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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3660 times:



Middle East Airlines (MEA), the national carrier of Lebanon, has signed a codeshare agreement with SNCF (Société Nationale des Chemins de fer Français), the French National Railways. The codeshare agreement will come into effect on Sunday, July 02, 2006.

This codeshare agreement will facilitate the transfer of passengers to/from MEA's Paris Charles de Gaulle flights to/from 15 cities in France via SNCF's TGV (Train à Grand Vitesse) high-speed train network.

The 15 stations are as follows:

Angers-St. Laud
Avignon TGV
Bordeaux-St. Jean
Le Mans
Lille-Europe
Lyon-Part Dieu
Marseille-St. Charles
Montpellier-St. Roch
Nantes
Nîmes
Poitiers
Rennes
St. Pierre des Corps/Tours
Toulon
Valence TGV

TGV trains that MEA codeshares on will carry an ME 90XX flight number.

The TGV is a high-speed train that travels at speeds of up to 300 km/h (186 mph). It serves many destinations throughout France as well as Switzerland and Italy.

More information can be found here:

http://www.tgv.com



"This agreement is very important for MEA. Further to this bilateral agreement with SNCF, MEA will be able to meet the increasing demand of its Lebanese customers heading to the French provinces” - Nizar Khoury, MEA Head of Commercial

"This partnership contributes to strengthening the presence and eminence of the TGV at the international level. SNCF is pleased to join MEA in this partnership, which will bolster the already strong ties between France and Lebanon." - Mireille Faugère, SNCF Voyages France Europe Director

http://www.mea.com.lb/MEA/English/Corporate/PressReleases/20060602.htm

MEA and Air France have had a close partnership and codeshare agreement since 1998. The two airlines currently jointly operate three daily flights between Paris and Beirut. MEA operates a daily A321-200 flight and a daily A330-200 flight while Air France operates a daily 777-300ER flight. A total of 709 seats are offered daily between the two airlines.

For the summer season, MEA's A321-200 flight is upgraded to an A330-200 on Mondays, Fridays, and Sundays to provide additional capacity.

MEA also operates twice weekly A321-200 service to Nice on Mondays and Thursdays during the summer season.

Early next year, MEA will join the SkyTeam Alliance as an associate member through its partner, Air France.

Middle East Airlines (MEA), which celebrated its 60th anniversary last year, is the national carrier of Lebanon based at Beirut's Rafic Hariri International Airport and serves 1.2 million passengers annually to 26 destinations in the Middle East, Europe, and West Africa with a modern fleet of six Airbus A321-200 and three Airbus A330-200 aircraft. It's current airline partners are Air France and Qatar Airways.

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http://www.mea.com.lb
http://www.sncf.com

[Edited 2006-06-06 22:14:41]


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
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User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

That's excellent news for MEA and Sncf. There are a lot of Lebanese in France- not just around Paris, and this will make it easier for them to connect to ME and AF services to Beirut.

This will strengthen the airlines' existing flights to Paris and Nice. Well dont MEA!



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3573 times:

Quoting Raffik (Reply 1):
That's excellent news for MEA and Sncf. There are a lot of Lebanese in France- not just around Paris, and this will make it easier for them to connect to ME and AF services to Beirut.

This will strengthen the airlines' existing flights to Paris and Nice. Well dont MEA!

I fully agree. As you mentioned, France has a huge Lebanese population and they are spread all over the country and the TGV is an extremely convenient, efficient, and fast mode of transportation to get around France.

This will make the three daily flights between Paris and Beirut even more accessible.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3571 times:

Quoting BA (Thread starter):
The TGV is a high-speed train that travels at speeds of up to 300 km/h (186 mph).

Actually, many travel up to 320 km/h (200 mph) now because of improvements to tracks that have made them quieter. Of course, the TGV trains themselves are capable of 500 km/h but will never go that fast in scheduled service.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3542 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
Actually, many travel up to 320 km/h (200 mph) now because of improvements to tracks that have made them quieter.

Which lines operate at speeds of up to 320 km/h now? I know they are doing several improvements to their existing network and building new high-speed lines, but I didn't think they would be faster than 300 km/h, at least until they come out with a new generation of TGV trainsets.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 4):
Which lines operate at speeds of up to 320 km/h now? I know they are doing several improvements to their existing network and building new high-speed lines, but I didn't think they would be faster than 300 km/h, at least until they come out with a new generation of TGV trainsets.

They have had next gen trainsets for a while now. The Duplex trainsets were delivered with 320 km/h capability and even the older trains are allowed to run 320 on routes where trackage has been upgraded. The Paris-Lyon line (of course) was upgraded a while ago and others are quickly following.



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User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

TGV Reseau and TGV Duplex are in fact capable of 320 km/h.

But for now only a stretch of the LGV Mediterannee (near Avignon) is authorized at 320 km/h in commercial service, in order to test the effects on infrastructure maintenance of such speeds with a significant daily number of trains.

When the LGV Est-Europeen opens next June this line will be operated at 320.

The upgrade of the Paris-Lyon line made some years ago (and not on all its length nevertheless) was from 270 km/h to 300, not 300 to 320.



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

I wish JL, NH or NW would have an agreement like this with JapanRail from NRT, NGO, KIX and FUK. It would be awsome but sadly JL and NH look at JR as the enemy.


Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
They have had next gen trainsets for a while now. The Duplex trainsets were delivered with 320 km/h capability and even the older trains are allowed to run 320 on routes where trackage has been upgraded. The Paris-Lyon line (of course) was upgraded a while ago and others are quickly following.

Oh I know about the Duplex trainsets, those have been out for several years now.

Thalys also operates a single deck variant of the Duplex trainsets.

I'm talking about an entirely new generation of TGV trains that has yet to come out.

Quoting TGV (Reply 6):
TGV Reseau and TGV Duplex are in fact capable of 320 km/h.

But for now only a stretch of the LGV Mediterannee (near Avignon) is authorized at 320 km/h in commercial service, in order to test the effects on infrastructure maintenance of such speeds with a significant daily number of trains.

When the LGV Est-Europeen opens next June this line will be operated at 320.

The upgrade of the Paris-Lyon line made some years ago (and not on all its length nevertheless) was from 270 km/h to 300, not 300 to 320.

Thanks for the information.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3470 times:

A pity they're not putting their code on the Thalys train CDG-ZYR and back.

That wouldn't make the experience better than with AF but it may improve competition and MEA's presence in Belgium



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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3464 times:

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 9):
That wouldn't make the experience better than with AF but it may improve competition and MEA's presence in Belgium

Totally agree,Belgium is also important for Lebanese and BRU should be integrated as well.Anyway this is a good news for MEA
Alex!!!



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3412 times:

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 9):
A pity they're not putting their code on the Thalys train CDG-ZYR and back.

This would require a separate codeshare agreement with Thalys which could be made in the future, who knows.

If you read the MEA press release, they state that SNCF is MEA's "first rail partner" so you get the impression that they could consider other agreements in the future.

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 9):
That wouldn't make the experience better than with AF but it may improve competition and MEA's presence in Belgium

Indeed!



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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

A bit off-topic, are there any signs that they may codeshare with Skyteam partner and AF twin KLM on AMS-BEY one of these days? We've also got (hi-speed and sonn higher speed) trains going to AMS, which is easier to transit at than CDG.


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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 12):
A bit off-topic, are there any signs that they may codeshare with Skyteam partner and AF twin KLM on AMS-BEY one of these days?

Last summer, KLM became a Cedar Miles partner which means Cedar Miles members can earn frequent flier miles on KLM flights, however, a codeshare was not signed. Perhaps when MEA becomes a SkyTeam associate member next year, who knows.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 12):
A bit off-topic, are there any signs that they may codeshare with Skyteam partner and AF twin KLM on AMS-BEY one of these days? We've also got (hi-speed and sonn higher speed) trains going to AMS, which is easier to transit at than CDG.

The KLM flight, leaving BEY at 2:20AM is directly in competition with MEA's flight ME209 to CDG leaving BEY at 02:05AM, but it could be interesting, as 95% of the passengers of this flight have a connection at CDG on AF's European and Long-Haul network, it would offer a wider choice.

On the other hand, KLM operations in BEY are quite small (5 x Weekly frequency B737, a Daily in the summer). It's been rumored for a while now that KLM would not fly anymore to BEY. Instead, a 4th frequency would be added on the CDG-BEY-CDG route, that needs a late afternoon departure from CDG, and a mid-day departure from BEY.


User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

Would MEA ever consider reopening its' AMS station? They could operate a low frequency service?


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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3318 times:

Opening/reopening European destinations is far from being a priority for MEA, for many reasons :

- Not enough aircraft
- Already existing destinations to increase before opening new ones
- Other more interesting/profitable destinations to, eventually, open/reopen/increase before AMS
- Expansion on its "natural" market : the Middle East, before expansion in Europe


User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

Yes, it is more important for the airline to focus on the Middle East; they are called Middle East Airlines but their network within the region is far from extensive!


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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3277 times:

Quoting Raffik (Reply 17):
it is more important for the airline to focus on the Middle East; they are called Middle East Airlines

Yes ... though I never liked that name "Middle East Airline"... It doesn't really mean anything.
I think they should have kept the name of "Air Liban" when they merged with this iarline in 1963, or even "Lebanese International Airways"... But that's another story ... or another Topic  Wink




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User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3266 times:

You're so right! Air Liban is a very nice name.
By the way- the MEA office in London has a very interesting state of the art interactive phone system now- check it out! It's just a few weeks old.



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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

MEA should order small planes and put them on daily services over the Middle eastern network"that's the concept of MEA in Skyteam".I personally think that the A319 and A318 are the most suitable to MEA regional fleet concept
Alex!!!



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

SNCF have umpteen codeshares - AA, CO, UA, TN, QR, AF, UU, CX all have codeshare on SNCF CDG-XYD - costs them nothing, they don't do check-in or anything, so no need to synch passenger information or anything, so why not ?

User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3207 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 20):
A318 are the most suitable

I don't think MEA has a need for the A318- it's not particularly economical, especially on the 30-60 minutes sectors MEA would operate them on.

The A319 would be a better choice.



Happy -go- lucky kinda guy!
User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3189 times:

Quoting Raffik (Reply 22):
I don't think MEA has a need for the A318- it's not particularly economical, especially on the 30-60 minutes sectors MEA would operate them on.

The A319 would be a better choice.

If MEA was to use the A318, it would probably not be on those sectors but on longer sectors which could make it worth. But then again an A319 is about the same price, specs and perfs and comes with IAE engines. I'm curious how many seats they could put on the A319 in their existing layout, given that word of mouth is Cedar class apparently is quite often smaller than market demands.
Maybe a few light A319s in a slightly less comfortable layout for those 'feeder' services at AMM & LCA or not far fetched destinations � la ATH, IST, CAI could work. They really should open (more) destinations in the Levant, Gulf, North Africa and Europe.

As some often say they aren't (or don't seem) interested in this and are building a niche carrier rather than a regional network carrier.



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User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

MEA is interested in focusing on its' regional network- destinations within 60 minutes flying time of Beirut. This is why they are considering Embraer types- a regional jet and even turbo prop types, as seen with the creation of a regional carrier between Syrian and Lebanese airlines. The A318 has been rumoured to perform very badly in these sectors due to it's weight issues.

I suspect that we will see Turbo props- maybe 2 or 3, operating between Beirut and Damascus, Latakia, Amman, Aleppo etc.

Regional jets from Embraer used for multiple flights to Amman, Istanbul, Larnaca, Athens, Baghdad and A319s used on busier regional routes such as Cairo, Doha, Kuwait, Tehran (not currently served).

The A319s could also operate to Europe, either adding additional capacity, reducing capacity where an A321 is too big, or opening new routes- Muscat, Tunis, Khartoum, Tehran, Brussels, Amsterdam are all destinations which an A319 can reach- and there is no reason that MEA cannot operate two different configurations between the two aircraft. Their offerings in J are pretty lavish, especially on short sectors, where a smaller pitch in both cabins would suffice.

This in turn would free up their A321s to add capacity within the region OR add new destinations in North Africa- Cotonou, Casablanca etc.

I guess we'll soon see- and it won't be over night!



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25 FlySSC : I don't think either MEA needs the A318. But MEA would need quite a few A319 to boost its frequencies and/or open new destinations on its regional/Me
26 BA : At the time of the merger (1963), Middle East Airlines (MEA) was a very well recognized name, much more well recognized than Air Liban which was stru
27 Post contains images Cedars747 : For me MEA is far better than Air Liban ,specially in the Arab world where Air is a bad word ! Alex!!!
28 Raffik : Can't be that bad.... Egypt Air Gulf Air Kuwait Airways Iran Airways Syrian Arab Airways Air Liban Trans Mediterranean Airways Iraqi Airways
29 B6sea : Looks like AF learned their cleaning techniques from SNCF!! -Chans
30 Post contains images BA : Hehe, nice one. Based on personal experience, trains get very dirty very quickly during wet weather. It's kind of like taking your SUV off-roading in
31 Soups : Caled them last week was put on hold for 20min, i was enquring for flights lhr-bey-acc-bey-lhr then lady on the phone said we don't fly to ACC. i rep
32 JGPH1A : Iran Air Syrian Arab Airlines.
33 Post contains images AirxLiban : Je suis d'accord avec toi
34 Post contains images Cedars747 : I said Arab world ! Alex!!!
35 Post contains images FOMEA : Its not a bad word. Ask Haifa. Regards F-OMEA.[Edited 2006-06-11 04:40:18]
36 Post contains images Cedars747 :                   Ino imagine calling Air Liban.Alo......Air Liban.....no Air Abou Abed Alex!!! [Edited 2006-06-11 05:10:21]
37 Soups : She would probably answer: El wawa
38 Raffik : I think she needs a bit more training! I don't know what Air means in Arabic- but it is used with airlines in the Arab World...
39 Post contains images FlySSC : "Air" in Arabic is a slang word for "dick" ... So it can't be that bad ! [Edited 2006-06-11 10:35:47]
40 Post contains images Raffik : Oh, that's interesting to know- and certainly useful for my next trip to Beirut (4 weeks! wooooo).
41 Post contains images FOMEA : Your above statement didn't surprise me at all. Regards F-OMEA.
42 Post contains images Cedars747 : Ash ! Alex!!!
43 GoMEA : Very interesting deal... Maybe they'll extend the concept to Thalys for BRU and AMS and Lyria (their swiss TGV service) to GVA and even ZRH ! (all wer
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