M180up From El Salvador, joined May 2006, 403 posts, RR: 6 Posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5909 times:
reading my bulletins yesterday we got a new one saying service to KIN and SDQ from FLL will be dropped if i remember correctly on september 9th, any info about this? there wasn't more info on the bulletin, is still pending
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5906 times:
Yes, it is true, but US Airways will still fly to Kingston on Saturdays from Charlotte (definitley not going to last) and to Santo Domingo on Saturdays from Philadelphia.
America West management never liked the FLL focus city. Now only LGA, MCO, and EYW are left.
PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2601 posts, RR: 10 Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5802 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1): Now only LGA, MCO, and EYW are left.
I thought CUN was still served as well. Daily A319, IIRC.
Nkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2544 posts, RR: 6 Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5790 times:
Wasn't the whole FLL focus city thing a Baldanza thing before he came to NK??
Quoting M180up (Thread starter): reading my bulletins yesterday we got a new one saying service to KIN and SDQ from FLL will be dropped if i remember correctly on september 9th
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3375 posts, RR: 18 Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5684 times:
How about FLL-CUN? I heard that is going away too but isn't listed here...
Kkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5559 times:
Really a shame. US Airways strategy has shifted with management shifts and quite frankly AA wasn't going to allow another legacy to come into their territory. We will see if NK can make it for the long haul on these routes or if eventually they pull back as well.
I do have to say though if an airline cannot make FLL-KIN work, they aren't trying hard enough. While most people from Latin America and Carribean prefer MIA even if they live in Broward, the Jamaicans that I know in Miami-Dade prefer FLL and obviously so do the Jamaicans in Broward. I guess US is just pulling the plug on FLL altogther, so hopefully they'll give up some gates and allow Jet Blue or WN to expand.
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3375 posts, RR: 18 Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5535 times:
yea, I see this more of a strategy change versus poor performance on the flights. US just doesn't have the aircraft to do what they need to do there.
Evan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5493 times:
Excellent news for Delta who just started this route.
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
Delta787 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5493 times:
They really have cut back in FLL. I was just looking through a really old newspaper that had an advertisement with a map of all the new routes that were being started from FLL.
Kkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5453 times:
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 7): Excellent news for Delta who just started this route.
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6049 posts, RR: 25 Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5424 times:
DL just inaugurated service to KIN. However, US's cancellation of FLL-KIN won't do much to help Delta. The FLL-KIN route was mostly O+D with minimal connections.
DL's ATL-KIN will rely heavily on connections if the route is to survive.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5234 times:
Quoting PVD757 (Reply 4): How about FLL-CUN? I heard that is going away too but isn't listed here...
The route is staying. I don't expect FLL-CUN to be discontinued, but never say never. FLL-CUN was existed before the US Airways' minihub.
Also the latest wild (and I won't believe it until I see a PR) rumour going around is that US might be doing some minor international expansion out of MIA when the new Star terminal comes around. We'll see, I don't buy it, but it has been going around.
Hawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5189 times:
Quoting M180up (Thread starter): correctly on September 9th, any info about this?
September 2nd
Quoting Nkops (Reply 3): I guess thats good news for us!!
Not that good DL is on the way
Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 5): US Airways strategy has shifted with management shifts and quite frankly AA wasn't going to allow another legacy to come into their territory.
AA had nothing to do with it, it was really HP management and NK combined with customs facilities not built to handle the flights and it was doomed from the start.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12): The route is staying. I don't expect FLL-CUN to be discontinued
FLL-CUN is going to Saturday only service
Overall FLL will go down to about 20 flights, off topic but today flight 706 is operating as a 767 something you will not see US do at FLL for probably a very long time
Evan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5168 times:
I am sorry. I meant to say Delta just started this route out of ATL, not FLL. I said it might be great for Delta because they have a big prescence in florida and can route the FLL pax up to ATL and down to KIN.
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
Hawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5152 times:
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 14): I said it might be great for Delta because they have a big prescence in florida and can route the FLL pax up to ATL and down to KIN.
Ualcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 482 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5061 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12): Also the latest wild (and I won't believe it until I see a PR) rumour going around is that US might be doing some minor international expansion out of MIA when the new Star terminal comes around. We'll see, I don't buy it, but it has been going around.
The rumor I've heard is that per agreement with Miami-Dade County, Star must have minimum 35 flights out of the new terminal. I 've counted the following (although I could be off by a few):
Total - 30, provided RG stays afloat. As it's unlikely that any international carrier would add flights to reach the 35 minimum, it would be up to UA or US. Given that I'm a former MIA UA employee, all my rumors come from UA sources and I've heard that UA might make up the slack with a few TED flights out to the West Coast. Again, all pure speculation.
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3099 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5045 times:
MD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7 Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5024 times:
Well US should just give up on the FLL focus city, they've basically just given up on it.
Actually at one point the focus city looked like it had a bright future as a point where US could fly to points that relied on O&D traffic that couldnt be served elsewhere in the US system. Also for people in the South Florida region who wanted a alternative to AA and MIA..
AC is four flights - 3x YYZ and 1x YUL. However, June through September, only 2x (YYZ and YUL on SaSu).
Varig is schedule is very inconsistent, but never more than two daily flights. US does not fly MIA-NAS, those are codeshares with Bahamasair, and MIA-LAS is 1x daily.
UAL is supposed to re-start MIA-SFO this fall, from what I hear. Daily 757 or 319 to connect with trans-Pacific, it is supposed to be TED.
MD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4999 times:
Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 17): Since when does US have 5 flts from MIA-NAS?
They don't, they are part of the codeshare with Bahamasair(UP)..When the FLL focus city was announced, USX(PSA) was going to fly FLL-NAS/PLS with CRJ's.
Ualcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 482 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4885 times:
Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 17): Since when does US have 5 flts from MIA-NAS?
Didn't realize it was a code-share. Sorry.
So, if you reduce the 5 flights (and 1 to LAS), and make adjustments for RG's and AC's changing schedule, we're talking about 23 to 26-ish Star flights from MIA. If the 35 flight rumor is true, who do you think would pick up the flights? UAL bringing back MIA-SFO would be great, and I could see an additional IAD given the expansion there.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4744 times:
Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 21): So, if you reduce the 5 flights (and 1 to LAS), and make adjustments for RG's and AC's changing schedule, we're talking about 23 to 26-ish Star flights from MIA. If the 35 flight rumor is true, who do you think would pick up the flights? UAL bringing back MIA-SFO would be great, and I could see an additional IAD given the expansion there.
Well, UA could definitley beef up. It is pathetic they only have two dailies to IAD and ORD in the first place. They should be at least 3x daily each. DEN could probably handle a third daily as well. Bring back LAX and SFO, and boom, UA is at 11x.
NADC10Fan From United States of America, joined May 2005, 164 posts, RR: 11 Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4254 times:
I must say, as a regular flier out of FLL, I regret this news. I've flown US from here on a variety of occasions, and the experience has always been good. For the airline industry, I suppose that reduction of capacity is necessary thing - but I can't say as I really want to see it in my home. In fact, from US I was hoping for the opposite, so I could perhaps catch some of their more 'interesting' aircraft. Ah well, will just have to do that in other ways, I guess ...
TANSTAAFL!
25 Bomber996: Well... this dramatically decreases my options for SDQ. My family owns a house outside of SDQ and now it looks like we will be left with just a week o
26 Nkops: I meant strictly out of FLL. You won't fly NK??? It's a 321.. can't be that bad!
27 M180up: its the same flight that is coming from kin, the routing is kin/fll/lga checked my bulletin just a few seconds ago, its sep 5th, but we still have in
28 Hawk44: So did I, DL is rumored to start international flights from FLL in the near future. Overall the flight may not be that bad but arriving in FLL on a 3
29 Etops1: i just sent an e-mail to scott kirby our vp of marketing on this. i really hope they do not f-up the sdq service. at least move it to daily service ou
30 TOLtommy: The problem is that there are much higher yiuelding markets that these aircraft would be better utilized on. KIN and SDQ are both leisure and VFR mark
31 FlyMIA: SDQ and KIN are not leisure markets. There is very little tourist traffic to the airports, hence they have limited US service. PUJ and MBJ, respectiv
32 Dj1986: Swiss isn't flying ZRH-MIA daily, only 5 weekly.
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