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JetBlue Moving Some E190's Out West?  
User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5166 times:

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/st...usiness/2006/jun/06/566689419.html

JetBlue Airways, the upstart low-cost carrier that has developed a loyal following in its New York base and has 10 flights a day to and from Las Vegas, may soon bring its new aircraft type to McCarran.

David Neeleman, founder and chief executive of JetBlue, in an interview with In Business Las Vegas, a sister publication of the Sun, said the company plans nonstop service between McCarran and Burbank, Calif., and expects to use the airline's new Embraer 190 twin-engine jets on the route.

JetBlue is buying 100 of the 100-passenger jets to drive traffic in developing markets. Unlike most regional jets that critics say are cramped and uncomfortable, the E-190 has a normal-sized fuselage that offers more room than JetBlue's standard Airbus jets.

JetBlue started operations in Las Vegas with flights to and from Long Beach, Calif. Neeleman said the new Burbank flights would broaden the company's reach to Southern California.

Neeleman's full interview will appear in the June 9-15 issue of In Business Las Vegas.

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User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5067 times:

E190's are staying east coast. BUR-LAS will utilize the A320 that would have otherwise been sitting on the ground.

User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5009 times:

If you're so sure, why is the CEO saying otherwise?

Rob


User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 2):
If you're so sure, why is the CEO saying otherwise?

Misquoted perhaps?

I'm so sure because the question of the E190 going west coast comes up frequently inside the company and the answer is always the same, "not at this time". Why would we send one lonely little E190 to the westcoast for a LAS-BUR-LAS? BUR/LAS aren't even focus cities for us. You never know though, I could be totally wrong and don't want to eat my words. As far as we've been told, the jungle jets are staying on the east side

[Edited 2006-06-06 21:04:55]

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4887 times:
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If some E-190's are coming out to the west coast, I guess we could see some north/south flying from B6 in the not-too-distant future. I couldn't imagine B6 using the E-190's on just LAS-BUR.

User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2984 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4838 times:

The article is wrong. BUR-LAS is being launched with an A320. During other portions of the day, the same planes is being used on BUR-MCO (which is certainly not an E190 route).

As far as the future...I think B6 could do really well out West with those E190s.

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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4838 times:

THey will be using the E-190 on the JFK-BNA route.


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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5163 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4703 times:

Quoting InTheSky74 (Thread starter):
[Quoting the article in the paper:] "
Unlike most regional jets that critics say are cramped and uncomfortable, the E-190 has a normal-sized fuselage that offers more room than JetBlue's standard Airbus jets. "

Huh? Obviously, the reporter is a tad ill-informed.

The fuselage is nowhere near a "normal size" if you consider the 757 or the A320 or even the MD80 to have a "normal size" fuselage.

As to "more room" than the "standard" Airbus jets, I guess it depends upon how you define "more room". The fuselage is at least 36" narrower than the A320, but the seats are two-tenths of an inch wider and are two-abreast. Maybe that's what they mean. OTOH, the seats on the E145 "cramped and uncomfortable" Jungle Jet are only a half-inch narrower than those on the A320, and they are laid out in a 2-1 configuration, which is wonderful.

In short, I call "Shenanigans" on the whole freakin' article.

[Edited 2006-06-06 22:22:23]

User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

I can't find it on here, or remember how long ago, I think almost a year ago or so, but when I was leaving BUR one time on HP back to AZ I watched JetBlue flying their E190 in and out of BUR, it had to have landed and taken off 3 or 4 times within the couple hours I was there and that's when the BUR folks were saying at JetBlue that they were trying to the 2 added gates next to theirs now to increase ops in the future, I didn't think it would take a whole year, but maybe its now in the nearer future

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 8):
I can't find it on here, or remember how long ago, I think almost a year ago or so, but when I was leaving BUR one time on HP back to AZ I watched JetBlue flying their E190 in and out of BUR, it had to have landed and taken off 3 or 4 times within the couple hours I was there and that's when the BUR folks were saying at JetBlue that they were trying to the 2 added gates next to theirs now to increase ops in the future, I didn't think it would take a whole year, but maybe its now in the nearer future

Well, considering B6 didn't even have their first E90 "almost a year ago"  Wink ...


User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

actually, yeah they did, the E190 were on proving and trial runs for a long while before they entered service with JetBlue. JetBlue was the first operator, not only in the U.S, but the first operator of the E190 and the a/c was flown for months before the airline entered service with it. I have run out of time before work, but I have found previous post from June 2005 that the JetBlue E190 was seen in upstate N.Y stations flying in/out on runs, I'll search further after work, but that would be a year ago if my math is right

User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4262 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4428 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 7):
As to "more room" than the "standard" Airbus jets, I guess it depends upon how you define "more room". The fuselage is at least 36" narrower than the A320, but the seats are two-tenths of an inch wider and are two-abreast. Maybe that's what they mean. OTOH, the seats on the E145 "cramped and uncomfortable" Jungle Jet are only a half-inch narrower than those on the A320, and they are laid out in a 2-1 configuration, which is wonderful.

I'm sure what they mean is seat comfort. I've been on both an E145 "Jungle Jet" and a E190 belonging to B6, and there is NO COMPARISON. Honestly, I'd take an E190 over an A320 for a 2-3 hour flight, given a choice, especially considering JetBlue has more IFE on their E190s (although that's not the main reason).

For flights of an hour or shorter, the E145s and their CRJ brethren fill a void that would otherwise be filled with turboprops or not operated at all. For that, I am willing to forgive some creature comforts when in one of these beasts. They are not so good on longer flights, say 2+ hours, but this is not true of the E190 because the E190 is not a regional jet....



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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

It is a nice idea to expand some more on the west and they are doing that a little with LGB-SMF and LAS-BUR but either:
They will add more 320 flights in the west or they will not expand with short haul west flights or they will bring the 190 out but I do not see that any time soon. That has been stated many times.

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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3104 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

B6's problem in the west is the lack of a decent base for operations. They flirted with opening LGB as a focus city (I think it still is, officially), but with all the capacity constraints there they don't have much room for expansion. It's hard to expand a "key" city when you have to wait for slots to open up every couple years, and when they do, fight with everyone else to get them.

B6 really needs to determine a strategy in the west and pick a better base of operations (something similar to JFK, BOS, or FLL in the east) before they worry about connecting dots in the west.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4193 times:

When WN moves their operation in OAK.. wouldn't OAK make a better base for the west coast as it is centrally located, home to a LOT of people, and will then have some gatespace available?


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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5163 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 11):
I'm sure what they mean is seat comfort

Okay. But I have to tell you that I can't tell the difference between an A320 seat and a E190 seat. Remember, the claim is that the E190 offers "more room" than B6's A320s. That two-tenths of an inch on the seat can't possibly be noticeable to anyone.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 15):
That two-tenths of an inch on the seat can't possibly be noticeable to anyone.

Ive sat in the seats of a 170 and the seats of a 319.. and you can tell the difference.. Sitting on a 170 DCA-ORD was a LOT more comfortable than sitting on a 319 DTW-DCA.. believe you me.. and it helps that I didn't have to doublejoint my neck to look out the window of the 170.. but perhaps I am biased..



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4082 times:
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Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 14):
When WN moves their operation in OAK.. wouldn't OAK make a better base for the west coast as it is centrally located, home to a LOT of people, and will then have some gatespace available?

Yes...I can see that happening if and when WN moves out of T1 when the T2 expansion is opened. That would add another four gates to T1.

If B6 does happen to set their eyes on OAK as a major west coast connecting complex, then that might set the impetus to start their 2nd terminal expansion for T1.

Only time will tell.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3104 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4030 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 17):
If B6 does happen to set their eyes on OAK as a major west coast connecting complex, then that might set the impetus to start their 2nd terminal expansion for T1.

In that case, why not just SFO? SFO has plenty of room for expansion, and with Virgin America maybe on its way, B6 could beat them to the punch.

Large, underutilized airport in a city with huge business and tourist traffic. Hmm ... sounds perfect for B6.


User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1177 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4030 times:
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The E170 coach seat on the United Express (Republic) a/c is more comfortable than the B777 coach seat operated by United mainline. I got to experience both within 24 hours on a trip in and out of Dulles for some meetings a few months back. The E170 takes me back to the my early flying days on 707-320's and Convair 990's. Nice leg room, supportive seats, wide aisles. Way to go Embraer. The only negative was the lack of IFE on the Republic 170's compared to the B777, as I do happen to enjoy to tune in to a certain channel so I can listen in to all the 'heavy'' call signs.

So while I have not been on a 190, if they are anywhere near the 170 in comfort I would gladly take them cross country since the one nice thing about them is the ability to deplane in about 5 minues compared to ''forever ''on the 777.



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User currently offlineAzul320 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4025 times:

The article is probably hinting at new future regional destinations with JetBlue out of LAS using the E190's. Given that LAS is not slot restricted and is susceptable to rapid growth. (LAS-BUR) as one safe example.

[Edited 2006-06-07 06:15:54]

[Edited 2006-06-07 06:18:15]


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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4262 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 15):
But I have to tell you that I can't tell the difference between an A320 seat and a E190 seat. Remember, the claim is that the E190 offers "more room" than B6's A320s. That two-tenths of an inch on the seat can't possibly be noticeable to anyone.

I agree. 2/10 of an inch is probably not noticeable. But it sure means that the E190 seat is at least as roomy as an A320 - and JetBlue's A320s have some of the most room of any carrier in Y class! Combine this extra room with larger windows, slightly better IFE, and this aircraft is very impressive for short- to medium- hauls.

To me, the only downside to the E190's comfort is the ridiculously small lav at the front of the aircraft. Men basically have to crane their necks to, ummm, use the facilities, due to the curveature of the fuselage. I can't imagine changing a baby diaper in that space! However, the aft lav is much better and is almost "handicap accessible" in terms of its size.



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User currently offlineCrjflyer35 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 668 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

Speaking of regional routes for B6, I was actually thinking a few months back about B6 utilizing the E190 out of PHX to SOCAL...probably would never happen, as PHX only sees 1 or 2 B6 flights a day to the East coast, but interesting to me nonetheless.


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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13124 posts, RR: 100
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2869 times:
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Personally, I would love to see the E190's here out west. But... B6 should keep them on the "east side" until there are enough to provide economies of scale. This implies > 25 in the inventory. Since that will not happen until 2007... It wouldn't suprise me if B6 waits until 2008 to start E190 service out west.

I'll again note that B6 will need more "mid-points" to ferry the E190's coast to coast. Otherwise, the two coasts would have their own fleets.

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 8):
I watched JetBlue flying their E190 in and out of BUR, it had to have landed and taken off 3 or 4 times within the couple hours I was there and that's when the BUR folks were saying at JetBlue that they were trying to the 2 added gates next to theirs now to increase ops in the future, I didn't think it would take a whole year, but maybe its now in the nearer future



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 18):
In that case, why not just SFO? SFO has plenty of room for expansion, and with Virgin America maybe on its way, B6 could beat them to the punch.

I think either LAS, LAX, BUR, or SFO would make a great west coast base. SFO won't be a good idea once Virgin America gets its legs. (It will, one day.)

Its looking like the E190 is finally doing for B6 what it was supposed to.

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User currently offlineMDW22L31C From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 213 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2722 times:

I guess ONT is not on B6 list to expand into the intra-california and LAS and PHX. B6 Should take on SW at ONT. SW owns ONT. there is lots of room in Term. 2 at ONT too expand.

25 JetBlueAUS : ONT has been on jetBlue's Route Map since July 2000, and it only has one flight a day to JFK. If B6 wanted to expand at ONT, and if they do expand at
26 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : They did have a day time ONT flight from JFK last summer but it didn't do so great. ONT can really only support 1X a day to JFK, none more. B6jfk
27 Wjcandee : Looks like Frontier has beaten them to the punch on Intra-California service, as it will be starting 5 flights a day from SFO-LAX on A319s. Given that
28 Post contains links and images JetBlueAtJFK : jetBlue bat them to the punch since September 22, 2002 ( http://jetblue.com/learnmore/timeline.html ) They do very well on LGB-OAK already and LAX-SF
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