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Delta Airlines First Flight To Kiev  
User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 14
Posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10598 times:

It happened yesterday (June 5th). Does anyone know how it went? I can't wait to see any pictures, I sure hope there was someone to take some.


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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10591 times:
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Actually the first flight was on Friday June 1st. I wasn't there but the load was pretty good. It looks like a moneymaker,


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User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10580 times:

Oh I thought it was the 5th. Anyway here is an article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/06/business/worldbusiness/06road.html



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10540 times:
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DL88
SKD6/1/06 1740
ACD6/1/06 1739
SKA6/2/06 1025
ACA6/2/06 1102
Ship 1702 76L

That's one of the 76's with the new IFE (song-style) system.



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User currently offlineDL4EVR From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10390 times:

I know this isn't of the utmost importance...but it's Delta Air Lines not Delta Airlines!


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User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10378 times:

Quoting DL4EVR (Reply 4):
but it's Delta Air Lines not Delta Airlines!

Actually it's just Delta these days, the 'Airlines" part was removed from the name a year or two back.


User currently offlineDL4EVR From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10348 times:

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 5):
Actually it's just Delta these days, the 'Airlines" part was removed from the name a year or two back.

Um...well even though it's referred to as Delta...it's still "Delta Air Lines, Inc."
The "Air Lines" was removed from the logo in 2000.



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User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10309 times:

Quoting DL4EVR (Reply 6):
Um...well even though it's referred to as Delta...it's still "Delta Air Lines, Inc."
The "Air Lines" was removed from the logo in 2000.

Yes, Delta was just removed from the mainline logo. However, if you see Song aircraft, the sticker next to the boarding door says, "Operated by Delta Air Lines."

The company will never change to just Delta. You don't see Carnival Cruiseline just changing their name to Carnival. You don't see Greyhound Buslines changing their name to Greyhound. You need to let it be known what product you offer.



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User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1539 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10285 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 1):
Actually the first flight was on Friday June 1st. I wasn't there but the load was pretty good. It looks like a moneymaker,

Just because the flight went out full, doesn't make it a money maker.


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10266 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 7):
Yes, Delta was just removed from the mainline logo.

So the airline doesn't have a name anymore... just the widget?

 Wink



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4914 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10251 times:
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Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
What is this he is talking about?

DL's refreshed BusinessElite product - improved seat, AVOD IFE, new meals - is gradually being rolled out on the 763ER fleet. The JFK-KBP flight got one of the three 763ERs outfitted with the revamped Business product. An additional 8 will be converted by the end of June.

Does anyone know whether these 763ERs with the new BE set-up are being targeted for specific routes or are they just used randomly all over the system and for inaugurals?


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10233 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 11):
DL's refreshed BusinessElite product - improved seat, AVOD IFE, new meals - is gradually being rolled out on the 763ER fleet. The JFK-KBP flight got one of the three 763ERs outfitted with the revamped Business product. An additional 8 will be converted by the end of June.

Are they refurbishing them in ATL?

Quoting Panamair (Reply 11):
Does anyone know whether these 763ERs with the new BE set-up are being targeted for specific routes or are they just used randomly all over the system and for inaugurals?

I was wondering the same thing.


User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10175 times:
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Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 8):
Just because the flight went out full, doesn't make it a money maker.

True. But as an international, trans-atlantic flight with basically no competition --- if the loads are good it should definitely be a money maker. (and if it isn't, DL should be firing people in revenue management...it's not like this is JFK-FLL where losing money on full flights is the norm)


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10152 times:

Quoting Dartland (Reply 13):
...it's not like this is JFK-FLL where losing money on full flights is the norm)

Then why does DL continue to operate 4 or 5 757s a day on this run...Even after Song is gone?


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10125 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 14):
Then why does DL continue to operate 4 or 5 757s a day on this run...Even after Song is gone?

It's part of having a complete network and a presence in the NY market. In theory at least, NY-based frequent flyers will stay loyal to DL for business trips and trips on the real moneymaking flights (e.g., Europe) if they know they can also count on DL to get them to FLL or LAS on vacation.

There is also connecting traffic--those FLL flights feed people onto the more profitable international flights.



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User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10108 times:
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Quoting RJpieces (Reply 13):
Then why does DL continue to operate 4 or 5 757s a day on this run...Even after Song is gone?

Because planes being used are better than planes not being used. Because they need the people on those planes to connect to profitable routes. Because they earn and maintain loyalty from many overall highly profitable customers by flying those routes. Because during peak travel periods they can make money on those routes. Etc. Etc. Etc.

All I'm saying is that on highly competitive routes, you often seen flights that lose money on an absolute route by route basis (note that doesn't mean the airline should stop flying them, as they contribute revenue to the rest of the system and may be profitable on a purely variable basis).

My point in this thread is that on routes that have little competition and are international, revenue premiums should be high enough for an airline to make money on an absolute basis so long as loads are high, as RM would price the flight to make money since they are not fare matching to maintain share like they would do in highly competitive market.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10097 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 14):
It's part of having a complete network and a presence in the NY market. In theory at least, NY-based frequent flyers will stay loyal to DL for business trips and trips on the real moneymaking flights (e.g., Europe) if they know they can also count on DL to get them to FLL or LAS on vacation.

I guess that makes sense. But are frequent fliers really throwing down serious miles for free tickets on flight that are ~$69 each way?!

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 14):
There is also connecting traffic--those FLL flights feed people onto the more profitable international flights.

5 757s a day instead of an RJ like MIA gets?!


User currently offlineAirMailer From United States of America, joined May 2006, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10097 times:

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 5):
Actually it's just Delta these days, the 'Airlines" part was removed from the name a year or two back.

According to the FAA:

DELTA AIR LINES INC

Operator is doing business as
1. DELTA
2. DELTA AIR LINES
3. DELTA AIR LINES, INC.
4. DELTA EXPRESS
5. DELTA SHUTTLE
6. SONG


User currently offlineAirMailer From United States of America, joined May 2006, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10097 times:

Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 8):
Just because the flight went out full, doesn't make it a money maker.

This was a DL flight, not B6.
(just referring to pax revenue)


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10024 times:

Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 8):
Just because the flight went out full, doesn't make it a money maker.

Of course not, but according to people at DL loads are great and the fares are very high, which in most cases does mean it's a money maker. Being the only carrier on a route with a great demand is a good thing.

Jeremy


User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10001 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 19):
Being the only carrier on a route with a great demand is a good thing.

Actually AeroSvit also flies the route.


User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9972 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 10):
DL's refreshed BusinessElite product - improved seat, AVOD IFE, new meals - is gradually being rolled out on the 763ER fleet. The JFK-KBP flight got one of the three 763ERs outfitted with the revamped Business product. An additional 8 will be converted by the end of June.

Anybody see the TOC ramp at ATL lately? Somebody should snap a pic of it....its very full with 763's and Song 757's (as of Sunday 6/4 anyway).


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9925 times:

Quoting Airzim (Reply 20):
Actually AeroSvit also flies the route.

And that twice weekly, which is sure to be very attractive to business travellers  Wink .


User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9914 times:

DL is still not the ONLY carrier to fly the route! What's your point?

User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9899 times:

Quoting B777ER (Reply 21):
Anybody see the TOC ramp at ATL lately? Somebody should snap a pic of it....its very full with 763's and Song 757's (as of Sunday 6/4 anyway).

Isn't it usually? Or are they trying to refurbish many at once?


25 SESGDL : In America anyway, passengers are going to be more willing to fly Delta than AeroSvit. Also for government, government officials flying to the Ukrain
26 Ba757gla : what routing will this flight take to kiev , over scotland perhaps?
27 Aeroflot777 : I'm glad to hear the flight went well. I'll probably take this flight a few times in the future to visit family in Kiev. Believe me, this flight will
28 Ba757gla : is the aircraft a 767 or 777?
29 Positiverate : I would guess it depends on where the NAT's are that day, and a whole host of things especially including winds aloft and such.
30 UN_B732 : Does anyone have exact load info? Were they able to get a jetway at KBP? Any other updates? The 767 has song IFE in Y? Congratulations to Delta, and g
31 Airzim : Do you work for Fox News? Nice attempt to spin reality to suit your own agenda. You said no one else flies the route. I pointed out that isn't true.
32 Evan767 : As a matter of fact I know exactly what your talking about. I was there on Sunday 6/4 flying CMH-ATL-RIC and you're right I saw multiple 757's and 76
33 Post contains links Evan767 : Yet another interesting note: http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/06/0...business/worldbusiness/06road.html
34 DL4EVR : Only 25% of the people sitting on J are on full fare tickets? I know that's true domestically...but I thought int'l was more like 75%...
35 Panamair : That's the real full fare (in J inventory) they are talking about. There are others who pay Business Class fares but at the discounted level (i.e., D
36 UN_B732 : Even if they're paying D, it's still $2800 + -Mr. X
37 Post contains links Jakbar : Two of us were out there at JFK for the inaugural flight. Check out http://www.pbase.com/joshandbrian/deltasong061006jfk . We don't have any pictures
38 Sushka : Very cool pictures thanks. I would love to see it on the ground in Borispol too. Im sure the flight will be succesful. My trips to Kiev have been thro
39 Post contains images UN_B732 : I'm wondering if they got a jetway at KBP. As you know, they only have two I've flown through Amsterdam, Zurich, Vienna, and non-stop to Kiev from NYC
40 Jetdeltamsy : The flight was most likely full of press and dignitaries flying for no charge. No way on Earth tell to judge any route's viability based on first day
41 Airplane : And dont forget DL is starting service on 8JUN to UIO and GYE ! Daily with a 757 FLT INFO 195/08JUN- 9JUN LOF ARR DEP ETA ON IN ETD OUT OFF SHP ELPD A
42 RwSEA : I think that this was one of the holdups to getting final clearance to the flight, but I'm assuming it's been taken care of now that the flight has s
43 Post contains images Airportmanager : With the latest weather were getting here these apst few days in UIO...., lets hope they make it in for their inagural flight ! Id wouldnt mind to se
44 Post contains links Sushka : Pictures from Kiev sent to me by someone. I wish I was there, hope to be soon! http://www.aviation.com.ua/forum/vie...&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=
45 Positiverate : They did. That's what caused the delay to June 1.
46 RJpieces : Nice pics....Any idea whose those dignitaries are? Do Delta executives fly out for the opening of every new international route?
47 Panamair : Nice pics, thanks. Looks like they got the jetway. Not on every one, probably just the 'important' or auspicious ones. COO Jim Whitehurst was on hand
48 RJpieces : Do you by any chance know who was there for ATL-ATH?
49 ArtieFufkin : I wonder if the flight will pick up business from Odessa and/or Moldova?
50 Panamair : Sorry, no idea. ATL-ATH may not have had the big shots considering that ATH is not a new destination and ATL-ATH is just a seasonal route.
51 Sushka : I would think Odesa yes, all heading to the US just transferring through Kiev.
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