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Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX  
User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

After 10 years of continuous cargo service, Korean Air cargo has decided to suspend service to Portland as of May,27,2006 and replaced it with Seattle on June 1st......I hope this is not a pattern were going to be seeing with our current international flights in the future. I sure going to miss seeing that big blue 747-400F flying in and out of Portland...Portland has lost several international cargo service over the past few years Nippon Cargo and Cargolux repectively...

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User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2903 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4376 times:
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Wow, I'm surprised to hear this. I also will miss their 747, one of the precious few that we see here... I wonder what prompted this? I was under the impression that they were doing quite well here.

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

Wow, I'm surprised. I wonder if Seattle put together some kind of incentive package to draw this service. I, as well, will miss seeing that big pretty blue airplane  Sad

User currently offlineN757KW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

If I had a guess, it looks like it will be heading to SEA instead.

N757KW



"What we've got here, is failure to communicate." from Cool Hand Luke
User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

I was told that Korean air called this a simple sound business decision...They could save money by combining both cargo and passenger service out of Seattle.... I guess time will tell...I hope the airport will successfully land a new international cargo service to replace this one..For now, this is probably good news for Air China Cargo....I'm really going to miss seeing it at PDX though...............

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4343 times:

I'm not sure who would fill this vacancy though. Are there any other cargo carriers than run transpacific?

User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4343 times:

Well, I have not been on here for a while..Beside this aweful news, which is a blow to Portland, is there any positive news going on at PDX? Are things at least improving on the passenger scene?

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4303 times:

Lenald: where you been man? Hey, Alaska gave you your Mexico flight!

Sad to see KE pull out the cargo service though!

ASLAX



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4163 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4293 times:

Boston got the same 'bad news' several years ago. As our only Asian service--ever--it was sad to see them go. Korean Air's flight into and out of Boston was a passenger flight, and I think they tagged Boston onto a JFK or IAD flight.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

AS739X.....Well, knock me to the ground with a pair of chopsticks! Alaska airlines is giving us nonstop flights to Mexico......That is awesome news man...... I woulds have thought flights to the east would have been in effect, well before any international destinations would even be considered...My hat goes off for Alaska........I now love the airline agian!

User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4264 times:
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I saw a KE 777 in SEA last month. Is that what they usually run there, and now will they switch it to a 747?


"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

Quoting Leneld (Reply 6):
Are things at least improving on the passenger scene?

AS nonstop to SJD and PVR. I'd say that's a pretty big improvement. Also the new US flight to PHL.

On a side note, will AS be taking a gate in the D concourse to handle these Mexico arrivals?



GO ROCKETS
User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2606 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4226 times:

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 10):
I saw a KE 777 in SEA last month. Is that what they usually run there, and now will they switch it to a 747?

They fly a pax 777 4x weekly
The 744 will be a cargo version


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4185 times:

Chugach: I'll check on that gate situation tonight when I get to work. We have a few PDX managers at LAX right now. Let you know.

ASLAX



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4169 times:

Trans Pacific air freight demand has leveled out in the last year or so, as the well publicized West Coast port issues have passed, and the cost of air transport increases.

With facility capacity increases at most West Coast Ports (particularly in Los Angeles-Long Beach), coupled with continued air freight hikes due fuel surcharges the lower costs of ocean transport become more and more attractive than air.
Shipping capacity has also increased in the last few years with many new ships coming on line, and some companies like Hawaii's Matson also entering the Trans-Pacific market.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

Laxintl......I never thought about the oceanic shipping factor on the west coast...Well as a spotter, I hope Air China Cargo picks up the slack by adding more frequencies in the future............

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4123 times:

Too bad the Korean plane was so much more attractive.

User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4117 times:

HPRamper......With the new merger with Us Air, does the airline plan to add destinations from PDX to some of the others US hubs?

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

Chugach: That is the plan according to the PDX manager we have hear right now. Plans are being talked over since it still a little time out, but a D concourse arrival and tow. The departure to Mexico will be form the Alaska gates.

ASLAX



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

AS739X....Does Alaska eventually plan to head east out of PDX in the future?

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

Quoting Leneld (Reply 17):
HPRamper......With the new merger with Us Air, does the airline plan to add destinations from PDX to some of the others US hubs?

I would bet money on it, but it's very hush hush in planning right now. Lots of talk about Boston right now, and also hearing CLT and an additional PHL. Nothing for sure yet.


User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

HPRamper.....Wow...........Just the thought of it intriques me..If it does happen, I think PDX will be wellserved to the east for years to come.........US Airways one day could have more flights than Delta today out of PDX.....This airline industry is way to unpredictable...........

User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 18):
Chugach: That is the plan according to the PDX manager we have hear right now. Plans are being talked over since it still a little time out, but a D concourse arrival and tow. The departure to Mexico will be form the Alaska gates.

Cool, thanks man. I suppose that makes the most sense. I think AS is going to have a surefire winner on those routes...I bet the ANC-PDX redeye will be even more packed than usual next winter with the connections!



GO ROCKETS
User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Quoting Leneld (Reply 21):
HPRamper.....Wow...........Just the thought of it intriques me..If it does happen, I think PDX will be wellserved to the east for years to come.........US Airways one day could have more flights than Delta today out of PDX.....This airline industry is way to unpredictable...........

We already have more flights than DL. They have more capacity I believe running 757s and usually a 767 daily through, but we are working on that as well. A year ago HP at PDX was a mix of mostly 737s with one or two A319, and a couple Mesa RJs. Now it has been built up to 2-4 A320 daily and the rest 737 and A319, with no RJs.

[Edited 2006-06-07 06:24:17]

User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3863 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 23):
We already have more flights than DL

I count 12 flights a day for DL:
4 to ATL
2 to CVG
6 to SLC

ans 9 flights a day for US:
5 to PHX
3 to LAS
1 to PHL

Am I missing anything?


25 HPRamper : Sorry, I was only counting mainline. For example, today DL shows 3 ATL, 2 CVG, and 2 SLC mainline but with four additional frequencies to SLC on regio
26 RampRat74 : I don't understand why UPS doesn't move into one of the newer warehouses. They don't even have a warehouse at PDX. They have a pretty large operation
27 S12PPL : That was stated in the thread starter...
28 HPRamper : That's a really good idea about the Delta cargo building. I think the only issue is room for parking aircraft, often UPS has three aircraft at the ter
29 AS739X : HPRamper, I would venture to guess that at a airport the size of PDX, UPS could care less where on the airport the facility is. Regardless if you have
30 Mozart : Just a question re: the cargo situation at PDX. What are/were these foreign cargo carriers transporting? Any export articles from Portland that need t
31 Gunsontheroof : Unlikely. Asiana also runs SEA-ICN, so I doubt there's a need to add capacity to the route. Might this switch have anything to do with the fact that
32 HPRamper : Nike and Intel supply a lot of cargo to these carriers. There are also automotive parts manufacturers, and a lot of high-tech industry like Wafertech
33 Doug_Or : I used to crush boxes @ PDX for UPS. There is a sort facility there and I don't think they'd gain much by getting more space. As it stands now (and by
34 Post contains images Jetboy319 : We may be losing the beautiful blue Korean Air 744 to Seoul, but we are gaining a beautiful white and blue Beechcraft 1900 to Missoula on the weekends
35 Post contains images KPDX : But I much rather see a beautiful blue Korean Air 744 to Seoul than a beautiful white and blue Beechcraft 1900 to Missoula on the weekends! That is q
36 Leneld : I agree it is a huge blow to Portland....After ten years of service now this........I'm sure on some level the daily NWA flights to Tokyo cargo capaci
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