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Airbus A380. It's Progress.  
User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 67
Posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 25682 times:

Well not all has gone rosy for the A380 program but here are just some of the many achievements that the A380 has managed since it's inaugural flight.

18 May 2006

Leaving Berlin where it stars in the air show, the A380 made its first landing in London Heathrow, marking the official opening of the new Pier 6, which has been built to accommodate the new aircraft.

10 May 2006

For the first time in a new programme, volunteer passengers test cabin facilities in advance of the early long flights

7 May 2006

The first A380 to enter into commercial service with Singapore Airlines performed a successful first flight on 7 May from Toulouse-Blagnac.

27 April 2006

One year ago, the A380, Airbus’ 21st century flagship, performed a majestic and successful first flight. Four A380s have now flown.

Aviation history was made one year ago on April 27, when the first A380, the world’s largest commercial aircraft, carrying the registration F-WW0W, successfully performed its maiden flight leaving Blagnac International Airport in Toulouse, France at 10.29 hours local time (08.29 UTC) from runway 32L.

Since this first flight, four A380s have flown. Two of them are actively involved in the intensive flight test programme, two others are undergoing cabin installation in Hamburg.

Pilots from customer airlines have begun flying the aircraft alongside Airbus crew, ahead of commencing formal training.

The A380 programme achieved a number of key milestones in 2006: The 1,000th flight test hour was passed in March. The same month, the evacuation test was successfully completed in Hamburg, Germany.

High altitude tests were completed in Medellin, Colombia in January and were followed by cold weather tests in Iqaluit, Canada in February. A number of airport compatibility tests have also been conducted.

The aircraft wowed crowds during a successful Asia-Pacific tour in 2005 and was also the star of both the Dubai and Singapore air shows.

The A380, the largest commercial airliner, is designed to carry an average of 555 passengers in a three-class configuration. The aircraft offers airlines unmatched possibilities for commercial differentiation and to take advantage of these possibilities, most customers have announced a cabin configuration under the maximum number of passengers.


30 March 2006

A group of pilots from Air France recently got the chance to fly the A380 for the first time in Toulouse.

29 March 2006

The European Aviation and Safety Agency (EASA) and the American Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) validate 853 passengers as the maximum passenger seating capacity for the A380-800.

27 March 2006

Lufthansa pilots have recently had their first chance to experience flying the A380 for themselves.

26 March 2006

Airbus successfully completed the passenger evacuation trial on its development A380, paving the way for the certification of the aircraft in time for delivery by the end of 2006.

17 March 2006

Ahead of their formal training, pilots from the A380 launch customers have been offered the chance to experience the aircraft first hand, accompanied by Airbus pilots and flight test engineers.

10 March 2006

The A380 has come a long way since its first flight on 27 April 2005 and this week Airbus celebrates a total of 1,000 flight test hours.

14 February 2006

The A380 test aircraft has returned from Iqaluit, Canada, where it successfully completed the cold weather test campaign. It is now preparing to head for Asian Aerospace ’06 in Singapore

01 February 2006

The first of four Engine Alliance GP7200 engines has been installed on the fifth A380 test aircraft at the Final Assembly Line in Toulouse, France. A380 customers can select either the Rolls-Royce Trent 900 or the Engine Alliance GP7200 engine.

27 January 2006

The A380 has reached another key milestone on the road to certification with the successful completion of high altitude tests in Medellin, Colombia, followed by further tests in Guadeloupe


13 December 2005

Following a commitment announced in January 2005, Atlanta, Georgia-based UPS has formally signed the contract for A380 freighter aircraft.

24 November 2005

The A380 was the star of the 2005 Dubai air show, attracting a large number of visitors on board and during its daily flight displays

18 November 2005

Following the first airport compatibility tests at Frankfurt airport, Airbus has successfully demonstrated the A380’s compatibility at four more airports during the recent Asia-Pacific tour.

18 November 2005

The no. 1 A380 today completed its successful Asia-Pacific demonstration tour, which previewed what the future of flying will be when this 21st century flagship enters commercial service.

4 November 2005

Third A380 joins the two development aircraft in certification campaign. This aircraft will be the first to be fitted with a full cabin and will be used for cabin and cargo systems development and certification.

29 October 2005

The A380 flew to Frankfurt to perform ground handling tests, the first time the aircraft has landed at a major commercial airport. Tests were conducted with the assistance of Lufthansa which is one of the A380 launch customers and predominantly consist of demonstrating the ground handling capabilities of the aircraft, typically performed between two intercontinental flights.

18 October 2005

As the second A380 completes its successful maiden flight, the first A380 has passed the 100th flight mark and is in fact ahead of the test programme schedule.

11 October 2005

An important milestone in the development of the A380 Freighter was reached this month with the first carbon “cut” on the centre wing box.

05 October 2005

Extreme static testing on the A380 aircraft has now reached the halfway point. This means that more than 50 percent of all static tests needed for the certification campaign are complete.

13 September 2005

Engine Alliance’s engine for the A380 successfully completes 134 hours of flight time in its second flight test campaign, demonstrating its readiness for flight testing on the A380.

1 September 2005

The A380 structure will undergo the equivalent of 900 flights a week in fatigue tests which will push the structure to its limits, testing the airframe’s response to flight stress.

17 August 2005

Singapore’s Changi Airport has welcomed its first A380 – a four by four metre scale model, unveiled at an event to mark the recent completion of the airport’s first A380-ready gate.

13 July 2005

An A380 equipped with a special tail bumper has performed a series of low speed take-off tests to determine the optimal slat and flap settings for commercial service.

15 June 2005

Kingfisher Airlines has become the first Indian carrier to sign a firm contract with Airbus for the A380 as well as for the A350 and the A330. The order is for five A350-800s plus five A380s for intercontinental services, and five A330-200s for regional routes.


16 May 2005

The first metal cut for the wing of the new freighter version of the A380 started on 16 May has been carried out in the UK. The A380F, the largest commercial freighter ever, will enter into service approximately two years after the passenger version.

27 April 2005

The first A380 to take to the air landed at Blagnac international airport in Toulouse, France at 14.23 local time (12.23h GMT) after successfully completing a first flight that lasted three hours and 54 minutes.


Air France 10 + (4 options)

China Southern Airlines 5

Emirates 43

Ethiad 4

FedEx 10 + (10 options)

ILFc 10

Kingfisher 5

Korean Air 5 + (3 options)

Lufthansa 15 + (10 options)

Malaysian Airlines 6

Qantas 12 + (10 options)

Qatar 2 + (2 options)

Singapore Airlines 10 + 12 (options)

Thai Airways 6

UPS 10 + (10 options)

Total firm orders: 159
Total Options: 70
Total Order + Options: 224

If any one would like to contribute more please do so.


Aviation Is A Passion.
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User currently offlinePM From Namibia, joined Feb 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 25650 times:

WINGS, thanks. It's not all "doom & gloom", however much some people may want it to be!

Care to speculate on what comes next?

Further orders this year - either direct sales (Asiana?) or leases (SAA? Air China?) are likely.

And what's left to overcome?

* Getting the "new" wing approved.
* Separation issues.
* Satisfying customer specifications in time for delivery.
* Getting the A380-800F back on track.
* GP7200 flight tests.

By this time next year it should have been in service for six months and both engine variants delivered. I wonder how the programme will look then.

User currently offlineJohnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 25606 times:

Hi Wings,

a very nice summary!

Probably one picture is missing.The LH A388 from the ILA2006...

Johnny  Smile

User currently offlineLuxair From Luxembourg, joined Jan 2001, 877 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 25422 times:

 bigthumbsup  for you Wings for the very nice summary you've done! I wish Airbus especially the A380 and future versions good luck & and many successful sales  Smile

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 25042 times:

Way to go Wings!!!

Enjoyed every pic and reading about The Empress.

Micke//SWE  cloudnine   wave 

Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineUAL747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 24982 times:


Nice post. How is the plane's actual vs. planned performance figures stacking up? I think since we haven't heard anything from the current customers that things are looking good. Does anyone know?


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 15640 posts, RR: 100
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 24962 times:

That was a sweet summary.

Does anyone know the Status of the GP7200 testing? I'm managed to lose the pulse on this.

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Further orders this year - either direct sales (Asiana?) or leases (SAA? Air China?) are likely.

I'm very curious about this... However, its almost traditional for customers to see how the EIS goes. (See real fuel burn, etc.) I'm also very curious as to what the operational differences will be between the Trents and the GP7200's.  Smile


"They did not know it was impossible, so they did it!" - Mark Twain
User currently offlineGoAibusGo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 279 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 24861 times:

WWOW, WINGS very nice post with the all the pictures.
I'm glad to see the (slow) progress of the A380, can't wait to see it in person one day.

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 24846 times:

Nice overview Wings!

Quoting UAL747-600 (Reply 5):
How is the plane's actual vs. planned performance figures stacking up? I think since we haven't heard anything from the current customers that things are looking good. Does anyone know?

Not sure, I have doubts about the quick introduction & certification of the GP engines. In todays new Airbus & Singapore say everything is going ok:

"At this time, the delivery schedule is the one we're committed to and the one we're sticking to," Burger says.

Derrick Loh, a Singapore Airlines engineer and inspector based in Toulouse, agrees with the manufacturer's assessment.

"It's proceeding as planned," says Loh, who says there have been minor problems, but nothing major recently.

Tests so far have largely met expectations and even produced a number of pleasant surprises -- such as a lower than expected approach speed and good handling characteristics with virtually no buffet, even at the edge of the aerodynamic envelope.


User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1610 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 24783 times:

Very nice Wings... enjoyed your summary... 2007 should be a very interesting year... Airlines will prove the A380... The 787 will take shape! Can't wait!!!!



Airbus or Boeing - it's all good to me!
User currently offlinePM From Namibia, joined Feb 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 63
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 24749 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 6):
I'm very curious about this... However, its almost traditional for customers to see how the EIS goes.

True but Airbus have 'promised' a couple of new customers this year. They've done so before and delivered. My guess is that we'll a see a few more sales at Farnborough.

User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 24702 times:

I am sure the 380 will be a very comfortable aircraft in which to fly -- I can't wait for my opportunity!

But gosh, don't those passenger windows look small? Can we demand bigger windows please!?

User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 24629 times:

Excellent summary. Set out like that its history looks much more impressive than the patchy coverage of it overflying Filton, or arriving Sydney, or Heathrow or whatever. And nice to see the evacuation test with two lines and a pic put in some sort of context. What was the fuss about on airliners.net? When will more appear on performance? And what of the wing?

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 24402 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 12):
What was the fuss about on airliners.net?

IMO, the ongoing "fuss" in the A.net threads is not without some basis in fact, as evidenced most recently by comments from Tim Clark of EK, which is, after all, the most significant customer of the A380, regarding the "progress"/status of the program, which seem less than enthusiastic, perhaps even somewhat skeptical:

Clark also says Airbus faces “huge hurdles” to meet its April 2007 target to deliver the first Engine Alliance GP7200-powered A380, of which Emirates is launch operator. “I don’t believe for a moment it won’t be tough,” he says. “So far, it’s so good, but cabin integration is an enormous challenge. If it is looking to go beyond that time we have asked them to be as candid as possible with us. But nothing would surprise us.”


Meanwhile, Emirates, which was the only non-package carrier or leasing company customer to hold firm orders for the A380F (the other customers are FedEx, United Parcel Service and International Lease Finance), has switched its contract for two freighters to the passenger version, taking its orders to 43 aircraft, plus two on lease.

“Final definition and specification freeze were proving elusive,” says Emirates president (airline) Tim Clark. “We needed to protect our delivery positions and switched the order to the passenger version. Once the freighter is ready, we will have another look.”


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 24037 times:

Thanks for the great summary,Wings - it is so far a major achievment despite some setbacks in timing.
In ten years nobody will remember the missed deadlines of the A380,and passengers will equally enjoy their flights in the RRJ95,787,A370 and A380..
Everybody on this forum know about the complexities of a new transport system.
Why can't some just enjoy the fact a new plane is born....

Please respect animals - don't eat them...
User currently offlinePbottenb From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 24005 times:


Nice - The farther (further?) along this bird gets the more I like the way she looks. I have to admit that I hated her at first, but like a lot of women I know she is growing on me... The Singapore and Emirates liveries are particularly nice..


User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 6603 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 23919 times:

Great summary Wings! I can't wait to see it in flight in person. It is an amazing aircraft.


I don’t know that I am unafraid to be myself, but it is hard to be somebody else. -W. Shatner
User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 23558 times:

Not to stir things up, but it seems to me that it takes an awful long time for A380 from first flight to EIS. I summarized a while ago, the time needed for each of Boeing's first in the family prototype from first flight to EIS. It spans between 10-12 months, including the first 747.

A380's first flight was in April 2005 with EIS is projected to be in December 2006. That is a good 19 months from first flight to EIS. I know it is "the most complicated" commercial aircraft ever flies. However, It takes almost twice the amount of time needed for flight testing, which is a pretty long time for me.

I do not know what is the norm in Airbus's aircraft families, but I bet it is not far from Boeing's.

Any ideas?


One day there will be 100% polymer plane
User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 23489 times:

Nice overview, thanks. What's the next major milestone on the horizon?

New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlinePipoA380 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1619 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 23335 times:

Excellent Wings! Nice to look back in the history of the 380!

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 17):

I think it's just such an innovation that it needs more time. It's so big, so full of new things, and it's the first full 2 deck planes, it just needs more fine tuning I guess. Oh well, it may take longer but I think it's good to have long flight test to be sure all is really fine.

Anyway, can't wait to see it fly commercially!
Best regards,

It's not about AIRBUS. it's not about BOEING. It's all about the beauty of FLYING.
User currently offlineRaventom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 22973 times:

I have become wiser now that I have read that neat progess report. Thanks!

I love the smell of burnt kerosene!!!!!!!!!!!!
User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 22739 times:

Quoting PipoA380 (Reply 19):
I think it's just such an innovation that it needs more time. It's so big, so full of new things, and it's the first full 2 deck planes,

There have been others....the Douglas C124 Globemaster II is one that comes to mind and the Convair XC99 is another. There's also a Breguet airliner of the fifties that was a double decker.



User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1734 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 22664 times:

You've missed the 6 Virgin Atlantic orders from your post.

User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 873 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 22583 times:

Thanks Wings. Having seen the A380 in person at ILA in Berlin, your summary brings back some sweet memories. I can't wait to see the baby (ahhem ... however large she maybe  Smile) fly.

I accept bribes ... :-)
User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 22378 times:

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 22):
You've missed the 6 Virgin Atlantic orders from your post

From the grapevine, VS are not getting the A380 any more. Official announcement will be in due course, but look for an order conversion to A330s.

I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
25 FL370 : BTW does anyone have any new pics of the A380 with the GP7200? whats the size difference between the RR engines and the GP7200??
26 474218 : What type of math do they teach in Portugal? In most of the world 159 + 70 would equal 229.
27 ER757 : NIce history lesson Wings - good job. Can't wait to see the big bird on this side of the pond....won't be too long now. While I doubt it will make an
28 Travelin man : Umm... what? Are you serious? Is the "grapevine" for real, or is this just another a.net rumor we should discard?
29 PlanesNTrains : You just couldn't leave well enough alone, could you? I thought so before, but the pic in this thread of it make the 380 look, well, whale-like, whic
30 Post contains images Tigerotor77W : A great post! Hope all goes well in the next few months -- these upcoming years will be very interesting indeed in the world of commercial aviation (a
31 TrevD : Same 'grapevine' says a certain package delivery company that likes to put brown paint on their aircraft will not be taking theirs as well. Supposedl
32 Elvis777 : Howdy all, Well I was on travel (ERJs are not my favorite) and now I am back. Also I am amazed at how md83 still flying with AA after 22 years. Dougla
33 Rick767 : I heard aircraft performance was the reason VS didn't want them any more. Turns out they are really no cheaper to operate than a 744. Nothing is 100%
34 PlanesNTrains : If this were true with oil at $70+/barrel, then how would they have compared from a CASM standpoint if oil were (again) at say $40/barrel? Maybe that
35 Picard : The A380 was designed to have a CASM 15-20% lower than the 747-400, I am pretty confident Airbus will be able to meet these targets. CASM is lower but
36 Baroque : Surely - there is room for fuss. The A380 is a big program and it seems to be quite a big plane (joke!). I was just suggesting that looking at Wings
37 Post contains images WINGS : Thanks for all the kind words folks. Hopefully this small summary will help us all understand the certification process just a little better. Well poi
38 Aeroplan73 : That sort of sounds questionable, no offence intended. It is hard to imagine a world with A380's not in Virgin colours. The aircraft is perfect for t
39 Baroque : Look, we are an unimportant country and we like being blamed because it gets us attention. But how did we do that? For my part I assumed that your ma
40 BCAL : I agree. It would be a blow to the A380 project and also a complete U-turn by Branson. However, why did the A380 that visited LHR not appear with tem
41 A520 : BTW, how is the status of certification by now? How many hours of flight done? What does remain on the menu? Any likely certification date? Thanks[Edi
42 RichardPrice : This rumour has been doing the rounds for about 4 months now, and according to multiple sources within Virgin it is false.
43 Post contains links Leelaw : By last Friday, A380s had logged 1437.5 hours in the air on 415 flights as it moves closer to certification. Officials say the flight test program is
44 Post contains images Rolfen : The a380 is starting to become part of our world
45 Post contains links and images WINGS : I should have explained by self better. I studied in Australia and not in Portugal Well keesje provided us with a good link in regards to your questi
46 Rick767 : Clearly it depends who you talk to in Virgin! My source is recent and reliable. As we all know, Branson loves his publicity and will seek it at any e
47 RichardPrice : Someone had better tell their training department then, because pilots are still receiving training on the A380....
48 Art : Good work, Wings. Will we be seeing the bird at Lisboa? Ate logo.
49 Rick767 : 2.5 - 3 years before Entry Into Service? SIA only started their A380 pilot type rating training early this year for EIS late this year. Do you know w
50 RichardPrice : Just clarified it with my friend, and its Virgins internal training team putting together the training package for other pilots, still active as of l
51 Aerosol : Well it didn't have a LH sticker when it came to FRA. As we are going to a bearish economy and high oil prices I could imagine some managers get more
52 Elvis777 : Hi Baroque!! I agree (with an some reservations). A detailed and thourough discussion on the issues that are facing the 787 (whatever those may be) an
53 Post contains images WINGS : Thanks for the kind words Elvis777. If you take another closer look at the first post you will notice that I wrote the following. Well not all has go
54 Baroque : Yes, well that could be a problem, mind you it tends to be the system more than the potential of either the maths teachers or the students, but a dis
55 474218 : Thought it may have had something to do with the metric system? The Lockheed XR6O-1 Constitution which was a full double deck, pressurized transport
56 Elvis777 : Hi Baroque, Well then we are definetely in agreement - at least on certain things. You may have not found this a lovefest for the whalejet but the ini
57 Post contains links and images WingedMigrator : Dedicated to Elvis777 (Thanks to Dimitris for permitting temporary usage of his photograph.)
58 Glacote : How much are you ready to bet on this one? I like especially the "conversion to A330s" part... Is it air you are breathing?
59 Baroque : I dont think I saw it - but then I realised unless you keep a detailed track things that are there one minute may not be the next. Asking about delet
60 Post contains images A380Heavy : The separation between the A380 and the 744 behind looks mighty small - so all of those stories about a new class being required for the 380 must be
61 Rheinbote : IMO it has nothing to do with cultural problems between the various sites. Its an Airbus communicaton problem in general - being overly reactive and
62 Post contains images HAWK21M : Well Illustrated Post. The A380 will get its place after it proves itself like the B747 did regds MEL
63 Br343 : Fantastic Post Wings. Regards
64 Elvis777 : Hi wingedmigrator! Oh my god, that is blasphemous!!! I think I need therapy after seeing that image. Just kidding folks. Although I am sure that broug
65 Post contains images WingedMigrator : Sorry I shocked you. I hope this hasn't earned me a spot in the pantheon of Airbus tubthumpers... I just wanted to spread the love a little more. Dar
66 Baroque : I knew about the 36 kg (or maybe a bit less if built-in from new) fix. Just I am still wondering how this will go in terms of approval processes. I w
68 AvConsultant : I wonder what the penalties to the operators will amount to?
69 NYC777 : Airbus needs to be thinking in terms of loss not profit that the A380 program will generate because of: 1) financial and other penalties 2) added cost
70 Post contains images PM : That somewhat random selection of A.Net posters may not be quite as homogenous as you may assume. But you paint with a broad brush and the nuances an
71 DAYflyer : And another just announced delay of 6-7 months on a number of frames.....
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