, este control lo felicita por la nueva adquisición. Ocupe cabecera y cuando esté listo me avisa para despegar.
- Ocupo y le aviso para el despegue. Muchísimas gracias.
- Está autorizado a proceder posterior al despegue directo a todo y libre ascenso para 260.
- Posterior al despegue, directo a todo y ascenso para 260. Estamos listos para salir.
- Autorizado. El viento está de 220º, 12 nudos.
- Autorizado despegue pista 13, Lan Arg 4202.
Aeroparque Aproximación
- Buen día y felicitaciones de nuevo.
- Buen día y muchísimas gracias.
English:
Aeroparque Clearance
- Aeroparque, Lan Argentina 4202, good morning.
- Lan 4202 you are cleared to Córdoba, FL260 to Córdoba.
Aeroparque Tower
- Good morning 4202, let me congratulate you for your new acquisition. Taxi to and enter the runway. Contact me again when ready for take-off.
- Taxi to and enter the runway, I’ll contact you when ready for take-off. Thank you very much.
- After take-off, you are cleared for climbing nonstop to FL260.
- After take-off, cleared for climbing nonstop to FL260. We’re ready for take-off.
- Cleared for take off. Wind is 220º, 12 knots.
- Cleared for take-off, runway 13, Lan Arg 4202.
Aeroparque Departure
- Good morning, and, again, congratulations.
- Good morning and thank you very much.
Treeny From United Kingdom (England), joined Dec 2005, 317 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1330 times:
Quoting LVZXV (Thread starter): My friend Marcos (Marambio) will follow up with the ATC dialogue...
Hola Marambio como andas?
Che I was wondering how you were able to follow up this thread with text from AEP ATC? Is there somekind of live feed to the tower? If so could you pass the link if poss? Also is there a link as well to EZE?
Shame on you, that's the music by Vangelis for the movie "1492 - Conquest of Paradise" !
Thanks a lot for the link.
By the way, you said 3rd of June, but the video shows the 5 de Mayo...?
Quoting Treeny (Reply 2):
Che I was wondering how you were able to follow up this thread with text from AEP ATC? Is there somekind of live feed to the tower? If so could you pass the link if poss? Also is there a link as well to EZE?
There is a webpage from where you can listen to Aeroparque's ATC online, but it only works every once in a while and, besides, I don't remember the URL right now. I'll try to see if I can find it. EZE I highly doubt there is a live ATC online.
As for my previous post, I just transcribed and translated what is said on the video ZXV posted.
Quoting Breiz (Reply 3): By the way, you said 3rd of June, but the video shows the 5 de Mayo...?
It's a mistake made by the video's editor. On May 5th that bird wasn't even in the country!
PHKLM From Netherlands, joined Dec 2005, 1102 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1214 times:
I flew COR-AEP yesterday, but while waiting in the terminal for the A/C to arrive, I saw a LAN 737-200 landing, and then I knew there was something very wrong. Yes, I ended up in the 737 instead of the A320, I immediately went to the flight deck after boarding and asked for the jumpseat, but guess what, it was taken by a dead-heading pilot of... yes, the LAN A320.
According to him there was no particular reason why the flight was operated by LV-BBO instead of LV-BET, but loads might be a good explanation, although the 737 was 90% full. After arrival on AEP, the 320 was parked at one of the gates, so I saw it at least! Trip report will follow anytime soon, and when I've the chance I'll give it another try and fly AEP-BRC, this time hopefully on the 320!
I talked to the super friendly LAN cabin crew in the back of the plane (in the US I would have been a terrorist) and they were really proud and happy to have the A320 in the fleet!
Lima From Argentina, joined May 1999, 1114 posts, RR: 20 Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1072 times:
PHKLM,
The crews were all friendly?
I flew LAN AEP to Iguazu and back last February. The crews were all very "truttig" in fact, meaning quite unfriendly attitude. One of them was even munching chewing gum at the door looking very pisssed off when receving passengers. That is the only thing I did not like about LAN. Aerolineas was much better onboard.
PHKLM From Netherlands, joined Dec 2005, 1102 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 991 times:
Quoting Lima (Reply 7): Aerolineas was much better onboard.
Lima, pity you had a negative experience with the F/A's. Although the AR F/A's are OK, I was really pleased with the service on board last Sunday.
There are however clear reasons for choosing LAN over AR at the moment.
When booking as a foreigner, one is not able to select the cheapest fares for both airlines. However, LAN enables you to book, pay and check-in online, you only need a (free) LANPASS, for which you can obviously apply online. AR allows you to book online, you get an Amadeus reservation code, with this code you need to go to one of their offices and pay for the flight, then you get a paper ticket, and with this ticket you can then check-in online.
I can also fully confirm that LAN now allows LANPASS accumulation on LAN Argentina flights, so although they are not part of 1W, you still collect miles.
Inflight, LAN provides its nice IN-LAN flight magazine, with all texts available in English. The AR sandwich is really incredibly bad, whereas LAN serves a decent sandwich with lettuce on a panini rather than the rubbish AR toast. LAN includes a chocolate cake "postre". With regards to drinks, LAN offers free drinks, including beer and red and white wine. Besides the beverage of your choice they serve a glass of water. When ordering a beer you get a full 33ml tin of Quilmes, quite generous I'd say.
For me LAN really stands out on the Argentinian domestic service, especially if they DO operate their A320
SABE From Argentina, joined Jun 2005, 156 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 978 times:
Congrats to 4M on the new bird! I've flown them several times to/from SCL-EZE and they're pretty nice.
Marambio, I believe ATC says "cleared direct ATOVO" which is one of the waypoints on the SID for runway 13/31. Sorry for the "nerdy" correction but since this is A.net...
OB1504 From United States, joined Jul 2004, 2269 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 964 times:
Quoting SABE (Reply 9): Marambio, I believe ATC says "cleared direct ATOVO" which is one of the waypoints on the SID for runway 13/31.
I had a copy of the chart for the departure on my computer somewhere, but it's not where I thought it'd be.
If memory serves me correct, one or two of Lan Argentina's A320s will be transferred from Lan Peru, who will in turn receive A319s from either Lan Chile or new from Airbus.
MD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 2829 posts, RR: 64 Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 939 times:
Quoting SABE (Reply 9): I've flown them several times to/from SCL-EZE and they're pretty nice.
No, you've flown LAN Chile. LAN Argentina does not fly to any International destinations, yet.
Quoting SABE (Reply 9): Marambio, I believe ATC says "cleared direct ATOVO" which is one of the waypoints on the SID for runway 13/31. Sorry for the "nerdy" correction but since this is A.net...
Actually, ATOVO6B is AEP/EZE's most used SID for NE and North departures.
Quoting Breiz (Reply 3): Shame on you, that's the music by Vangelis for the movie "1492 - Conquest of Paradise" !
Really ZXV, shame on you! You insulted my favorite artist! And you have that CD at home!!
Good for LAN Argentina, a shame that the flight was delayed for 50 minutes, and as soon as it landed it went directly into the hangar. Pittyful, isn't?
Cheers!
Gastón - The MD11junkie
There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
PHKLM From Netherlands, joined Dec 2005, 1102 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 882 times:
Another question for the Argentinians here, at COR I saw two SouthernWinds birds parked at the ramp. It was at night and I couldn't see them very well as the airport windows were reflecting the light from within, but I am sure they were painted in the SouthernWinds C/S. Are these 732's and aren't they usable for AR or LAN Argentina?
@SABE: 4M might be the correct code, but it appears nowhere, e.g. my flight was shown in the airport as LA4211, my luggage was ticketed LA and on the boarding pass it just said "LA4211 - Operated by LAN Argentina"
The pilot said correctly "Welcome on this LAN Argentina flight 4211 to Aeroparque Jorge Newbery" (the latter being a great name for an airport, when pronounced correctly in Spanish )
SABE From Argentina, joined Jun 2005, 156 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 854 times:
Hola Gaston,
Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 11): No, you've flown LAN Chile. LAN Argentina does not fly to any International destinations, yet.
What I meant is "I've flown the A320 several times SCL-EZE"... sorry for the confusion.
Quoting PHKLM (Reply 12): @SABE: 4M might be the correct code, but it appears nowhere
I've seen that code (4M) used here in previous discussions, I don't know why they don't use it on the flights themselves. Maybe somebody can enlighten us.
Pdpsol From United States, joined Feb 2004, 811 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 830 times:
Fabulous news for LAN Argentina! It appears 4M and its parent company, LA, are finally meeting [some] of their promises for the Argentine market.
Now, for the BIG question everyone has been asking: when will 4M receive the LV-registered 767-316ER's to operate the EZE-MIA daily flight?
Also, I read yesterday both LP and LAN Ecuador plan to join as full-fledged members of the oneWorld alliance. Apparently, AA was BLOCKING LA's attempt to include its affiliates in the alliance [bizarre].
Does anyone know whether 4M will eventually join the oneWorld alliance as well.
Lima From Argentina, joined May 1999, 1114 posts, RR: 20 Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 806 times:
PHKLM
Check this site for many great pictures taken at Cordoba (from 737s to A340 of Iberia or 747 from British arriving as alternatives), of course including the parked SW aircraft:
Marambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1113 posts, RR: 31 Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 776 times:
Good afternoon gentlemen,
Quoting SABE (Reply 9):
Marambio, I believe ATC says "cleared direct ATOVO" which is one of the waypoints on the SID for runway 13/31. Sorry for the "nerdy" correction but since this is A.net... Smile
Yup, you're right. "Autorizado directo ATOVO." Shame on me. Thanks for the correction!
Quoting PHKLM (Reply 12): Another question for the Argentinians here, at COR I saw two SouthernWinds birds parked at the ramp. It was at night and I couldn't see them very well as the airport windows were reflecting the light from within, but I am sure they were painted in the SouthernWinds C/S. Are these 732's and aren't they usable for AR or LAN Argentina?
You have a good eye, sir! Indeed you saw two 732s at the ramp, formerly operating with Southern Winds. Since they have very few cycles left, it would be really unwise for both Lan Argentina and Aerolíneas to start using them. Besides, Argentina is about to become a Stage III country and all 732s must be withdrawn before 2010 - hence the 735s and A320s arriving now.
Quoting PHKLM (Reply 12): @SABE: 4M might be the correct code, but it appears nowhere, e.g. my flight was shown in the airport as LA4211, my luggage was ticketed LA and on the boarding pass it just said "LA4211 - Operated by LAN Argentina"
The pilot said correctly "Welcome on this LAN Argentina flight 4211 to Aeroparque Jorge Newbery" (the latter being a great name for an airport, when pronounced correctly in Spanish Big grin)
Lan Argentina's code is 4M, which was inherited from short-lived Lan Dominicana. Why they don't use it? Beats me.
Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 14):
Now, for the BIG question everyone has been asking: when will 4M receive the LV-registered 767-316ER's to operate the EZE-MIA daily flight?
I have heard they want to start EZE-MIA before the end of this month, but I don't see it coming. The 767s are nowhere to be seen, and they still have to register them!
After their unforgettable gaffe last December (when they started selling tickets to MIA and had to re-route all their pax via SCL or nonstop with AA), they have been really cautious with ads and information for the new routes and planes.
Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 14):
Also, I read yesterday both LP and LAN Ecuador plan to join as full-fledged members of the oneWorld alliance. Apparently, AA was BLOCKING LA's attempt to include its affiliates in the alliance [bizarre].
AA never ceases to amaze me. Why would they block Lan Argentina's entrance to Oneworld, if 4M means adding more (codeshared) destinations to their routemap? In fact, I have seen some Iberia buses at EZE waiting for passengers coming from Spain, so that they could catch Lan Argentina's flights at AEP.
PHKLM From Netherlands, joined Dec 2005, 1102 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 742 times:
Quoting Marambio (Reply 16): Argentina is about to become a Stage III country and all 732s must be withdrawn before 2010 - hence the 735s and A320s arriving now.
That's about time, the 732's are really incredibly noisy. Not only in the A/C itself, but most notably on the ground.
Thanks for explaining the SoutherWinds birds, was surprised to see an office of them in BA, still equipped with computers etc; strange. Thanks even more for the website, nice pics! Amazed to see 744's at COR, never imagined this was possible. They sure have a nice and brand new terminal, I was really pleasantly surprised by the airport.
Quoting Marambio (Reply 16): Why would they block Lan Argentina's entrance to Oneworld, if 4M means adding more (codeshared) destinations to their routemap?
My guess is they will wait until LAN Argentina operates a mix of A319/A320's so they meet the 1W quality standards and operations run a bit smoother then they used to do.
LVZXV From Finland, joined Mar 2004, 1963 posts, RR: 52 Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 578 times:
Quoting Breiz (Reply 3): Shame on you, that's the music by Vangelis for the movie "1492 - Conquest of Paradise" !
Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 11): Really ZXV, shame on you! You insulted my favorite artist! And you have that CD at home!!
I know, I know, shame on me, I will start whipping my shoulders at once and say 1,000 Hail Marys!
Quoting PHKLM (Reply 12): Another question for the Argentinians here, at COR I saw two SouthernWinds birds parked at the ramp. It was at night and I couldn't see them very well as the airport windows were reflecting the light from within, but I am sure they were painted in the SouthernWinds C/S. Are these 732's and aren't they usable for AR or LAN Argentina?
There are in fact three in Córdoba--30-year-olds LV-ZZA and ZZC on the tarmac (one minus an engine) and 25-year-old ex-Lapa LV-YGB sitting in the hangar (with its tail protruding). I very much doubt the former two had many cycles remaining in the first place, as Marambio said, and well, YGB could have soldiered on but as with most aircraft of "a certain age", once you leave them idle for a while it is no longer cost-effective to clear the cob-webs and get them back into service. Southern Winds were quick off the mark to place some of Lapa's back into service less than six months after Lapa collapsed. Four of Lapa's five 732s were potentially airworthy (the 5th had wingspar corrosion), but--and this goes to show what happens when you don't mothball an aircraft--one of them was rejected in situ because after its last flight in April 2003, all the aircraft systems were shut down and doors sealed by the aeronautical police--with the food still in the galleys. When its doors were opened a few months later, the plane had quite literally rotten through...
Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 14): Now, for the BIG question everyone has been asking: when will 4M receive the LV-registered 767-316ER's to operate the EZE-MIA daily flight?
I think the -316ERs will remain in Chile, as these are the ones ordered directly from Boeing. I could be wrong, but I expect LA will transfer one or two of their leased birds to 4M.
Quoting Marambio (Reply 16): AA never ceases to amaze me. Why would they block Lan Argentina's entrance to Oneworld, if 4M means adding more (codeshared) destinations to their routemap? In fact, I have seen some Iberia buses at EZE waiting for passengers coming from Spain, so that they could catch Lan Argentina's flights at AEP.
Arcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2308 posts, RR: 33 Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 491 times:
Quoting LVZXV (Reply 20): I think the -316ERs will remain in Chile, as these are the ones ordered directly from Boeing. I could be wrong, but I expect LA will transfer one or two of their leased birds to 4M.
It would be nice that LA transfers CC-CML, former LAPA (LV-ZPL) and Souther Winds (TF-ARA), for that 763 to fly again under Argentina's flag. Although, the in cabin "furniture" of that aircraft is horrible: no ptvs, no headrest, no first...
OB1504 From United States, joined Jul 2004, 2269 posts, RR: 10 Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 446 times:
Quoting LVZXV (Reply 20): I know there is a second one tranfered from Souther Winds, CC-CEN
CC-CEN lacks the PTVs and first class as well. No worries for me when I flew on her, since it was the red-eye MIA-LIM flight, so the audio channels were enough for me, and I was in Economy.
Good evening Maximo and 10x for this amazing movie.The last time i flew from AEP was with Austral MD-80 to Iguazu"que nostalgia".Good luck LAN Argentina!
Alex!!!
Arcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2308 posts, RR: 33 Reply 25, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 373 times:
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 23): Quoting LVZXV (Reply 20):
I know there is a second one tranfered from Souther Winds, CC-CEN
I posted that, not ZXV!
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 23): CC-CEN lacks the PTVs and first class as well. No worries for me when I flew on her, since it was the red-eye MIA-LIM flight, so the audio channels were enough for me, and I was in Economy
I flew from JKF last march in CEN, and my seat plug was out of order... since business was full from LIM to SCL, I couldn't use my upgrades. Aweful flight... well, not really, I slept most of the time...
Quoting SABE (Reply 22): So, LAN wouldn't refurbish the interior of that aircraft (and similar second-hand ones that they acquire) to match the rest of their fleet?
LAN is refurnishing, CEN and CML included. There is other thread about the new 763 interior, it's gorgeous...
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