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National '76 And Hughes Airwest '78 Timetables  
User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5010 posts, RR: 21
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

I appreciate those ANet members who answer my questions when they get some old timetables so I am returning the favor.

I found, buried in a drawer, a National Airlines timetable dated November 15, 1976 and a Hughes Airwest timetable dated September 6, 1978.

If anyone has any city-specific requests I'll do my best to answer them.

OzarkD9S


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User currently offlineB741 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 716 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

Okay here goes: AirWest from Bay Area airports to L.A. basin airports.

Thanks!



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User currently offlineAirAmericaC46 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

Hello OzarkD9S:

Kindly tell me all the schedules/routings of National 747.

Thanks.


User currently offlineOrbis From Mexico, joined Dec 2003, 244 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3262 times:

I enjoyed very much the sight of the flying bananas down here at GDL back in the 70's. Any info regarding GDL would be much appreciated.

fc



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

Any IND or SEA flights?


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User currently offlineSspontak From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

I recall going on a one day school trip in the 6th grade in June, 1976 from
JFK-DCA. It was a morning flight on a National 727 with a morining snack. The return,DCA-JFK left late in the afternoon, also on a 727. Do you have an approximate schedule. I know your schedule is from Nov-1976, but back then they probably did not change schedules so often as they do now. Thanks.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

The timetable for Hughes Air West would have been right before deregulation - what flights did they offer to/from BFL and SAN? I believe that would have right before pulling out of BFL lock, stock, and barrel.


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5010 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

Quoting B741 (Reply 1):


AirWest from Bay Area airports to L.A. basin airports.

SFO-LAX: 3 nonstops, 2 1-stops (via Monterrey). That's it. No other nonstop or direct service from the Bay to the Basin.

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 2):


Kindly tell me all the schedules/routings of National 747.

No 747's in the National fleet at this time. 727 and DC-10.

Quoting Orbis (Reply 3):


Any info regarding GDL would be much appreciated.

There was 1 daily service on Hughes Airwest out of GDL. A fun flight though...what aviation enthusiast wouldn't have loved to take this direct routing: GDL-PVR-PHX-SJC-SFO-SMF-EUG-PDX-SEA. Flight #4 departed GDL at 3:35pm and arrived in SEA at 1:08pm.

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 4):


Any IND or SEA flights?

No IND flights. Hughes had a healthy SEA operation though. I'll list the nonstops but bare in mind as a local service carrier, those flights hopscotched all over the Western US, so many other cities had direct service from SEA.

Boise x 2 daily
Pasco x 1
Portland x 4
Reno x 2
Salt Lake City x 2
Spokane x 7
Yakima x 5

Quoting Sspontak (Reply 5):


Do you have an approximate schedule.

National had the following schedules DCA-JFK:

dep DCA 10:10am arr JFK 11:05am
dep DCA 12:05pm arr JFK 1:00pm
dep DCA 5:10pm arr JFK 6:05pm
dep DCA 7:05pm arr JFK 7:58pm
dep DCA 7:35pm arr JFK 9:21pm (via PHL)
dep DCA 9:15pm arr JFK 10:10pm
dep DCA 9:20pm arr JFK 11:04pm (via BWI)

and the following schedules JFK-DCA:

dep JFK 7:10am arr DCA 8:57am (via BWI)
dep JFK 7:55am arr DCA 8:53am
dep JFK 9:20am arr DCA 10:18am
dep JFK 12:10pm arr DCA 1:08pm
dep JFK 4:05pm arr DCA 5:03pm
dep JFK 7:05pm arr DCA 8:03pm
dep JFK 8:30pm arr DCA 9:28pm

Enjoy!
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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5010 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 6):


what flights did they offer to/from BFL and SAN?

BFL: 1 daily flight to Eugene via Santa Barbara and San Francisco and 1 daily nonstop to LAS.

SAN: 4 nonstops to LAX, 1 nonstop to TUS.

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User currently offlineGlobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 925 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

Hi... I seem to have seen a route map for NA offering nonstop D8S service on the ATL-SFO route. Was this during the time our your timetable? I am surpised we never really had NA in ATL? Guess that EA/SO/PI/DL were too powerful. Oh the glory days of the 70s/80s! I do remember seeing a Hughes Airwest D9S land in ATL after the merger with RC. It was so cool seeing the yellow plane in the South!


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5010 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3167 times:

Quoting Globalflyer (Reply 9):


NA offering nonstop D8S service on the ATL-SFO route.

The DC-8's were gone by this point. The route was still operated by the 727 on Saturday and Sunday only. Actually was routed SJC-SFO-ATL-SFO-SJC. It was one of those "use it or lose it" route authorities from the regulated days.



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User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 848 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3153 times:

After my move down here to CRP, much of my stuff is in storage. I look forward to getting a footlocker back out that is full of old flight sched's. I know for a fact I have an old RW,NC and SO (pre merger) scheduals. Along with a tonne of others, an absolute treasure trove to be sure.


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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3130 times:
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Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 7):
SFO-LAX: 3 nonstops, 2 1-stops (via Monterrey). That's

That is quite a bit out of the way. Now if you mean Monterey, that's different.  

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 7):
Flight #4 departed GDL at 3:35pm and arrived in SEA at 1:08pm.

Don't you mean 1:08am? I doubt it took 20+ hours.

Now, what cities and how many flights nonstop from Boise on RW? All DC-9s by then (from BOI), weren't they?

[Edited 2006-06-06 18:57:59]


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5010 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 12):


That is quite a bit out of the way. Now if you mean Monterey, that's different.



yes...whoops!

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 12):


Don't you mean 1:08am? I doubt it took 20+ hours.

yes, whoops again! And I apologize for any future mistakes, though I might point out I'm doing this out of the kindness of my heart, not for a grade or a paycheck...now, on to your request.

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 12):


Now, what cities and how many flights nonstop from Boise on RW?

Idaho Falls x 2
Las Vegas x 1
Lewiston x 2
Pocatello x 1
Portland x 3
Salt Lake City x 2
Seattle x 2
Spokane x 2
Twin Falls x 1

Unfortunately, the timetable does not specify what aircraft operate any particular flight.

OzarkD9S



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User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

National from Miami and Fort Lauderdale (I believe national always listed the city as Miami/Fort Lauderdale in the timetable and designated FLL flights with a little F next to the departure time)

National from all three NYC airports.


Thanks!


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3092 times:

What planes were on the SEA-Yakima service??


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5010 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 15):


What planes were on the SEA-Yakima service??

The timetable doesn't list aircraft type.

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 14):


National from Miami and Fort Lauderdale (I believe national always listed the city as Miami/Fort Lauderdale in the timetable and designated FLL flights with a little F next to the departure time)

National from all three NYC airports.

Tall order, so I'll shorthand if that's ok. Nonstops and daily frequencies.

FLL:

IAH x 1
LGA x 3
EWR x 2
JFK x 4
Connections list MIA as well, but the number of nonstops is not listed.

MIA:

FMY: x 2
IAH x 2
JAX x 3
LHR x 1
LAX x 2
MLB x 1
MSY x 3
LGA x 4
EWR x 2
JFK x 4
MCO x 1
SFO x 1
SRQ x 1
TPA x 3
DCA x 4
PBI x 5

Again, there are flights to FLL, but are not listed.

LGA:

FLL x 4
MIA x 5
MCO x 1
PVD x 1
PBI x 1

EWR:

JAX x 1
FLL x 3
MIA x 4
MCO x 1
PHL x 1

JFK:

BOS x 1
CHS x 1
JAX x 1
FLL x 3
MIA x 5
ORF x 1
MCO x 1
PHL x 2
PVD x 1
SRQ x 1
TPA x 3
DCA x 7
PBI x 3

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User currently offlinePlaneloco From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

I remember in 1972 my dad booked my mom and me on an all day NA 727 trip from DCA to MOB (via ORF - CHS and/or SAV - JAX - TPA and possibly even PNS) to save a couple of bucks. A very annoyed Mom paid the extra $$ for us to return to IAD on SO. Was NA still flying that route in 1974?

[Edited 2006-06-06 21:04:10]

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5010 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

Quoting Planeloco (Reply 17):


Was NA still flying that route by then?

There isn't a connection listed for DCA-MOB. However:

DCA-ORF-CHS-JAX dep DCA 10:45am arr JAX 1:53pm. JAX-TLH-PFN-PNS, USA - Florida">TLH-MOB dep JAX 2:30pm arr MOB 4:42pm.

The timetable is from 11/15/76 so the routing may have changed slightly, but that's what I came up with.

OzarkD9S

[Edited 2006-06-06 21:15:54]


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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2954 times:
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Thank you. I still have fond memories of seeing RW planes. Only ever got to fly them once, though.


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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2928 times:

NA from MSY when you get a minute.....Thanks much.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5010 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 20):


NA from MSY when you get a minute.....Thanks much.

No problem Tom:

IAH x 8 (2 DC-10)
JAX x 1 + 1 4-stop
LAS x 1 (DC-10)
LAX x 2 (2 DC-10) + 2 1-stops
MIA x 3 (1 DC-10) + 2 1-stops + 1 2-stop
MOB x 3
SFO x 1 (DC-10) + 2 1-stops and 2 2-stops
TPA x 4 (3 DC-10) + 1 1-stop

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User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 16):
Tall order, so I'll shorthand if that's ok. Nonstops and daily frequencies.

Thanks!


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