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Possible AA LAX International Routes?  
User currently offlineBALAX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6491 times:

I remember when working for AA in the mid-90's, someone from management indicating that AA was very interested in routes from LAX to GRU, MEX and can't remember other ones, but those were the main ones. Now this was when AA was trying to do their first push at International flights from LAX (I was hired to cover some of these). Initial routes not counting LHR were(in order of start dates):

LAX-SJO(nonstop axed in the Summer of 95 then tagged to LAX-SAL)
LAX-SAL(became LAX-SAL-SJO later)
LAX-GUA(axed in fall of 95)
LAX-GDL(started as 3 or 4 flights a day, then cut to just 1 redeye and now completely gone)
LAX-ORY(transferred later to CDG)

Now LAX-SJO came back for 2 years in a row(2004 and 2005) but I don't see it on their winter schedule. With the situation that Varig is facing, I think there's a void for AA to start LAX-GRU nonstop as a tag on to their NRT flight. I mean using LAN thru LIM to get to GRU is not necessarily the most convenient way in terms of using One World. Any thoughts on potential AA LAX Intl routes? Maybe MAH can help on this?

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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6485 times:

LAX-SJO is a seasonal flight that operates starting december. Maybe they just haven't updated the database yet. Personally I hope AA upgrades LAX-SJO to a year round service, even if not daily. Maybe this way they could fill the void that UA left after axing the GUA-SJO leg of their LAX-SJO flight.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6485 times:

LAX-Brazil market is low-yield, and I don't think there will be major rush to fill it if Varig leaves. Besides, AA has no additional US-Brazil frequencies, and concentrates them out of their MIA/JFK/DFW operations.


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User currently offlineBALAX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6479 times:

I forgot to add the routes that are still being flown:

LAX-LHR(2x Summer)
LAX-SJD(2x)
LAX-YYZ(used to be 2x in Summer)
LAX-NRT
LAX-SAL(restarted in 2004)

All others are codeshares.

hmmm..did I miss any?


User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6442 times:

Do they fly LAX into LHR ?
Also would a LAX MAN/BHX service be viable with a 767 or 777 ?


User currently offlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4507 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6432 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 4):
Do they fly LAX into LHR ?

Indeed they do, daily 777 year round with an extra daily flight in the summer.



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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6408 times:

Thanks. how bout LGW ?

User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6383 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 6):
Thanks. how bout LGW ?

Hi Joe, currently there are no LGW-LAX direct scheduled links from anyone!  Sad

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 4):
Also would a LAX MAN/BHX service be viable with a 767 or 777 ?

I think MAN more so than BHX, although I would love BHX-LAX  Smile
I think there has been talk of west coast to MAN flights for a while now, I think FlyGlobespan is a possibilty, I don't think AA is intrested in LAX-MAN, I could be wrong though!

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6294 times:

There was a lot of competition on the LAX-Central America Routes. United flew a daily flight LAX-GUA-SJO. I was on it once. Also, Aviateca flew daily, TACA and, I believe, LASCA, also had daily flights. Frequencies were added during the Christmas Season to accomodate family travel.

User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6292 times:

They did try for the LAX-MEX route last year but DOT awarded it to Alaska.

User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6283 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 7):
I think MAN more so than BHX, although I would love BHX-LAX
I think there has been talk of west coast to MAN flights for a while now, I think FlyGlobespan is a possibilty, I don't think AA is intrested in LAX-MAN, I could be wrong though!

Heya Rob !! enjoying the weather ??
Yeah I know MAN has been after some long haul Westcoast services for a while n was thinking BMI would be the carrier for the job but alas no.
I think LAX to BHX would be quite a nice littel earner with a 767 for AA

Though I doubt if AA couldnt fill a 767 on the Chicago route then a LAX route would most likely also be out of the question... (siiiiiiigh)  Wink


User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6255 times:

AA are apparently taking on more staff at MAN in order to increase their operations in to Manchester. Manchester is in desparate need of a west coast USA service, so maybe we will see at least a three times a week Los Angeles service? Would be great to fed in to other AA and QF services.

User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6193 times:

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 11):
Would be great to fed in to other AA and QF services.

yeah could see this as being a 1 center break option...
people wanting to go to SYD/MEL but taking a break in LAX instead of the regular BKK/SIN stops..

Shame AA hasnt returned to BHX yet... would love to see them again even if its just a 757 daily winglet service.


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6177 times:

Quoting BALAX (Reply 3):
hmmm..did I miss any?

Dont forget that AA also flies LAX-SJU on the weekends with a 763.

Drew



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2915 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6132 times:

There is chatter on this forum about AA applying for LAX-PEK or PVG during the next US/China bilaterals. In addition, many on A.net speculate AA would enter the LAX-KIX market if they had the aircraft. Maybe they would have a shot at Nagoya again if they had some Toyota business. I could see AA being more aggressive in the LAX-Asia marketplace if they had the aircraft.

However I would like AA to capitalize on their South American dominance and send a few 757's LAX-South America (LAX-BOG? LAX-LIM?). Of course the dream would be Sao Paulo but that's unlikely. This business is low-yield but I would think the cargo could add to the profitibility of the flights.


User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6081 times:
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Indeed, TA flies from LAX to GUA, SAL, and SJO non-stop, sometimes with 2-flights depending on the season. Now with the AA/TA code-share ending, AA won't have access to these flights anymore, so it will be interesting to see if they pick up their own schedule to GUA/SJO....(they already serve SAL pretty well).

User currently offlineBALAX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5899 times:

Like I said AA has been flying LAX-SJO the last 2 years on a seasonal basis, the question is , is it coming back this Winter? Also, LAX-SJU is not really an International route.

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24893 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5886 times:

LAX-SJO is a marginal route as it primarily has to rely on US tourist.

Unlike the remainder of Central America which have huge communities in LA, the Costa Rican one of the smaller groups leading to reduced demand for ethnic travel.

This is one reason UA dropped the SJO tag on its LAX-GUA flight as places like GUA, SAL have significantly more demand then SJO.

In addition TACA for the most part runs the smaller A319 on the nonstop SJO legs instead of the A320 as demand is simply less.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5868 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 13):
Quoting BALAX (Reply 3):
hmmm..did I miss any?

Dont forget that AA also flies LAX-SJU on the weekends with a 763.

He didn't, since San Juan is domestic. The route is a now a 757, though.



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User currently offlineMGA From Nicaragua, joined Mar 2005, 726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5727 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 17):
In addition TACA for the most part runs the smaller A319 on the nonstop SJO legs instead of the A320 as demand is simply less.

I think they run the A319 because they need the legs... Anyways, LR flies the LAX-GUA-SJO flight which carries the rest of the passangers to SJO. Thats why they eliminated the secon A319 run.

Quoting Dartland (Reply 15):
Indeed, TA flies from LAX to GUA, SAL, and SJO non-stop, sometimes with 2-flights depending on the season. Now with the AA/TA code-share ending, AA won't have access to these flights anymore, so it will be interesting to see if they pick up their own schedule to GUA/SJO....(they already serve SAL pretty well).

They also fly LAX-MGA on Mondays and Thursdays during high season. Will be interesting to see what AA does on the LAX- Central America market, but I doubt it will want to play to much with UA and TA, especially now that they are partners...

MGA



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5604 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 7):
I don't think AA is intrested in LAX-MAN, I could be wrong though!

I agree with you. If AA cant make MAN-MIA work with their MIA hub I dont see how they can make MAN-LAX work into a focus city that can offer far less connections, even with AS taken into account



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User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5539 times:

Because nobody wants to fly from Manchester to Latin America or the southern USA, that's why! Whereas there is a demand for passengers to LAX and AUstralia and New ealand......simple!

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5519 times:

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 21):
Because nobody wants to fly from Manchester to Latin America or the southern USA, that's why!

There has been some demand for MAN-MIA. Just low yielding cruise traffic



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24893 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 21):
Whereas there is a demand for passengers to LAX

A LAX-MAN simply would not work, especially for an airline like AA.

Remember back that BA for several years tried a MAN-LAX service using a B763 with terrible results. There were many days in the winter that the aircraft would go out with mere 50-70 passengers.

While there might be a good deal of summer tourist demand to visit California, this is not something that will pay AA's bills. The route has minimal premium cabin demand which is the primary driver behind new routes AA would consider.

Keep in mind AA could not even make LAX-Paris work, I cant even begin to see how a LAX-MAN would ever work for them.

Now on the other hand, I'd venture to guess that BMI might have the best shot of running a MAN-LAX service then any other carrier at the moment.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5408 times:

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 21):
Because nobody wants to fly from Manchester to Latin America or the southern USA, that's why! Whereas there is a demand for passengers to LAX and AUstralia and New ealand......simple!

And that explains why the flights averaged good load factors and Thomas Cook flies MIA-MAN?

There is plenty of demand, but not high-yielding enough for AA. MIA-MAN or LAX-MAN are perfect bmi routes, 2-3x a week.



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25 Centrair : Totally. ORD-NGO was just not the best place to start. LAX-NGO would have been a much better option. There is a large Japanese population (not as big
26 Humberside : bmi will not be expanding long haul at MAN. To be blunt, MAN-USA is a stopgap until they can fly LHR-USA. If there is EU-US open skies they will pull
27 DFW13L : What about splitting a 767 between DFW and LAX. DFW-MAN 4 x week and LAX-MAN 3 x week? AA used to have DFW-MAN in the 90s, summer service. MAN sort o
28 PRAirbus : AA LAX-SJU is still a 763 and it becomes daily on high season. Rumor is it will be converted to a 757 but it has not happened yet (thank God!).
29 Jacobin777 : even with PK's 2x/weekly and AA's daily MAN-ORD, I've heard BD's MAN-ORD is one of their better performers......
30 MAH4546 : It was a 757 earlier this year and becomes a 757 again this fall.
31 N1120A : That flight was dropped quite a while ago yes No LAX is a Heathrow gateway. It would be nothing short of idiotic to fly LAX-LGW. Further, if any of t
32 MAH4546 : LAX-SFO is mainline and has always been mainline. The only time Eagle has ever flown the route has been on weekends, occasionally. LAX-LAS gets mainl
33 Humberside : I dont know how well its doing but bmi will drop it in favour of LHR-US if they can
34 N1120A : They also delayed Tokyo by what, 4 years? Further, they dropped Paris and Guadalejara, the latter being a particularly strong route out of LAX. Meanw
35 MAH4546 : One year. You are only looking at what they have ended. The fact remains that AA has seen net growth at LAX over the past five years, so saying they
36 Jacobin777 : it wasn't a "failure" in the strictest sense of the word...even after the Toyota contract loss, the route was still making money....since the yields
37 Laxintl : AA's operations in LA have been like an accordion having peaked following the AirCal and Reno Air mergers to only decline a few years later. However e
38 N1120A : That is the whole point. 150 more flights at an airport that already has more flights that it needs from them.
39 BALAX : Quoting N1120A (Reply 31): Quoting BALAX (Thread starter): LAX-ORY(transferred later to CDG) That flight was dropped quite a while ago The routes that
40 Laxintl : UA has repeatedly switched its West Coast-Paris gateways between LAX & SFO. Lousy yields. While its a rather sizable market from California its near
41 Post contains images Jacobin777 : very interesting..I didnt' know they plan on doing that...AE is quite a large enough of an operation out of LAX.....I wonder what they will do....
42 BALAX : The design of LAX is just like that of the freeways in Los Angeles. Poorly designed and planned by the department. Funny that we can project populatio
43 Laxintl : Yes, this begs the bigger question of how important a West Coast AE network is to AA? Unlike United's UAX operation which serves both for mainline co
44 AAden : what about AA to Asia hong kong or Beijing
45 MAH4546 : IIRC, they've never switched them around. SFO-CDG had been around for a while, but LAX-CDG was always on/off. Of course, now UA doesn't fly to Paris
46 Laxintl : No its always only been a single flight.. UA960/961 to CDG which was switched around twice between LAX & SFO with the last 5+ years at SFO before bei
47 Jacobin777 : I'm not sure if giving up on the smaller markets in the most populated state in the United States is the best idea.. take a look at SJC...while AA ha
48 Humberside : They would need the aircraft for LHR-US They've always wanted to fly LHR-US, Its why they originally ordered their A330's. Look at it like a route fl
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