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Great 787 Article W/interior Pictures  
User currently offlinePDXflyer31 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 122 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14974 times:

Check out the current edition of the column that Captain Meryl Getline has on usatoday.com.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/colum...e/2006-06-05-ask-the-captain_x.htm

Some great info about the advantages of new technology used in the 787 as it relates to the interior cabin, with interior pictures of a 787 mock-up attached.

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User currently offlinePDXflyer31 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14946 times:

BTW, I absolutely love the interior shots. The windows alone would entice me to pay a premium just to fly on that bird!

User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 812 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14914 times:

I just came back from EWR yesterday with KL A332.
I spent about half an hour in the cockpit, and noticed that at FL380 our
cabin altitude was 6500ft. Doesn't seem like much of difference with the
announced 6000 ft of the dreamliner.
All the other features seem just amazing to me, also the windows without
shades will be great!!!


User currently offlineMaxQ2351 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14872 times:

Quick question:

Does anyone know the type of exit doors Boeing plans to put on the 787?? What I mean is, do they intend to put on the classic 747-type doors, the 777 "out-and-over", or the 767 mechanical?? I can't tell from those pictures, and most likely Boeing probably hasn't even decided yet, but if anyone knows, do let me know!!

-Max


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12135 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14757 times:

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 3):
Does anyone know the type of exit doors Boeing plans to put on the 787??

My guess is weight will decide this and some other refinement issues.

Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 2):
I spent about half an hour in the cockpit, and noticed that at FL380 our
cabin altitude was 6500ft. Doesn't seem like much of difference with the
announced 6000 ft of the dreamliner.

Most airliners today are capable of a pressure differential of 7.5:1. Meaning even up to 40,000', they can set a cabin altitude of 6,000'. This is normally not done because of the additional stress this pressure puts on the fuselarge, and cause additional inspections.

The different and strong material the B-787 will be made of will allow a 5,000'-6,000' cabin altitude up to FL450 on a routine mission. The normal pressure differential for the B-787 should be around 8.5:1


User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 976 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14398 times:

Maybe it's me, but the in the non Boeing pix, the cabin seemed awfully claustrophobic; not something I would have expected. The windows though are great. I still remember the amazing difference in window size going from a B-707 into the ultra-long tube of a DC-8-63 stretch (which, if I am not mistaken, was the first "heavy"). I'm looking forward to trying one out in the future.


"Trust, but verify!" An old Russian proverb, quoted often by a modern American hero
User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14253 times:

Good stuff but nothing tremendously new, although I did not know that the flight deck had optional colorization in the lighting. The new pictures are pretty cool. Love the architecture in the cabin, much nicer than your typical airliner.


One Nation Under God
User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1244 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14241 times:

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 3):
Quick question:

Does anyone know the type of exit doors Boeing plans to put on the 787?? What I mean is, do they intend to put on the classic 747-type doors, the 777 "out-and-over", or the 767 mechanical?? I can't tell from those pictures, and most likely Boeing probably hasn't even decided yet, but if anyone knows, do let me know!!

-Max

What are all these doors like? any pics? I would guess they will be 777 style as thats the most new design.



Sic 'em bears
User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14170 times:

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 7):
What are all these doors like? any pics? I would guess they will be 777 style as thats the most new design

Since it is a composite fuselage, they may have to do an all new door. Does anyone know?



One Nation Under God
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14118 times:

I know this has been discussed before, but it will really suck if F/As black out everyone's window on certain (i.e. overnight) flights...

User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14101 times:

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 5):
Maybe it's me, but the in the non Boeing pix, the cabin seemed awfully claustrophobic; not something I would have expected.

No, it's not only you !

Just compare the picture named File 24/41, from Boeing, and the picture 10/41. Obviously there is a trick ! Or it is an effect of the lens of the cameras (I am not a specialist) or the Boeing photo has been arranged, but I guess the 787 will not be as fantastic as they would like us to think (especially with 9 abreast in Eco !).



Avoid 777 with 3-4-3 config in Y ! They are real sardine cans. (AF/KL for example)
User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14074 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
Most airliners today are capable of a pressure differential of 7.5:1. Meaning even up to 40,000', they can set a cabin altitude of 6,000'. This is normally not done because of the additional stress this pressure puts on the fuselarge, and cause additional inspections.

I read somewhere that the cabin pressure actually is about 6000' at initial phase of the flight, then drifts towards 8000' towards the end of the flight. 787 is capable of handling 6000' all the way through out the flight, with and added bonus of higher humidity.

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 5):
Maybe it's me, but the in the non Boeing pix, the cabin seemed awfully claustrophobic; not something I would have expected. The windows though are great. I still remember the amazing difference in window size going from a B-707 into the ultra-long tube of a DC-8-63 stretch (which, if I am not mistaken, was the first "heavy"). I'm looking forward to trying one out in the future.

It certainly looks smaller than a 777, but I like the openness created by losing the dividing wall between the classes. It certainly adds more space perspective.

BTW does anybody notice that there are three seats on the window side in economy. Is this a 3-3-3 layout? if it is it looks comfortable enough with the two dudes sitting next to each other.

Cheers,
PP



One day there will be 100% polymer plane
User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3879 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14059 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
I know this has been discussed before, but it will really suck if F/As black out everyone's window on certain (i.e. overnight) flights...

I don't think many on this website would be too keen on that one...!


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14029 times:

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 11):
BTW does anybody notice that there are three seats on the window side in economy. Is this a 3-3-3 layout? if it is it looks comfortable enough with the two dudes sitting next to each other.

That picture shows a 3-2-3 version of 8-abreast seating.

The advantage of 3-2-3 vesus 2-4-2 is the former allows the aircraft to fill 62% of the seats before any two passengers must sit side by side, while passengers must sit next to eachother when 2-4-2 is only 50% full.

Since most airlines opperate with about 60-80% load factor, it allows more space per passenger.


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3879 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13976 times:

I'm probably going to get shot for this comment, but...

from the pictures, it looks like a 767 trying to be a 777!

Mind you, that's sorta what it is, right?  wink 


User currently offline87dreamin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13887 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):

Actually, the design is such that the FA will be able to darken the windows for night flight, but the pax will still have the ability to see out if he or she so wishes.

I'm not a windows engineer (or any other kind of engineer, for that matter) so I don't know how this is accomplished. But it's pretty darn cool.


User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13868 times:

It's just another tube, folks ...  duck 

Note the baggage bins - or lack thereof. The finished version will have to have central bins. On the pictures there are none. This will change the appearance of the cabin - and yes, it will look just like any other airplane cabin, except for the oversized windows.



- I am LN-MOW, and I approve this message.
User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13839 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 14):
from the pictures, it looks like a 767 trying to be a 777!

nothing wrong with that...



Airbus or Boeing - it's all good to me!
User currently offline87dreamin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13804 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 13):
The advantage of 3-2-3 vesus 2-4-2 is the former allows the aircraft to fill 62% of the seats before any two passengers must sit side by side, while passengers must sit next to eachother when 2-4-2 is only 50% full.

A big reason the interiors guys came up with for 3-3-3 in nine-abreast and 3-2-3 in eight is that a three-seat block increases the number of people made happy by an empty seat: If you have 2-4-2 -- AB CDEF GH -- and you fill AB CXXF GH, then Pax C and PaxF are happy to have an open seat next to them. (Think about it -- when you fly economy, aren't you happier/enjoy your flight more when the seat next to you goes empty?) If you have ABC DE FGH, and you fill AXC DE FXH, then Pax A, Pax C, Pax F and Pax H are all made happy by that extra seat.

Similarly, in 9 abreast, if you have ABC DEF GHI, and fill ABC DXF GHI, then Pax D and Pax F are happier; if you have AB CDEFG HI, and seat AB CXEFG HI, then, really only Pax C is happier.

So easier to gain customer satisfaction with no loss of space or revenue.


User currently offline87dreamin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13723 times:

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 16):
Note the baggage bins - or lack thereof. The finished version will have to have central bins.

Actually, there are central bins in coach. In biz/first, the side bins are so large that they can accommodate an extra-large rollaway (about 30 in. tall by 20 in. thick by an airline aisle wide -- these are my eyeball estimates, but trust me, the bags are big) for each passenger. So there will be no center bins in biz/first.

Here's a pic that shows the bin open with that extra-big bag.

http://boeingmedia.com/imageDetail.c...7&BuId=0&caid=0&prid=0&sc=med&pn=4


User currently offlinePetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13655 times:
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The problem with all new planes is the conceptual interior shown by the manufactures is not real. The airlines determine the interior they want so by the time the airlines are done it, it will be just as crampt as any other aircraft i'm afraid! Bums on seats i'm afraid.

I remember flying on Delta's first B777 ATL to LGW flight and during the taxi out the captain explained how technically advanced the B777 was. Didn't help me much sitting in coach with my knees around my ears!!!

 frown 


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6799 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13296 times:

quote=87dreamin,reply=15]Actually, the design is such that the FA will be able to darken the windows for night flight, but the pax will still have the ability to see out if he or she so wishes.

I'm not a windows engineer (or any other kind of engineer, for that matter) so I don't know how this is accomplished. But it's pretty darn cool.[/quote]

I believe it will be LCD-driven....

The electrical charge, with the push of a button, can darken the windows to block outside light from coming in, appearing largely opaque, but will still allow some transparency for peering outside from your seat.


User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12360 times:

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 11):
I read somewhere that the cabin pressure actually is about 6000' at initial phase of the flight, then drifts towards 8000' towards the end of the flight. 787 is capable of handling 6000' all the way through out the flight, with and added bonus of higher humidity.

Remeber, thats a Maximum of 6,000' Since it is electric, it doesn't "cost" that much to crank it down to 5,000' or 4,000'

People are just starting to catch on to the cabin pressure issue, but for corporate aviation, this has been a *big* selling point for the Gulfstream V series of aircraft for many years now. I have any transatlantic legs on both G-III pressurized to 6,500' and G-Vs set at 4,000' I was a big non-believer, even in denial for the first dozen flights or so, but it was hard to argue with the results: *everyone* I know who has experienced the pressurization comparison raves about the lack of fatigue and jet lag on the G-V vs. the G-III.

I know that the vast majorit of folks reading this post are skeptical, and they have not had the chance to experience long haul with lower cabin altitudes. I can't point to any scientic papers or such - mainly because I don't want to spend the time searing the web to look them up. I already *know* that it works.

Everytime I try to explain it to someone who is an aviation enthusiast they look at me with scepticisim. I guess it would have been hard for George Washington to believe that one day a 747 would fly over Mt. Vernon too...

All I can say is after you fly on a 787 (or G-V) you'll understand - and be a beleiver too.



My happy place is FL470 - what's yours?
User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11975 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 21):
The electrical charge, with the push of a button, can darken the windows to block outside light from coming in, appearing largely opaque, but will still allow some transparency for peering outside from your seat.

I don't think there is much to peer if no light is coming in, no matter whether a curtain or a LCD is blocking the light.


User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11281 times:

Quoting TGV (Reply 10):
Just compare the picture named File 24/41, from Boeing, and the picture 10/41. Obviously there is a trick ! Or it is an effect of the lens of the cameras (I am not a specialist) or the Boeing photo has been arranged, but I guess the 787 will not be as fantastic as they would like us to think (especially with 9 abreast in Eco !).

Obviously a trick.  Wink

File 10/41 looks like it was taken from a point of obstructed view (note the obstruction to the left of the photo). It also uses a lens providing for a rather narrow FOV while File 24/41 is taken with a wide-angle (note the same obstruction is within the FOV but just barely). File 24/41 also lacks center overhead bins in the business class cabin, and that has a dramatic effect, especially since it appears in File 10/41 that said bins are almost touching the pictured fellow's head. And speaking of pictured people, the fact that File 10/41 has people in it blocking the view of the aft cabin also affects the appearance of roominess, or lack thereof.

I'd say File 10/41 misrepresents what the actual cabin will feel like. I'd say File 24/41 also misrepresents what the actual cabin will feel like.

Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 2):
just came back from EWR yesterday with KL A332.
I spent about half an hour in the cockpit, and noticed that at FL380 our
cabin altitude was 6500ft. Doesn't seem like much of difference with the
announced 6000 ft of the dreamliner.

"All aircraft today must set cabin altitude pressure at about 8,000 feet, or 2,440 meters, to prevent the slow destruction of the fuselage's aluminum skin. Setting the pressure at a more comfortable 6,000 feet would cut the life of an aluminum airplane in half. And adding some humidity to the cabin would rust some parts, like fasteners. "

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/01/11/business/AIRBUS.php

"Andries reveals that the redesigned cabin is a significant element of the programme, saying: "We have decided to make a quantum jump in passenger comfort." He adds that Airbus will offer cabin humidity levels of 15-20% and a typical cabin altitude of 6,000ft until the late stages of long-haul flights, when higher flight levels are usual practice."

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...gation/240/198871/A+cut+above.html

According to what you said the A330 can already do what Airbus was going to introduce as part of a quantum jump in passenger comfort in the A350 - made possible, according to Airbus, because of the advanced materials to be used in the A350.

Perhaps the 6500 was an initial setting?


25 Bohlman : I should certainly hope that the 787 differential will be higher than 8.5. I mean, the maximum continuous differential on a 727 is 8.6, with a struct
26 Rheinbote : Anyone noticed how poorly the overhead stowage compartment bins and the PSU channel items align? If you watch closely, gap width is varying considerab
27 Phxplanes : I hate how they only show first or business class in the models. I wish they would show what economy will look like. With less seats it automatically
28 UA772IAD : I read her article yesterday. Great pictures, and info. One thing I learned from it, was the shade-less windows, thats pretty cool. Also, the window i
29 DTWAGENT : I love this plane. Can't wait to fly on it.......
30 Post contains links ATLflyer : Follow the link in this post...it has some great pictures of the 787 as well! Boeing's Showroom (by 87dreamin Jun 8 2006 in Civil Aviation)
31 Wjcandee : I thought that her explanation of bleed air and the "performance bonus" from an all-electric system was a bit gushy and overstated, but, hey, she'd ju
32 UA772IAD : You're probably partially right. But if I were the only pilot in the US, and 1/8 in the world to go on an all expenses paid trip to learn and "experi
33 PDXflyer31 : That's an interesting thought, it hadn't crossed my mind to think of it that way. But I think they picked her mostly because she is not only a UA B77
34 MD-90 : One of my favorite touches of all is the addition of a window in the lavatories. And when the plane is on the ground? Ground sensors in the landing ge
35 Wjcandee : You have to remember that at a major airline of the stature of United, there is a lot of interaction between the pilots (usually through their union
36 Post contains links Khobar : Could be. I see the same sort of thing in the A350 mock-up pics, e.g.: http://www.airbus.com/store/photolib...object_image_lowres_A350_29_mr.jpg and:
37 Post contains links and images JumboForever : I've absolutely no idea of what's the normal setting or if this shot it at the beginning of the flight, but this pictures shows a cabin altitude of 6
38 UA772IAD : Yeah I know, I just felt like I had to say that so people don't jump down my throat saying, "pilots don't make the decisions, etc."
39 Type-rated : Speaking as a a.nutter (along with a few others here) I have seen this mock up in person. The ceiling lighting is really jillions of LED's that can be
40 UA772IAD : I agree, Type rated. Tell me, am I the only one who thinks that the entire open cabin, no Galleys or Lavs in the entrances thing will be abolished by
41 Type-rated : I must be behind the times, but what is the " no Galleys or Lavs in the entrances thing"?
42 IAHcsr : When you board an aircraft, what's the first thing you see.... Boeing's mock-up doesn't have either in the area of the boarding door. This may look g
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