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What Happened To American's Hubs  
User currently offlineThomacf From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 542 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

What ever happened to American Airlines hubs at Nashville and Raleigh? I know they shut them down a few years ago but why?

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User currently offlineOkforalll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

System Overcapicity.

User currently offlineTan Flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1904 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 11 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

Simple, they were not profitable.

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (13 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

Neither were profitable, nor big enough. AA is probably kicking itself today for not sticking with RDU though, as this would have enabled them to build a much
stronger East Coast presence that could have offset UA's growth at IAD, US at
PHL and CLT, DL at ATL, and CO at EWR.



User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (13 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

I think another reason is that AA wanted to make better use of its assets and redeployed that equipment to build up the MIA hub.

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 476 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (13 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

I don't think RDU ever got a fair shot from AA. I thought it strange at the time that AA built two new hubs reasonably close together-- therefore both were subscale and competing against each other. Had AA only picked RDU, maybe it would have been profitable. RDU has: excellent location geographically, great weather (i.e. few delays), little congestion, and the demographics of this market are quite good for O/D traffic. A little known factoid is that RDU has more O/D than Charlotte (Even before the arrival of SWA), even though Charlotte has a huge hub there. This is an upscale, well educated, highly mobile community. JI has very ambitious expansion plans here, with the aircraft on order to back it up, and contrary to popular opinion, they are ONLY a low fare airline when they compete with SWA, otherwise they are as expensive as the rest ($850 walkup fare to LGA for instance).

User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (13 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

ncflyer hit it on the nose!

User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (13 years 11 months 22 hours ago) and read 1763 times:

isn't there a flight from raliegh to london that AA operates daily?
blink182



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineDeltaRNOmd-80 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 11 months 21 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

Blink182, LoL, good one  

User currently offlineN-156F From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 11 months 21 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

Yes, Blink182, there is. AA Flight 301 operates out of Raleigh/Durham, and flies to London Heathrow on a daily basis. It's operated by AA's new A3XX jets.  

User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (13 years 11 months 21 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

AA operates RDU-LGW daily with a 767-300ER. This route is left over from the hub days.


727, L1011, MD80, A300, 777-200, 737-300, 737-700, 747-400, 757-200, 737-800, A320. E190, E135, 767-200, CRJ9
User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3466 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (13 years 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 1735 times:

RDU lost its survival rating with the purchase of Eastern's MIA hub. BNA lost its survival to the decision to protect ORD and DFW hubs during mid-90's.

Both were marginally profitable at their peak, but both didn't make enough profit compared to other more lucrative operations elsewhere.




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User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 476 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

While I don't have any Hard data, most local frequent travelers will tell you that the RDU LGW flight is subsidized in some manner by Glaxo Wellcome, US HQ in RTP, WW HQ in London. We RDU locals call the flight the Glaxo shuttle.

Can't imagine this flight would exist otherwise, as it's often empty, and almost ALWAYS available at charter rates. Furthermore, the flight has no feed, since AA has no hub here anymore.

Wonder if anyone out there knows the details of the subsidy. Even my travel agent says it's subsidized somehow.


User currently offlineSn330 From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 16 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 1708 times:

Evidently, the LGW flight must be doing good if American has kept it there this long. They withdrew LGW-BNA service several years ago.

User currently offlineN960AS From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (13 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

In AMR's anual report for 1999 there's a time line and for 1995 they state "Operations in Raliegh/Durham and Nashville were scaled back and resources shifted to more productive hubs."
In June I flew AA from LAX-DFW-RDU, it was a 763 and there was no change of planes in DFW. In RDU there was only one other AA aircraft, another 763 but a bunch of Midways.
Also on a side note at RDU I saw an A310 that said "State of Qatar" or something. Anyone know what that was doing there?


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