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Aircraft With Outdated IFE  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6446 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6217 times:

Does anyone know of aircraft that have outdated IFE?

I can think of one. Delta's domestic 767-300 IFE is quite outdated. The channel and volume controls are analog dials, and the quality of the projection screens show that they are in need of replacement. Luckily, Delta intends to install PTVs, so new screens will be added, as well as new digital channel/volume controls.


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User currently offlineRichM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 798 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6180 times:

Apparently ThomsonFly still have some aircraft with outdated IFE's.

User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6153 times:

UA 744; no PTV in Y, the only 2 aisle plane in the UA international fleet without it. It still uses 3 tube CRT projectors. UA was planning to upgrade the systems, but ran out of money, long before Ch. 11, so they are probably just going to use the 744s as is until they are retired.

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3722 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6140 times:

Any of NW's domestic 'planes... no IFE at all.

I don't get it how NW can charge $900 one-way for a flight from DTW/MSP to, say, LAX, and not offer you any IFE... not even a movie on those old screens or music.



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User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6124 times:

Most aircrafts in the US and Europe have outdated IFEs. My standard of outdated IFEs are anything without PTVs or without any personal visual+audio entertainment device (so Business Class at UA's P.S would not count as having outdated IFEs as each person gets a DVD player, despite the fact there is no PTVs)

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6083 times:

Quoting Superhub (Reply 4):
Most aircrafts in the US and Europe have outdated IFEs. My standard of outdated IFEs are anything without PTVs or without any personal visual+audio entertainment device (so Business Class at UA's P.S would not count as having outdated IFEs as each person gets a DVD player, despite the fact there is no PTVs)

The Rockwell-Collins system on Delta's 767-400ERs are not THAT outdated, they use LCD screens (although they are losing quality) and they have Airshow.

Anyone know of other aircraft with analog dials as IFE controls?

[Edited 2006-06-06 19:34:00]


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User currently offlineDestinations From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6034 times:

Thomsonfly and Monarch Airlines both have VERY outdated IFE systems for this technological age. Talking more about the long haul aircraft though.

User currently offlineCurious From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6011 times:

how much does it cost to install a reasonable IFE system on a medium sized aircraft?
Thanks


User currently offlineSFO2SVO From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5982 times:

Once I was flying AA SJC-AUS (MD80) and the copy of American Way Magazine was 2 months old. Very outdated IFE!  Smile


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User currently offlineOlympicbis From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5961 times:

Ryanair's IFE is quite outdated, seems to consist of some kind of sticker at the back of every seat showing the safety instructions. Would keep you entertained for some seconds, according to how fast you can read...

User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5961 times:

Yeah, on NW 757s the equipment is there to have audio and movies, but they aren't used. Passengers who aren't used to flying NW usually expect a movie to be shown, only to have the screens black the entire flight. I think on the older 757s, the unused audio controls are dials.

Of course there are the HP A320s with ancient, unused "PTVs" in the headrests - but fortunately drop-down screens replace them.


User currently offlineBh4007 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5914 times:

Quoting Destinations (Reply 6):
Thomsonfly and Monarch Airlines both have VERY outdated IFE systems for this technological age. Talking more about the long haul aircraft though.

Well as for TOM, their 757 fleet will have been updated in time for Summer 06 (LCD screens in aisle playing analogue video with in-seat audio) - Although when I flew on them last August with this new set-up the screens looked more like CRTs with a shallower depth rather than LCD..... (not an expert though!)

And MON, well its probably just the 757s and early A320s that are in need of an update and i'm assuming the 757s are leaving soon....


User currently offlineDestinations From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5829 times:

Quoting Bh4007 (Reply 11):
Well as for TOM, their 757 fleet will have been updated in time for Summer 06 (LCD screens in aisle playing analogue video with in-seat audio) - Although when I flew on them last August with this new set-up the screens looked more like CRTs with a shallower depth rather than LCD..... (not an expert though!)

And MON, well its probably just the 757s and early A320s that are in need of an update and i'm assuming the 757s are leaving soon....

I was thinking about the A330 and A300 that are used long haul for Monarch with CRT screens centre and Thomsonfly B767-300 which a similar arrangement.


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5800 times:

I guess with all these outdated IFE systems around, I'll be a busy guy over the next few years.

Honestly, the way that customer opinions are being reported, anything other than AVOD is outdated.

The next generation of AVOD will be incredibly exciting though.


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5644 times:

JL B747-200B and B747-300 to some extent.

No PTVs on the B747-200B whatsoever. I was sitting on C class and they only had portable DVD players that they handed out. The problem was that they forgot to recharge them at YVR so they were out of battery. So no IFE whatsoever. I felt like a moron flying on the C class of that thing. So I hate and drank and went to sleep.

The B747-300 don't have PTVs in Y but I guess the UA 744 are in a similar condition so I won't procrastinate on that one.



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5569 times:

Some of Etihad's leased A330s (A6-EYA,-B,-X) have an outdated IFE of the former airline TAM oder Volare (I don't know exactly which one it was).

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User currently offlineLH492 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 208 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5457 times:

Lufthansa does not offer PTV´s on long-haul flights in Y-class, they have screens at the ceiling and you have like 24 audio-channels.
As for intra european flights, you do not have any IFE at all, not even music-programs.
Their newest long-haul additions (A340-600 and A33-300) have the spaces for PTV´s inside the seats, but there is nothing in there  Confused


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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5417 times:

Does anybody why such a big carrier like LH doesn't offer PTV on their flights?

User currently offlineLH492 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 208 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5365 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 17):
Does anybody why such a big carrier like LH doesn't offer PTV on their flights?

Well, installing PTV´s does cost a lot, the airline has to maintain them and the system has to be flown around with the aircraft, therefore making it more heavy. Lufthansa has great loads on their flights and there is no indication whatsoever, that pax choose not to fly them, because they do not have PTV´s. (this goes for "normal" passengers and not aviation nutters like us a.netters  Wink )
Therefore, they see no need to install them, they try to keep their costs as low as possible and as long as there is no sign, that the pax are avoiding LH because the do not have PTV´s, LH is not going to change this.
I am sad about this, since PTV´s make travelling by air much more comfortable, especially in y-class, but I just fly with other Star Alliance carriers, who offer this service.

cheers,
Philipp



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User currently offlineCurious From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5346 times:

So which transatlantic airlines (European or US) offer PTV?

User currently offlineOlympicbis From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5324 times:

Quoting Curious (Reply 19):
So which transatlantic airlines (European or US) offer PTV?

From the ones I have tried :
Swiss on A330-200s and A340-300s
BA on B747-400s and 777-200s
AF on 777s, A330s and 747s ( not sure if on all 747s )
KLM on 777s and A330-200s
OA on A340-300s
Austrian on A330-200s and A340-300s (? )
AZ I think on their 777s
IB I think on their A340-600s - not sure about their 747s or A340-300s
LH ( in Business & First )
I do not know much about US airlines transatlantic as it would not be my first choice currently and if I have to I will probably chose for UA, as I flew them from SYD to LAX and their service was fine.

Cheers


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5308 times:

Quoting Curious (Reply 19):
So which transatlantic airlines (European or US) offer PTV?

See Wondering About IFE? Here's The Global PTV List! (by PlaneHunter Apr 14 2006 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3499 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5298 times:

Air Canada's A345s, E175s, E190s and new CRJ (long ones) have PTV in Y and J. The A330/340 also have spaces for PTV but nothing is installed.

El Al 777 and 747 also have PTV in all classes or so I heard.



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User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5269 times:

Quoting LH492 (Reply 16):
Their newest long-haul additions (A340-600 and A33-300) have the spaces for PTV´s inside the seats, but there is nothing in there

It's the perfect place to put my private IFE.

A Book.


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6715 posts, RR: 77
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5241 times:

Quoting GBan (Reply 23):
It's the perfect place to put my private IFE.

A Book.


My preferred place for storing books is a seat pocket, like the one below:




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[Edited 2006-06-07 20:58:36]


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
25 DeltaRules : NW's DC-10s, at least some of them. DeltaRules
26 Curious : what about those hand held PTV like the ones you can get on Maxjet? any other airline offer them, any idea's as to thier cost? Many Thanks
27 Shane : Every time I get on a LH flight in coach, it seems that I'm too far from the LCD in front of me, and too close to the one right next to me to view eit
28 BG777300ER : How is the IFE on AZ 767s?
29 AlitaliaMD11 : Iberia does not offer PTV´s in any of their A340-300/600 fleet. The two 747-400s leased from Air Atlanta, which came from Singapore, do although the
30 FURUREFA : AA kinda has AVOD on their 763s in J, you can pause/rewind/etc. and you have a choice of 20 movies with a DVD player! Matt
31 AirbusA6 : Lack of domestic competition??? If VS hadn't introduced PTV into Y all those years ago, would BA have PTV in all it's long haul fleet?
32 SDLSimme : SK also have PTVs in their A333/343s. AA have PTVs in their 772s and I think that CO have PTVs in all their 767s and 777s. I also think that US have
33 DeltAirlines : Delta has PTVs in all classes on the 777 for trans-Atlantic. The 767-400s used on trans-Atlantics have them in the first 7 rows (reservable only by f
34 SRT75 : UA has PTVs on their 763s and 777s on international routes. Which makes for a kind of odd situation for UA. The longest flights in the system do NOT h
35 Afay1 : The VC-10, 707, DC-8, DC-10, DC-9, 727, 737 classic, IL62 (except for that one with LCD displays), IL-86, IL-96, IL-76, Tu-134, Tu-134, 747-100, L1011
36 Geo772 : BA have PTVs on the 767 fleet as well now.
37 SkyexRamper : Does everyone remember when IFE really didn't exist and people didn't care. Passengers never fussed because they entertained themselves by reading or
38 777ER : The two UA flights I took two weeks ago (A320 and B733) had totally outdated IFE. I've got two more UA flights in August (B752 and B763), so I'm expec
39 Aviationwiz : That's where usually flying on NW pays off, you tend to be impressed with just about any airline you fly or see.
40 Simong : Can anyone say *Air Canada's* overseas fleet !!!! Seriously outdated. B767's with old flip screeens ..... ancient !
41 Post contains images NZ8800 : Good point! Long ago... very long ago... I do however remember when people felt lucky to get a projected movie inflight! There's a lot of this sort o
42 AirbusA6 : Ah, those flights over the Atlantic and Pacific, watching the clouds and sea, the hours fly by...not!!! I think it's known as progress, after all nob
43 Post contains images SkyexRamper : The times I've flown Frontier I didn't pay $5 each leg for TV, I simply read a magazine or looked quietly out the window munching on my snack or rela
44 Antskip : Yeh, the good old days. We flow low and slow. When we were not too busy landing and taking off every few hours, throwing up into the little bag (due
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