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JetBlue To Start JFK-BNA  
User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8784 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/060606/100262.html

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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8763 times:

Getting closer to STL....  stirthepot 

Congrats to BNA, it is only a 2hr and a half drive from me, if they don't come to STL anytime soon I might consider them out.

Alex



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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8748 times:

I am SO excited about this announcement! I can't wait. I think BNA will be very successful for B6.

User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8690 times:

B6 laying down the gauntlet in BNA - I am sure that WN will welcome them with open arms......

So much for controlling expansion to emphasize profitability?

 box 



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13119 posts, RR: 100
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8623 times:
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I like how B6 is finally filling in their route map. However, I expected something more in the midwest's industrial belt.

Any rumors on DTW or ORD? Or has B6 been locked out on gates?

Quoting Spartanmjf (Reply 3):
B6 laying down the gauntlet in BNA - I am sure that WN will welcome them with open arms......

It doesn't matter... WN doesn't compete for the main NYC market. Yes, they will compete head to head for Long Island. I'll admit that B6 will have limited expansion from BNA.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8592 times:

I'm excited. With jetBlue now having started service to PWM I can now run up to see my Mom in Maine. I may even book on the first flight as early Sept is the normal time I go to visit.


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User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8529 times:

Nashville will add to jetBlue's growing list of destinations that were once strong performers for Independence Air. With the announcement of BNA, they have most of FLYi's best southern locales covered. However SAV and the three major South Carolina markets of Greensville/Spartanburg, Columbia, and Charleston were good markets for Independence as well, so maybe there's the off chance that one or two of them could be next to see jetBlue.

User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8492 times:

What about Michigan in the Midwest. I think they could be very successful considering a lot of people are looking for a great alternative to NW. Lower fares and great service. Come on B6


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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8436 times:

Quoting Spartanmjf (Reply 3):
So much for controlling expansion to emphasize profitability?

Indeed...I really believe it's time for B6 to slow down on opening new stations and focus on connecting the dots, especially now that they have the 190s which are perfect for such flights. That way they'll get the best bang for their buck with already existing stations/gates.

JFK is just about at capacity for B6 right now...I just don't understand why they are adding more and more flights at JFK when they can't handle it right now.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
I'm excited. With jetBlue now having started service to PWM I can now run up to see my Mom in Maine. I may even book on the first flight as early Sept is the normal time I go to visit.

I'm happy for you because I know how great it is to have a lowfare option on a route you often fly...But this also concerns me. I suppose connecting passengers are inevitable, but B6 should try to minimize it.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23011 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8401 times:

I wonder if B6 might have some success with BOS-BNA in the not so distant future. The only competition would be a lone OH flight, whereas in NYC there is a lone OH flight (again) but in addition there are 3 AA mainline flights and 5 CO (Express) flights. There's not as much O&D, but with low fares, I think B6 could stimulate some.


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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8323 times:

I don't get it. Not long after jetBlue talks about how they are going to slow down expanding a bit, they keep announcing new stations. And I know for a fact there are at least two more to be announced by summer's end. They need to stick with a plan.


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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8314 times:

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 10):
And I know for a fact there are at least two more to be announced by summer's end.

Source?


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8314 times:
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Well good for them, though to start it is only three flights in each direction to start. And if using the 190's that is only 300 seats in each direction. No mention that I saw of what fleet type would operate this route.


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User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8314 times:

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 10):
They need to stick with a plan.

Maybe they are following the decision-making paradigm established by Airbus with the A350/A350RN/A350RRN [Really, Really New]/A370.

 duck 



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8305 times:

Quoting Spartanmjf (Reply 13):
Maybe they are following the decision-making paradigm established by Airbus with the A350/A350RN/A350RRN [Really, Really New]/A370.

HAHA  Smile


User currently offlineAkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8305 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 8):
Indeed...I really believe it's time for B6 to slow down on opening new stations and focus on connecting the dots, especially now that they have the 190s which are perfect for such flights. That way they'll get the best bang for their buck with already existing stations/gates.

JFK is just about at capacity for B6 right now...I just don't understand why they are adding more and more flights at JFK when they can't handle it right now.

There is so much more that goes into “connecting the dots” than I think you realize. You can send an aircraft only so far before it needs to be provisioned again. Most of our stations only have a few flights a day and it’s just not economical to add provisioning until you have a double digit amount of flights. Only a few of our cities have provisioning so currently there are a limited number of “connecting the dots” that can currently be done.

As for JFK - what are you talking about JFK not being able to handle more capacity? We just added the new temporary gate building in front of T5. We can handle about 30-40 more flights a day thanks to this addition!



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8285 times:

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 10):
They need to stick with a plan.

They're sticking to the plan. The cut backs announced were for new cities ABOVE those already scheduled. Nashville has been on the planned city list since before the first jetBlue plane ever took to the sky.



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8263 times:

Quoting AkjetBlue (Reply 15):
As for JFK - what are you talking about JFK not being able to handle more capacity? We just added the new temporary gate building in front of T5. We can handle about 30-40 more flights a day thanks to this addition!

If you consider boarding a shuttle bus part of the jetBlue experience...jetBlue is busting from the seams at T6. You already have a minioperation going on at T4...It's time to slow down at JFK until the new terminal is opened.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 16):
They're sticking to the plan. The cut backs announced were for new cities ABOVE those already scheduled. Nashville has been on the planned city list since before the first jetBlue plane ever took to the sky.

LGA and EWR too, right?


User currently offlineAirMailer From United States of America, joined May 2006, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8243 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 8):
JFK is just about at capacity for B6 right now...I just don't understand why they are adding more and more flights at JFK when they can't handle it right now.

I think that B6 has to start developing the 'more capacity' now so that they have it for when they move back into their old/new/overhauled terminal.


User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8235 times:

JetBlue still has new planes coming on line this year - they need to use them. They are not cutting back deliveries of E190's.... and they don't cut back their A320 deliveries until next year.

They are making SMART decisions only going into shorter haul markets now. That is part of their Return To Profitability plan.

I think that BNA was a very smart decision for them.

Rob


User currently offlineLowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8227 times:

Jetblue's expansion is limited by slowing down 320 deliveries or outright selling them, not opening new cities. The 190 is an economically superior a/c as a traffic stimulator for new stations, and Neeleman has already said 2006 would see more new stations than the 10 originally announced. He is doing what he said they will do, and I expect at least another 5 new stations over the original 10 by year-end.

Connecting the dots will happen, but they need a midwest hub for that to be more viable. Analysts are on UALs case about a further reduction of domestic capacity. ORD could open up quite a few gates if that happens, especially if the Chicago airport authority enforces the "cross default" clause in the bond issue. UAL for it's part is threatening to relocate corp headquarters. Stay tuned as this may be what B6 is looking for.


User currently offlineAirMailer From United States of America, joined May 2006, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8178 times:

Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 19):
I think that BNA was a very smart decision for them.

I concur.
Short flights with smaller aircraft means less fuel gets burned, less seats have to be sold at a bargain basement price to fill the plane.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8172 times:
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Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 7):
What about Michigan in the Midwest. I think they could be very successful considering a lot of people are looking for a great alternative to NW. Lower fares and great service. Come on B6

DTW has a slew of LCC's that offer service.



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User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8160 times:

Yeah, as long as Spirit is around, I don't think you'll see JetBlue in DTW.

Rob


User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6763 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8142 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 16):
Nashville has been on the planned city list since before the first jetBlue plane ever took to the sky.

That planned city list from back in 1999 has virtually no connection with reality. Were SEA, PDX, SMF, SJC, OAK, LGB, BUR, SAN, DEN, LAS, ONT, SJU, SDQ, AUA, NAS, PSE, or BQN on that list? Adjusting the business plan in response to opportunities makes sense, but justifying a new route based on a seven-year-old plan is ludicrous.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
I wonder if B6 might have some success with BOS-BNA in the not so distant future. The only competition would be a lone OH flight

I was surprised to not see BOS-BNA, but from looking at the fare data, BOS-BNA traffic is weak in spite of relatively modest average fares (30% lower than NYC-BNA on a longer stage length). WN siphons off quite a bit of that traffic at PVD and MHT with average fares that run around 20% lower to BNA; both have stronger traffic to BNA than BOS does. I did not realize that AA had abandoned BOS-BNA service, but I'm not surprised, either. There's much more room for B6 to lower fares to Nashville from JFK than there is from BOS.


25 Luv2fly : I have to agree here as well.
26 EMBQA : Eagle did it a few years back with an E135. It's a tough call for B6. JFK offers better connections into their system and I don't think you get a lot
27 KcrwFlyer : I thought that list was no longer valid due to the size of certain cities on it. Do you think they'll expand more on the East coast? I agree with tho
28 RJpieces : Especially considering how many times B6 has deviated from their original business model...One can easily argue that B6 has problems today because th
29 FWAERJ : I was glad to hear this, as I have some longtime friends who live near BNA. One of them flies often to the NYC area and to CLT (home of one of his cus
30 ScottB : Uh, I guess he could, but it would take 6h35, 7h20, or 5h05 eastbound and 5h30, 8h05, or 9h15 westbound due to the schedules and the extreme backtrac
31 SKYYBLUE : Newsflash - we will be opening more than the 10 cities originally planned in 06. Probably between 12-15. I would hardly call 4 flights to San Juan th
32 JetBluefan1 : It's nice to see this! I really was not expecting BNA so soon, but nevertheless, I think this will be a great route. There's hardly any competition an
33 Post contains images Ikramerica : Wow, before B6, there was no way to get to Maine from Nashville?!
34 KcrwFlyer : Thats good news to me, however it seems like Jetblue likes markets that already have service to New York.
35 JetBluefan1 : There aren't many that don't! JetBluefan1
36 Post contains images Jerseyguy : Nothing civilized
37 KcrwFlyer : Interesting how that has worked out to say the least.
38 FWAERJ : Well, the NYC area is FWA's #1 O&D destination by far, and there hasn't been nonstop service since American Eagle abruptly pulled their FWA-LGA fligh
39 FA4B6 : PIT was announced with JFK (4x a day PIT-JFK) and BOS service (2x a day PIT-BOS)
40 N702ML : Several comments have been made about the original business plan of jetBlue. I thought this was interesting. From an article in "The Dallas Morning Ne
41 KcrwFlyer : I've had the same dream as you for a while now. NYC is #2 for CRW with around 100 daily. Was FWA-LGA a very successful route?
42 CentPIT : I was hoping someone would catch that error! Great news for BNA, I would love to see twice daily PIT-BNA from B6. Pittsburgh has been without BNA for
43 PWM2TXLHopper : Yes, it was possible to get to BNA from PWM before B6, but you couldn't usually get there (or anywhere else) economically, especially on short notice
44 Post contains images PanAm330 : PIT was announced with 2x daily E190 service. Good to see them filling out that map of theirs. Now we just need STL, MSP and DFW and it'll look a lit
45 JetBluefan1 : Mhmm...I know that. But it looks as if the last several destinations announced have not been linked to BOS. While PIT will have BOS service, CLT, RDU
46 CIDflyer : Amen to that! I don't understand why an LCC has not come in to the midwest with full force yet. All the east and west coasts are saturated with them.
47 Luv2fly : The whole hub would have to be connecting traffic as the low O/D numbers.
48 MrSTL : 15 million last year is nothing to sneeze at, may not be ORD, but B6 would do just fine in STL. AA is flying 75% + O&D customers out of here right no
49 ERJ170 : I say Congradulations to BNA/Nashville and welcome to Kool-Aid country! I can't wait.. must get trip on B6 to experience it.
50 Luv2fly : From USA today! St. Louis, MO: Do you see STL being an under utilized airport? Ben Mutzabaugh: Yes and no. The airport now has a new $1 billion, 9,000
51 FWAERJ : Yes. It had 70%+ load factors. However, the government-mandated flight caps at LGA forced American Eagle to cut ERJ-135 service to some smaller marke
52 CentPIT : Maybe there isn't enough traffic for B6, or maybe they aren't interested. Traffic on the PIT-BOS route is going to skyrocket now that the fares are d
53 Luv2fly : High load factors do not always mean profitable flights.
54 MrSTL : I'm sorry but AA is hardly running a hub here and quite frankly is still shipping STL passengers on 22 flights a day on 757/md80 aircraft to ORD/DFW/
55 ERJ170 : Now am I wrong, drunk, or right when I read/heard somewhere that the LGA caps are to be dropped this/next year? I thought I understood that to be tru
56 Flyer62 : jetblue is doing very well at PWM and are keeping their A-320s! on all four daily flights, maybe in the slower midwinter they may have the 7:00 pm dep
57 KcrwFlyer : As much as I hate mentioning their name in a B6 thread.....I'm going to say the reason is NW. And what really is full force; where do you draw the bo
58 BR715-A1-30 : Hmm.. I wonder what AA is thinking.. After all, BNA USED to be one of their hubs.
59 ERJ170 : Here.. let me answer this one for you.. NOTHING! Same thing they were thinking when B6 entered their other former hubs.. Unless it starts with a M, D
60 JetBluefan1 : Actually, PWM will go to 4 E190s this upcoming fall. At least frequencies aren't being cut! JetBluefan1
61 LambertMan : BNA.....nice choice. Not a huge selection of flights from the area to New York, could work out well. We don't necessarily know that. In most public st
62 Post contains images NASBWI : If B6 were to wait to start those operations till after the new T5 was constructed, we would lose a vital part of our market. The new terminal probab
63 Stl1326 : That is true but you can't build a hub at these airport with connecting traffic. As they continue to grow they will eventually need a hub somewhere n
64 ERJ170 : How long until ORF is announced? They seem to be hitting the major areas.. I'm assuming the next airports would be ORF, CHS, CMH, and/or BWI? It seems
65 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : This is the plan, 10 cities in 06 and on smaller routes. They have the 6 SJU flights and 1 arrivng STI flight, not much at all really. SJU flights sh
66 EMBQA : Well, dog sled, but it's a little harder in the warmer months.
67 Warszawa : The only LCC in DTW offering NYC service is spirit, not a slew of LCC's. 5 Carriers offer DTW-NYC service; those being American, Delta, Continental,
68 Post contains images NASBWI : Don't forget WN .
69 Warszawa : and AirTran + Frontier...though I was referencing NYC service.
70 KcrwFlyer : Again, wasnt that list deemed invalid?
71 EMBQA : Well I'm booked. First flight out....!!
72 JetBluefan1 : It was for a good 5 years. However, as B6 is looking to concentrate more on short- and medium- range routes, it looks like most of the destinations o
73 KcrwFlyer : Looks like CRW is the smallest city on there, but with PWM getting 4x a320 or something like that, I'm not ruling any city out. I could see them goin
74 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Don't worry man they'll get there one day. I could see 2X 190 to JFK by fall 07. Just my guess but you never know. Yea but B6 can pull it off to FNT
75 FlyMIA : During the summer, Maine is a major tourist destination for people up and down the East Coast. Portland's airport acts as the main gateway for the re
76 Rottamo : Here are some high fare destinations from New York (Based on Dot's consumer air fare report). I have compared lowest average fare vs. potential averag
77 KcrwFlyer : I didnt know PWM was a gateway like that. And yes, its going to be emb-190 this fall I've heard. All I can do is hope.
78 AirMailer : GSP would be a great place for B6 to head to next. The area might be small, but it's the only thing between CLT and ATL worth mentioning... and with
79 GoBlue : I am thinking that St. Louis and even Kansas City could be next destinations. As B6 works its way west. Just my 2 cents!
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