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Delta Using 767-200s On ATL-SVO Route?  
User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3015 posts, RR: 26
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7226 times:

My grandpa flew this route today, and when I went on delta.com to see his flight status, I noticed that it said the equipement was a 767-200. I checked a few days in advance and the schedules all show 767-200s. Is this a permanent change now? I'm booked on this flight next week, so should I expect a -300 or a -200?
I was under the impression that Delta flew -300ERs over to Moscow from both JFK and ATL.
So what exactly happened?

Aeroflot777

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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7212 times:

I see that. It is definately an error. DL does not operate the 767-200 anymore. All overseas flights are flown by 767-300ER's, 767-400ER's, and 777-200's. Very strange!

[Edited 2006-06-07 09:20:49]

User currently offline764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7212 times:

Did it actually say "Boeing 767-200" or did it just say "762"? In the latter case the code 762 is referring to the 767-300 they got from Gulf Air recently. Don't ask me, just WHY Delta decided to use the 762 code for this ship, but they did. So "762" is actually a B767-3P6 (e.g. N155DL).

User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7207 times:

Quoting 764 (Reply 2):
Did it actually say "Boeing 767-200"

That's what it says.


User currently offline764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7207 times:

One more thought - It could also be that Delta's own website translates the 762 code into "767-200" although Delta's CRS now uses that code for the 767-3P6 in 30/186 configuration.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7207 times:

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 3):
Quoting 764 (Reply 2):
Did it actually say "Boeing 767-200"

That's what it says.

If it is entered as that on the OAG site, that is because OAG recognizes the normal abreviations, not the intra-carrier ones.



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User currently offlineJr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 970 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6978 times:

I have an itinerary from AF for an upcoming trip with a bunch of DL legs, and 2 of my 767-300 flights show up as 767-200 on flights 118 and 119 (CDG-MAA-CDG). Its definitely an error. Not sure where that is coming from.


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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6968 times:

I've noticed this several times as well when tracking DL flights.

User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6950 times:

Quoting 764 (Reply 2):
the 767-300 they got from Gulf Air recently. Don't ask me, just WHY Delta decided to use the 762 code for this ship, but they did. So "762" is actually a B767-3P6 (e.g. N155DL).

Do these these Gulf Air aircraft have 2 entry doors, aside, forward of the wing? Similar to the 767-400 and 757.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3134 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6861 times:

Here is a legend for DL's timetable:

762 = 767-300ER (Ex Gulf Air with one less row of BizE)
767 = 767-300ER ("Standard" version)
763 = 767-300 (Domestic Version)

757 = 757-200 (Standard Domestic Two-Class Version)
752 = 757-200 (Former Song Aircraft, One-Class for now)

Confusing stuff. Keep in mind that all 767-200's have been retired from the fleet and are no longer operated by DL.


User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6815 times:
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Quoting 764 (Reply 4):
One more thought - It could also be that Delta's own website translates the 762 code into "767-200" although Delta's CRS now uses that code for the 767-3P6 in 30/186 configuration.

I think this is exactly what happens ... the 762 code is picked up by the website as a 767-200.

Mind you, go check the seating chart : it's really a 767-300.

This would be easily fixable by the website team, if they'd bother to ...

- litz


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4973 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6680 times:
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Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 8):
Do these these Gulf Air aircraft have 2 entry doors, aside, forward of the wing?

Yes, and thus only one overwing emergency exit.


User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3015 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6663 times:

Thank you to everyone for their help. I kind of figured it was probably a mistake. I know that DL used to send 767-200s to Moscow years back. Anyways, thanks for the clarification.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineGoomba From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6600 times:

I am flying SFO to ATL on Aug 11 and the equipment is 767-200 according to the seating chart that I had to chose my seats from on Delta.com. It did not say 762 - it really said (767-200).

User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4973 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6577 times:
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Quoting Goomba (Reply 13):
I am flying SFO to ATL on Aug 11 and the equipment is 767-200 according to the seating chart that I had to chose my seats from on Delta.com. It did not say 762 - it really said (767-200).

I assume you are on DL64? If that's the case, this may be due to the fact that flight 64 operates SFO-ATL-MAN even though there is an a/c type change in ATL. ATL-MAN is in general operated with the ex-Gulf Air 763ERs and are thus designated as 762 (in internal DL lingo); the seat map for ATL-MAN as a result says a 767-200 but shows a seat map for the ex-GF 763. The SFO-ATL portion, while saying a 762, is actually operated by a 767-400.


User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6577 times:
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Quoting Goomba (Reply 13):
I am flying SFO to ATL on Aug 11 and the equipment is 767-200 according to the seating chart that I had to chose my seats from on Delta.com. It did not say 762 - it really said (767-200).

The seating chart is labelled 767-200 .... however if you count the seats and look at the configuration, it's definately not a 762 ...

The presence of the 2L door, to begin with, is a dead giveaway ...  Smile

(as is the number of rows)

- litz


User currently offlineGoomba From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6520 times:

So what am I on - Aug 11th - SFO to ATL (Delta Flight 64)? Is this actually a 764? 49 rows in a 2-3-2 config? Seems like it must be a 764.

User currently offlineTeixeim From United States of America, joined May 2005, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

I've seen the now famous non-existent 762 scheduled for the ATL-GRU run and asked here as well. You would think the DL website team would fix this, but airplane geeks like us are probably the only ones that notice!  Smile

Cheers!


User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6260 times:
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Quoting Goomba (Reply 16):
So what am I on - Aug 11th - SFO to ATL (Delta Flight 64)? Is this actually a 764? 49 rows in a 2-3-2 config? Seems like it must be a 764.

Ok, I had thought you could easily tell the difference between the various 767 types ...

Obviously you can use the presence or absence of door 2L to see if you have an ex-Gulf Air 767 (the mythical "762" type) or not.

However, A/B'ing between a 764 marked flight, and a 762 marked flight, the web site is showing IDENTICAL seating charts for the two aircraft.

HUH ???????

Check on the web site (just go to reservations, select one way, and by schedule, for SFO-ATL on 8/11/06) and look at the seats available for the various flights listed.

Flight 473, a 767-300, marked as a 767-300. Standard DL 763, no door 2L, 47 total rows.

Flight 632, a 767-400, marked as a 767-400. Standard DL 764, has door 2L, mini coach cabin rows 10-14, and 49 total rows.

Flight 64, a 767-300, marked as a 767-200. Ex Gulf Air 763, has door 2L, mini coach cabin rows 10-14, and 49 total rows. identical layout to the 764

Very confusing ... how can a 767-300 and a 767-400 have identical coach cabin layouts? Isn't a 763ER shorter than a 764?

I checked the first class cabins, as well, and they're identical too ... in fact, to make things even MORE confusing, the 767-400 has 7 rows of normal first class, and the 767-300ER has 7 rows of business elite.

I have no idea how to explain this ...

- litz


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4973 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6226 times:
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Quoting Goomba (Reply 16):
So what am I on - Aug 11th - SFO to ATL (Delta Flight 64)? Is this actually a 764? 49 rows in a 2-3-2 config? Seems like it must be a 764.

Yes, the SFO-ATL portion of DL64 is on a 764 (7 rows in F and rows 10-49 in Y).

Quoting Litz (Reply 18):
Flight 64, a 767-300, marked as a 767-200. Ex Gulf Air 763, has door 2L, mini coach cabin rows 10-14, and 49 total rows. identical layout to the 764

Very confusing ... how can a 767-300 and a 767-400 have identical coach cabin layouts? Isn't a 763ER shorter than a 764?

I checked the first class cabins, as well, and they're identical too ... in fact, to make things even MORE confusing, the 767-400 has 7 rows of normal first class, and the 767-300ER has 7 rows of business elite.

Yes, it's confusing but it's not the same. The label of 767-200 is plain wrong and has been explained in the posts above, in internal DL lingo, it is the ex-GF 763ERs. However, in this case because flight 64 is a through flight SFO-ATL-MAN, the SFO-ATL leg got tagged with "Business" and 762 label (and even sells J, D - typical Business class inventory - in CRS) for the forward Premium cabin even though that cabin on the domestic leg is really a regular domestic First cabin.

The seat maps for both segments show the correct ones even though they may be labelled wrong (i.e., 767-200). The SFO-ATL map shows 7 rows of the 764 domestic F cabin, though it's labelled "Business" (as explained above). The ATL-MAN map shows an ex-GF 763ER configuration with 5 rows of BusinessElite and a Y cabin that starts from row 13 (as opposed to row 10 for the 764 Y cabin).


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6189 times:
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Quoting RwSEA (Reply 9):
Here is a legend for DL's timetable:

762 = 767-300ER (Ex Gulf Air with one less row of BizE)
767 = 767-300ER ("Standard" version)
763 = 767-300 (Domestic Version)

757 = 757-200 (Standard Domestic Two-Class Version)
752 = 757-200 (Former Song Aircraft, One-Class for now)

Where is that posted b/c this is what we use
757- Mainline Delta 757
75K- SOng 757
767- 767-200/300 non ER
763- 767-300ER
76G- 767-300 Gulf Air Version



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4973 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6176 times:
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Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 20):
Where is that posted b/c this is what we use
757- Mainline Delta 757
75K- SOng 757
767- 767-200/300 non ER
763- 767-300ER
76G- 767-300 Gulf Air Version

It's in the various CRS, as well as in the Delta schedules available through delta.com.


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6147 times:

Quoting 764 (Reply 4):
One more thought - It could also be that Delta's own website translates the 762 code into "767-200" although Delta's CRS now uses that code for the 767-3P6 in 30/186 configuration.



Quoting Jr (Reply 6):
have an itinerary from AF for an upcoming trip with a bunch of DL legs, and 2 of my 767-300 flights show up as 767-200 on flights 118 and 119 (CDG-MAA-CDG). Its definitely an error. Not sure where that is coming from.

This kind of liberal use makes it harder for everyone to follow the logic behind the selection of aircraft types. The original reason for the three letter code of airplanes and airports where because the airlines payed for each letter sent through the telephone network.

Where is the logic in using the 762 as a short for a special seated 767-300ER when everyone else uses that code as a short for the 767-200. It would be the same logic as if I where to use M80 as a short for a 737-800. Everyone would have thought that this would be the short fort the MD-80. Right? SO why take the liberty of using so many different codes for the same kind of airplane? There should have been a standard, so everyone could follow the logic behind these codes. This is what the programmer of the site has been doing. Every 762 code shows up as an 767-200. Now that more and more is web based the people who decide what kind of code to use should agree what kind of code to use.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6019 times:

Peple when it comes down to it, all the Delta 767-200's were retired. Remember the big Spirit of Delta final tour... end of story.


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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5875 times:
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Quoting Panamair (Reply 21):
Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 20):
Where is that posted b/c this is what we use
757- Mainline Delta 757
75K- SOng 757
767- 767-200/300 non ER
763- 767-300ER
76G- 767-300 Gulf Air Version

It's in the various CRS, as well as in the Delta schedules available through delta.com.

The Gulf 767's are allocated to routes from the regular 763 pool. They are not assigned to specific flights out of thier own pool. Most flights do not get an actual ship assigned until maybe a day before departure.



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25 Post contains links and images B777-700 : It was N191DN, which is no doubt a 767-300 View Large View MediumPhoto © Fabio Laranjeira - Contato Radar It's pretty simple really. Delta doen'
26 OyKIE : But why use the 762 code in the timetables if it is not a 767-200ER? Why not a 76P or something to indicate that it is a different seating config? Wh
27 FlyDeltaJets : The code for the gulf 763's is 76G that is the only code that I ever see on the FIDS for that type of a/c.
28 DAL767400ER : Essentially, reducing customer complaints. Different layouts mean different number of seats which could mean a seat change for a pax, difference in w
29 Litz : My point, though, was twofold : 1) why does DL use the 767-200 code on its website? We know they don't fly 767-200s anymore, so this just makes things
30 Desiguy2447 : It should be a 767-300ER. I just came back from flying Aeroflot in Biz, and Aeroflot uses the same aircraft as Delta to, and from IAD to SVO, and also
31 Goomba : To sum up my post, I'm thrilled to be on the 764 instead. Thanks everyone.
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