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Virgin Atlantic Increase HKG To Double Daily  
User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9687 times:

According to a thread on V-Flyer, VS have confirmed (internally it seems) a second daily flight to Hong Kong.

Here are the details:

VS328 DEP LHR 2035 ARR HKG 1705 A340-300*

VS329 DEP HKG 0120 ARR LHR 0710 A340-300*

*Flights will begin on November 1, originally thrice weekly then increasing to daily in Feb '07.

Source: V-Flyer

73 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9673 times:

Thanks Concorde001, great to hear VS will begin double daily HKG  Smile

Good to see the VS A340-300 back in Hong Kong  Smile

Any other new routes on way soon, I'm still hoping for BKK, ORD, YYZ, MEL and GIG  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9657 times:

Yes, as expected. They have been slow in doing this, as putting on a second daily LHR-HKG is the solution to solving the problem of sub-par loads on HKG-SYD, but they were short on aircraft so it couldn't be helped.

So, by next next Feb HKG-LHR will be served 11 times daily/77 weekly.

Cathay Pacific - 4 daily, 2 744s + A340s
British Airways - 3 744s daily
Virgin Atlantic - 2 daily A340s
Qantas - daily 744
Air New Zealand - daily 744

So 7 744s & 4 A340s ply this busy route.

Hkg82.


User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9615 times:

I have always wondered, why is traffic between HKG and LHR getting busier...especially now that Hong Kong is no longer a British colony and many British expats have already left HK.

Is the growth driven by higher demands for the Kangeroo route? Or is it simply a case of more O&D between Hong Kong and London?


User currently offlineAirsnaps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9577 times:

Truly excellent news to learn recently that Air New Zealand will be starting the HKG route as of 29th October this year with the B744.

It is however a disgrace that VS have decided to use their now ageing A343 for the second daily operation.


User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9569 times:

Both the Kangaroo & growing O & D traffic. For example about 50% of CX's traffic to/from LHR comprise of transit passengers.

However in regards to the O & D market, yes, it's growing on all counts, even though the British no longer rule HK. There is an influx of British businesses & expatriates to HK thanks to China's economic rise & in general business links between the UK & HK are at an all-time high. And the number of HKers who are visiting the UK on business & leisure is growing fast too. A recent study showed Hong Kong students made up the largest share of foreign students in British private schools (second were German students..WTF?).

Yields have remained stable due to the sheer number of business passengers that travel between London & Hong Kong but I wouldn't bet on any more flights between HKG & LHR in the future, else there will be over-capacity.

Hkg82.


User currently offlineEbbUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9550 times:

yipee great news, now I can plan my VS journey to oz with ease.

User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9550 times:

Quoting Airsnaps (Reply 4):

How many A346s are arriving by the end of the year? I guess they will be used to replace the A343 on the more prestigious & more profitable North American routes?

But regardless, the -300s will eventually be phased out completely, they will either be sold or transfered to Virgin Nigeria. This will probably be done by end of 2007?

Hkg82.


User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9515 times:

Quoting Airsnaps (Reply 4):
It is however a disgrace that VS have decided to use their now ageing A343 for the second daily operation

They're not that old! The earlier VS A343s have been sold/retired from the fleet and the only ones remaining were delivered in 1997/98.
By the time the second HKG flight starts, all of VS' A343s will have the new Upper Class Suite installed with bar etc, so it's not that bad.


User currently offlineAmhilde From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 643 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9410 times:

HK is also quite near some major industrial centers I believe.


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User currently offlineStarGuy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9396 times:

The bad thing about us putting a A343 on the route is the entertainment in economy. It's the old style system and not so great for the passengers. But as previously stated, the A343's will all leave the fleet in the next year. A346's all the way!!!

User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9358 times:

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 10):
But as previously stated, the A343's will all leave the fleet in the next year. A346's all the way!!!

Really?
Why would VS spend alot of money upgrading the J cabins of their remaining A343s (which began late last year and continue this year) if they are going to be sold next year?
I thought VS decided not to upgrade the A343s which were due to leave the fleet (G-VAEL, G-VBUS, G-VSUN) and instead upgrade the A343s which would remain in the fleet for a few more years?


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9281 times:

This one was long coming, and as expected operating along the same double overnight pattern as the existing LHR-HKG-SYD-HKG-LHR flight. HKG is in dire need of extra capacity from VS, and failing to provide the extra flight the airline would stand to lose out big time against the others plying the route. The linking of SYD to the existing HKG route 1.5 years ago was likely not one of VS's smartest corporate decisions, but that has been discussed here over and over again.

User currently offlineStarGuy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9231 times:

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 11):
Really?
Why would VS spend alot of money upgrading the J cabins of their remaining A343s (which began late last year and continue this year) if they are going to be sold next year?

Sorry, I was being flipant. G-VAEL should be Nov this year and BUS and SUN have gone to Nigeria so there should only be five Left I believe. They are always flying to Lagos, Delhi and Mumbai so I can't imagine they would stick around that much longer


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9221 times:

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 11):
Really?

I don't think they are, I think its just a selected few. For example some have gone to Virgin Nigeria, and some (don't know how many) will go to Finnair!

Some of VS's routes will stay A343's such as LOS!

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineSQNo1 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9195 times:

The timings are a bit suprising in my opinion. My suggestion would have been a departure time from London at around 12:00, arriving Hong Kong 06:30 the next day.

And the return from Hong Kong at 09:00, arriving back into London mid-afternoon, just to give more flexibility for the passengers.

Just my  twocents !

With Regards,
Alex.B


User currently offlineChristeljs From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 533 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9109 times:

I thought the flight to Hong Kong were a A340-600 that continued to Sydney. What's going on?


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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9093 times:

Quoting Christeljs (Reply 16):
I thought the flight to Hong Kong were a A340-600 that continued to Sydney. What's going on?

It is, the A340-600 flight does and will continue to fly to SYD! The new A340-300 will just stop at Hong Kong  Smile

Quoting SQNo1 (Reply 15):

I agree with you, I prefer your timings much more  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9060 times:

Of course it is great that VS are increased HKG flights from LHR, but what about some flights from the regions? Namely MAN, possibly with Cathay Pacific? And whats the latest on Oasis Airlines and their plans to serve LGW?

Also how have VS got the LHR slots? Bought them or reducied the frequency of another route?



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User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9054 times:

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 13):
They are always flying to Lagos, Delhi and Mumbai so I can't imagine they would stick around that much longer

They fly to New York too. The reason why the A343s fly to DEL and BOM are because the A346 is not certified to fly to these airports...it's too large!

[Edited 2006-06-07 22:31:39]

User currently offlineChristeljs From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 533 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9032 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 17):
It is, the A340-600 flight does and will continue to fly to SYD! The new A340-300 will just stop at Hong Kong

At least that's clarified.



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User currently offlineSQNo1 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9032 times:

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 19):

Heathrow closes at 11:30pm, so no scheduled departures or arrivals are allowed after this time.

Errrrr, i meant 12:00, as in lunchtime. Sorry for not making it clear though!

With Regards,
Alex.B


User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8995 times:

Quoting SQNo1 (Reply 21):
Errrrr, i meant 12:00, as in lunchtime. Sorry for not making it clear though!

Sorry, my mistake! I've edited my post.


User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2083 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8964 times:

As these additional flights will be to take some of the O&D traffic away from the LHR-HKG-SYD flight to allow more passengers to fly LHR-SYD, VS won't have wanted to great a difference on timings otherwise there would be the risk passengers off the existing flight wouldn't use the new service.


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User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8778 times:

Quoting Airsnaps (Reply 4):
It is however a disgrace that VS have decided to use their now ageing A343 for the second daily operation.

Must be even more of a disgrace that BA use even older B744's on the route too.  sarcastic 

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 13):
They are always flying to Lagos, Delhi and Mumbai so I can't imagine they would stick around that much longer

They are now back on the JFK route on the VS003/VS004 rotation since the DXB has now gone daily on an A346.

Quoting Humberside (Reply 18):
Also how have VS got the LHR slots? Bought them or reducied the frequency of another route?

They are probably the slots that they have had for a while that were previously used for the 2nd LOS service that operated from time to time, and were then used for Virgin Nigeria for a short time. VS have had a number of slots that they have been unable to use due to lack of a/c and so have leased them out to other carriers until such time as a/c became available. IIRC they even leased some out to BA !!!.

 Smile



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25 MotorHussy : Any chance of the second VS flight going on through to MEL or perhaps AKL? Regards MH
26 Zkpilot : Yes it will be mostly thru traffic AKL-HKG-LHR to take thru pax off the AKL-LAX-LHR route.. but being the only *A carrier to fly HKG-LHR will be a go
27 Kiwiandrew : do they ? on what route ?
28 Zkpilot : LAX-LHR and I'm pretty sure they do on some others also... FF points partners also.
29 NWDC10 : Would this be a good "2xA380" Route when Cathay Pacific gets their A380's? Robert NWDC10
30 Post contains images B742 : Nope, CX havn't ordered any A380 as of yet! The most likely to fly A380's on this route is either VS or QF! (Doubtful with QF) Rob!
31 VHVXB : QF's A380 will be tired up flying to LAX and LHR via SIN. But it would be great to see VS have their A380 fly to SYD. MEL would be good now that BA d
32 7LBAC111 : Nope they don't you need to check your info. NZ codeshare with UA on this and other routes. 7L (Back for a little while longer.....)
33 Lufthansa : I don't know, QF have a MEL-HGK-LHR service that is pretty popular, and i would be highly surprised if some of the A380s didn't also start melbourne
34 Zkpilot : Well I work for NZ and last time I checked LAX-LHR was operated with metal from both carriers and codeshare was in place. VS also codeshares on other
35 Firipu : The new flights are on amadeus and will operate on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays from LHR as VS 238, and Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturday from HKG a
36 RoseFlyer : If VS scheduled its flights like that, it would be using some of the most valuable slots at LHR, since they are the ones that are used for TransAtlan
37 Carledwards : Hi everyone, I may be wrong, but did Virgin not operate two flights per day (well on most days of the week at least) prior to the SARS crisis? I thoug
38 Kiwiandrew : I know that they are in each others FF programmes , but if they are actually codesharing then they are doing a remarkably good job of keeping the new
39 Post contains images Raventom : I can't believe how popular this route is! Also considering the vast number of people travelling to HKG via European carriers. What happened with CX's
40 Zkpilot : mmm been trying to look that up here online, been a while since I've seen codeshare numbers I must say... I believe VS008 is a flight LAX-LHR that wa
41 NWDC10 : From reply #30, thank you Rob for the corection. I thought they ordered the A380. I goofed. Robert NWDC10
42 MotorHussy : Always good to keep that Kangaroo on its toes. And to give the flying public better options, otherwise it's ONEworld only. Regards MH
43 7LBAC111 : And it'll be a while before you find them mate. NZ do not codeshare with VS. They do have reciprocal FF benefits though. THis from their website: Our
44 Nzrich : I know that Air New Zealandhas sold a lot of air packages in New Zealand to fly to the UK that utilise both Virgin and NZ's services they are not cod
45 Post contains images Gemuser : Where did you see/hear that LHR would be via SIN? Last I heard that had not been decided. It is possibile that MEL-LHR could be via HKG or SIN and SY
46 VHVXB : I was reading a newspaper article in the SMH about QF and the future of Australian Airline workers. It had a slight metion about the A380 and destina
47 Fly2CHC : Air NZ is going to get slaughtered on the HKG-LHR-HKG route! It's going to have to rely heavily on end-to-end traffic (AKL-LHR-AKL). Still don't under
48 Ozvirginuk : Exactly. No codesharing in operation. VS do operate the "Great Escapade" ticket in conjuction with NZ and SQ, each sector bears the flight number of
49 7LBAC111 : And for me to visit both HKG and SYD for the first time, as your nominated friend/colleague! 7L
50 OHLBU : Actually just one, msn 058 which will become OH-LQA. The rest of Finnair's future A343s will be brand-new A343Es.
51 Carledwards : does anyone have an answer, yes or no!? Thanks
52 AF022 : Did VS dump a flight at LHR to get such a desirable arrival slot at LHR?
53 A340Driver : HKG was double daily 3 times per week and ceased around 9/11, I cannot remember the exact date. NO VS routes are being dumped for expansion, VS have s
54 StarGuy : Airbus 340-300 BE GONE!!!! economy is an embarassment!
55 ZK-NBT : Nice to see positive comments. Why exactly do you think this? Anyway good to see VS can finally add a second daily HKG-LHR!
56 Xwizard : I'd ask the same question too. Whilst the outbound flight (HKG-LHR) doesn't have the best timing for HKG users (there's a reason why 2 x CX, 3 x BA a
57 Gemuser : As the ONLY Star Alliance carrier on this very busy route I think this is highly unlikely! I think you will see them pull *A traffic that currently m
58 Fly2CHC : I have to start by saying I'm really impressed with the round-the-world service they are offering, and indeed Air NZ's recent initiatives towards rou
59 ZK-NBT : I agree that most travelling AKL-LHR on NZ will be put on the new service via HKG and that is part of the plan anyway. I wonder how it will affect lo
60 Gemuser : This comment confuses me! Fifth freedom is pick up traffic in other country and carry it to a third country without going to your country first. Whic
61 Fly2CHC : My point precisely. For passenger travelling the HKG-LHR-HKG legs with Air NZ, that is it. One of the advantages CX and BA have with the volume of th
62 Gemuser : At least i now see what you are on about! Sixth freedom traffic has never been much on NZ or QF for that matter because there nowhere to go beyond NZ
63 MotorHussy : Totally disagree and think you are entirely underestimating NZ's poll position at the start of this race going into the lineup as the only STAR allia
64 Fly2CHC : KUL - MH have a monopoly on the route with an average of 2 1/2 flights per day. The demand for UK/Malaysia traffic has increased dramitically in rece
65 Cloudyapple : So is CPA getting anything in return for ANZ's fifth freedom?
66 StarGoldLHR : am I missing something but I thought the A330 only has a range of 4500 miles ? Hows it going to make HKG from LHR ? 5500 miles away ?
67 Fly2CHC : Air NZ will be operating the B747-400 on the route. Can I take it from your user ID that you are a Star Alliance Gold member? If so, would you make a
68 ZK-NBT : I no it is the winter but MH are only flying to AKL 5x weekly 772's now, they get some Asian traffic like SQ but most of it is Europe bound. I'm sure
69 MotorHussy : Quite, so you may look back at Reply 47 and view it as the histrionic outburst that others saw?!
70 MotorHussy : Assuming you're talking about CX or Cathay Pacific Airways. Yes, well they already get sixth freedom rights to take passengers on through from New Ze
71 Fly2CHC : Does an airline/country require specific bi-lateral approval for sixth freedoms? E.g. if PAL decided to enter the Auckland market, surely the rights
72 Gemuser : This is some what of a grey area! Usually MOST countries dont worry too much about it because it is not significant, BUT it can be, eg OZ-Insert Asia
73 Nzrich : I think you are forgetting about BMI its major base is LHR with them selling the LHR-HKG on NZ metal you have a BIG passenger base in the UK ...
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