OttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5157 times:
Quoting DL4EVR (Reply 6): Um...well even though it's referred to as Delta...it's still "Delta Air Lines, Inc."
The "Air Lines" was removed from the logo in 2000.
Yes, Delta was just removed from the mainline logo. However, if you see Song aircraft, the sticker next to the boarding door says, "Operated by Delta Air Lines."
The company will never change to just Delta. You don't see Carnival Cruiseline just changing their name to Carnival. You don't see Greyhound Buslines changing their name to Greyhound. You need to let it be known what product you offer.
Ramprat74 From United States, joined Dec 2003, 1098 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5133 times:
Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 1): Actually the first flight was on Friday June 1st. I wasn't there but the load was pretty good. It looks like a moneymaker,
Just because the flight went out full, doesn't make it a money maker.
TWFirst From Vatican City State (Holy See), joined Apr 2000, 5992 posts, RR: 50 Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5114 times:
Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 7): Yes, Delta was just removed from the mainline logo.
So the airline doesn't have a name anymore... just the widget?
Panamair From United States, joined Oct 2001, 3056 posts, RR: 16 Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5099 times:
Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9): What is this he is talking about?
DL's refreshed BusinessElite product - improved seat, AVOD IFE, new meals - is gradually being rolled out on the 763ER fleet. The JFK-KBP flight got one of the three 763ERs outfitted with the revamped Business product. An additional 8 will be converted by the end of June.
Does anyone know whether these 763ERs with the new BE set-up are being targeted for specific routes or are they just used randomly all over the system and for inaugurals?
RJpieces From United States, joined Nov 2003, 6899 posts, RR: 50 Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5081 times:
Quoting Panamair (Reply 11): DL's refreshed BusinessElite product - improved seat, AVOD IFE, new meals - is gradually being rolled out on the 763ER fleet. The JFK-KBP flight got one of the three 763ERs outfitted with the revamped Business product. An additional 8 will be converted by the end of June.
Are they refurbishing them in ATL?
Quoting Panamair (Reply 11): Does anyone know whether these 763ERs with the new BE set-up are being targeted for specific routes or are they just used randomly all over the system and for inaugurals?
I was wondering the same thing.
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Dartland From United States, joined Apr 2005, 481 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5023 times:
Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 8): Just because the flight went out full, doesn't make it a money maker.
True. But as an international, trans-atlantic flight with basically no competition --- if the loads are good it should definitely be a money maker. (and if it isn't, DL should be firing people in revenue management...it's not like this is JFK-FLL where losing money on full flights is the norm)
FoxBravo From United States, joined Nov 2003, 2514 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4973 times:
Quoting RJpieces (Reply 14): Then why does DL continue to operate 4 or 5 757s a day on this run...Even after Song is gone?
It's part of having a complete network and a presence in the NY market. In theory at least, NY-based frequent flyers will stay loyal to DL for business trips and trips on the real moneymaking flights (e.g., Europe) if they know they can also count on DL to get them to FLL or LAS on vacation.
There is also connecting traffic--those FLL flights feed people onto the more profitable international flights.
Dartland From United States, joined Apr 2005, 481 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4956 times:
Quoting RJpieces (Reply 13): Then why does DL continue to operate 4 or 5 757s a day on this run...Even after Song is gone?
Because planes being used are better than planes not being used. Because they need the people on those planes to connect to profitable routes. Because they earn and maintain loyalty from many overall highly profitable customers by flying those routes. Because during peak travel periods they can make money on those routes. Etc. Etc. Etc.
All I'm saying is that on highly competitive routes, you often seen flights that lose money on an absolute route by route basis (note that doesn't mean the airline should stop flying them, as they contribute revenue to the rest of the system and may be profitable on a purely variable basis).
My point in this thread is that on routes that have little competition and are international, revenue premiums should be high enough for an airline to make money on an absolute basis so long as loads are high, as RM would price the flight to make money since they are not fare matching to maintain share like they would do in highly competitive market.
RJpieces From United States, joined Nov 2003, 6899 posts, RR: 50 Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4945 times:
Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 14): It's part of having a complete network and a presence in the NY market. In theory at least, NY-based frequent flyers will stay loyal to DL for business trips and trips on the real moneymaking flights (e.g., Europe) if they know they can also count on DL to get them to FLL or LAS on vacation.
I guess that makes sense. But are frequent fliers really throwing down serious miles for free tickets on flight that are ~$69 each way?!
Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 14): There is also connecting traffic--those FLL flights feed people onto the more profitable international flights.
5 757s a day instead of an RJ like MIA gets?!
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SESGDL From United States, joined Jan 2001, 2554 posts, RR: 17 Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4872 times:
Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 8): Just because the flight went out full, doesn't make it a money maker.
Of course not, but according to people at DL loads are great and the fares are very high, which in most cases does mean it's a money maker. Being the only carrier on a route with a great demand is a good thing.
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