RichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 26867 times:
Unidentified Customer Unidentified Unidentified 747-8 GE 30-May-2006 1
Use the 'User Defined Reports' option to the left of the chart and select '747-8' option.
Still, what the hell is someone going to do with 1 of a new model? Do the -8s retain enough commonality for one to slip into a current fleet with zero extra cost?
DeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 26867 times:
WTF? Sure enough, it sas one 747-8, total of 19. How could this have been missed?
On top of that it says 61 unfilled orders total, at thier current rate of 12 per year, thats FIVE YEARS OF PRODUCTION. If they double thier rate to 2 a month, it is still over two years of production.
Oh well, cant link a custom report...
[Edited 2006-06-08 22:58:24]
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IMatAMS From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 298 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 26792 times:
just one aircraft... what does that mean? More to come from same source, or options, or is it an executive aircraft. Hard to imagine an airline buying just 1 of a new aircraft..
Spartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 466 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 26700 times:
I think a 748 would look GREAT in Air Force VIP colors for the Presidential fleet!
Jonathan L From United States of America, joined May 2001, 169 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 26700 times:
I don't think we can afford a new Air Force One, and I'm sure if they were buying it, they'd buy at least two of them. Boeing is getting enough funds from the government already as it is.
Airwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 26619 times:
Perhaps this would go to NASA or GE or someone similar as a testbed aircraft? Or maybe they're just building one for their own testing purposes? If that's the case, would they still report it on those order pages?
Airwave
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DeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 26556 times:
Quoting YOWza (Reply 17): I'm guessing Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal for reasons I can't share.
I wont post it for fear of a shameless repost, but I snapped a pic of a UAE 747SP here in LEX for the Derby, that and other Middle Eastern 747's come here often, but it made me wonder, with all that money, why not get a shiney new one?
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DEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4447 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 26556 times:
The model that has 1 unidentified order is the 767. The 747 has 3 as of 6/07/06. It's not shown in the news releases as well. Did the 747 only have 2 unidentified in the chart yesterday? Which part on the site was the new 748 order indicated?
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6211 posts, RR: 79 Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 26506 times:
Quoting SNATH (Reply 12): Go to user-defined reports and choose model series B747-8. Customer name / country are unadentified. Order date shows as May 30, 2006.
Thanks!
Indeed, an order for one single B747-8 appears odd...
PH
Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
25 MCIGuy: My money is on LH, but I could eaily be wrong.
26 DeltaDC9: How long has the 345 been on offer? 748? How much to develop the 345? 748?
27 IMatAMS: Well if 15 or so more appear soon maybe, but no carrier, especially one of LH size is going to bother with a sub-fleet of 1 aircraft. I'd agree with
28 DeltaDC9: As far as a current 747 operator is concerned, would it be that strange to need just one more for now? Myabe it is a major launch customer that isnt q
29 Stitch: Boeing's latest update shows the following: 2 747-400F 1 747-8I 6 777-200LR 14 777-300ER I do know Boeing's initial order statement said "buyers", so
30 Katekebo: Maybe it's part of a bigger order, but Boeing does not count orders as firm until they receive the initial deposit. It's quite possible that a custome
31 DAL767400ER: Why not, this could lead to some interesting discussion points, like "A380 allows for 2 bowling alleys on seperate decks, while the 748 only allows f
32 DeltaDC9: Cant agree, no matter how many you order, you get them one at a time. Options are never shown on this site. So many 747s are not quite ready to be re
33 Art: I presume then that it was a resounding success before this order was announced. I don't see that an order for 1 pax 748 changes much. It's not as if
34 Stitch: Well I guess we'll know when the UFO's are announced. I am guessing it will be at Farnsborough (sic), especially the 748I one if it is part of a large
35 KL808: I know its for: Iraqi Airways or Ariana. Drew
36 Desiguy2447: It could be Jet Airways since Jet Airways was looking at the 747-8 since the A380 was too big for Jet Airways. Interesting to see who the first buyer
37 SeJoWa: Tee hee! I'm not about to forget that one so quickly.
38 Ikramerica: Not necessarily. They could in fact order 1, and then use the other two 744s as alternates. As they get older, uptime may be a problem, so having 2 a
39 Glom: The CondiJet? (assuming Condolezza Rice becomes the next president which she is most likely to become) That 777 is BA!
40 RichardPrice: The two current AF1 aircraft are infact 742 conversions, and they have some of the lowest hours of any 742 line aircraft out there. There is no probl
41 Scouseflyer: see Pensions Before Planes, BA's Walsh Sresses (by Leelaw Jun 8 2006 in Civil Aviation)
42 Tigerotor77W: I thought the Air Force One planes were 742s...
43 Dacman: Has anyone given it a thought that it might be for the prototype aircraft? Sometimes aircraft companies will show ship one as an official order and si
44 Kappel: IT would be really fun if the presidential elections would be between Rice and Hillary Clinton. What a catfight!!! I disagree, VIP plane, plane and s
45 Stitch: Has Boeing ever done this in the past for a prototype with no launch customers? How were new versions like the 772LR and 773ER handled? Did PIA buy 7
46 Ikramerica: They are. My bad. Doesn't change the fact that they will be replaced at some point. They are going to be about 20 years old when the 748i flies. Low
47 FlyDreamliner: You obviously have not read any of the current US poll numbers..... better than half a dozen people have higher numbers I don't see the AF1's going a
48 DEVILFISH: I'll oblige. Maybe the Sultan of Brunei had grown exasperated with the A380 delays that he opted to trade-in his current 747 for a brand-spanking new
49 Glom: Well that's it I'm not interested anymore. I want Condi to be president.
50 Jacobin777: OK, wild guess...maybe its QF with the -200LR's and got a good deal on the 748 with some options....but are we sure its a 747-8I or 747-8F?
51 Boeing Nut: Could it be as easy an explanation by Boeing that it could be a typo? Maybe another 748F option converted? Time will tell.
52 Revelation: At least two. The new replacements for Marine One (helicopters) will be over twenty in number!
53 Daus: Clearly this is Boeing's new "Buy 20 777's and get 1 747-8i Free" extra-value deal.
54 AA777223: They were able to mitigate much of the R&D costs for the 742 AF1s, by including many of the developments on the 743s and 744s. This makes airforce on
55 2H4: Age is almost irrevelant. Cycles determine the lifespan of transport-category aircraft. 2H4
56 NWDC10: "Happy B-Day Anetters". Your Brand New 747-8. I was hoping my present would be a suprised. Robert NWDC10
57 N600RR: I'm gonna guess GECAS, ILFC or EK. GECAS or ILFC just to secure a slot. EK because, well they just feel like it and they're tired of ordering in large
58 RMD11: And if you're not completely satisfied keep the 748 as our gift!
59 Tootallsd: How can you say such a thing without sources, facts, come on OUT WITH IT!
60 BoeingBus: Dude, its his opinion... he doesnt have to back it up... he is not way off either as I am sure those are her ambitions... she is very intelligent its
61 DfwRevolution: It isn't necessary to place a firm order to hold a slot. Typically, a deposit can be placed to "hold" a slot for a time period that is agreed upon at
62 Mush: I agree, I don't think they would order the first aircraft (747-8I) off the line...the US government would most likely wait until the aircraft have f
63 Oroka: Geeze... all I did was order a 747 and look at all the attention it is getting! I don't see a VIP being the launch customer... it is not great for pub
64 Spartanmjf: And the federal government is getting aircraft or other equipment or services for all of that money.
65 PlanesNTrains: Short of a spreadsheet error, I think this is the most plausible idea so far. -Dave
66 777fan: To answer your questions: I would order one if I could but no, it wouldn't make much sense. 777fan
67 Glom: I read an article once. For this board, that qualifies as an unimpeachable source.
68 Lredlefsen: When did *that* kind of reasoning ever stop these guys from spending money?!?! C'mon, dude -- get with the program! OK, I'll bite: it'll be a cold da
69 Ikramerica: I don't think it's because of ETOPS, but I do think they would go with the 748 because it has four engines. 4 engines 2 not be shot down by 1 SAM...
70 PDXflyer31: I could have sworn that the Sultan of Brunei had a custom built A340...
71 PDXflyer31: Hmm I'm going to correct my last post there. I just read up on the good ole' Sultan and in fact he does have 2 747-400's (with gold plated furniture).
72 Aerosol: Just waiting for the first to post the topic: "Boeing again outsells competetion"
73 Glom: I don't see how that would help. If you really don't want to get shot down, the key is not to be hit at all. If you achieve that goal, it doesn't mat
74 Johnny: Wow.I like the impressive orders airlines are placing from time to time... Johnny
75 Lehpron: Some of you people are goofy; so a carrier has ordered one aircraft...can they order more later then?
76 Qantas744ER: Yeeeeeeeeeees if this is true im going to jump up in joy I just cant wait to see a new 747 flying again Im starting to think its a private one for Abu
77 Ikramerica: Taking out 1 of the four on a 748i would leave 3 and less damage to the wing than if you took out 1 on a 773. At least that's what I would expect. An
78 CV990: Hi! Great to know that Boeing have ONE ORDER for the great 747-8!!!!! I guess that plane goes for a great client....and that is BOEING of course!!! re
79 PlanesNTrains: Care to elaborate, or is there really no point to this post? True. Very true. Now THAT would be an awesome competition! -Dave
81 CV990: Hi! PlanesNTrains, why don't you ask your buddy Amax1977 to do the same???? What was wrong with my post? Isn't that actually a possibility???? A house
82 UAL777UK: IMHO your not going to see much action on orders from Airbus or Boeing until Farnbourough, when they like to announce orders for maximum publicity. Pe
83 Blsbls99: Boeing would not order a 748I from themselves in order for it to be the prototype/house version. What manufacturer does that??? Seriously, the first p
85 Leelaw: Boeing yesterday booked its first order passenger version of its 747-8 aircraft, although the manufacturer is remaining silent on which client has pla
86 OyKIE: Nice article Leelaw. Thank you for sharing. I am very curious as to who has ordered these planes. I guess will have to wait to Farnborough Airshow to
87 CHRISBA777ER: Whoa there partner, hold your horses there. Premature is not a good look dude.
89 B707Stu: Since it's one order and unlikely it's for Air Force 1 replacement, my guess is it's a private order. Boeing didn't make a PR announcement so figure
90 Revelation: Then the "Spruce Goose" has a long career ahead of her...
91 Halibut: Cool , Boeing finally sells the 747-8 Intercontinental . Accourding to the article , this information was posted on Boeing's website late last week .
92 KC135TopBoom: This will be the first test flight airplane, Boeing is the customer. It is needed to begin the FAA/JAA certification flight testing. They probibly nee
94 Revelation: So if all the naysayers are right, at least we'll have one more interesting plane to go see at the Seattle Museum of Flight in a few year's time!
95 RichardPrice: Chances are this one will probably be sold to a customer in the near future anyway - after all there hasnt been a 747 testbed thats remained a testbe
96 Atmx2000: But would they need to place an order with themselves for that purpose? And why would they label it as unidentified customer?[Edited 2006-06-09 13:26
97 EI321: I still dont get it though. Why is it on their orders list? How can any company list themselves as both the seller and the buyer of an aircraft. Its
98 Leelaw: In comparison, Boeing lists 155 orders for the 717, when 156 were manufactured on the assembly line, the difference presumedly being the first aircra
99 EI321: So why list it as an undisclosed customer? And why is there not one of these listed for the freighter model, will that prototype be one of the 18 on
100 Atmx2000: But Boeing no longer intends to make full prototype aircraft that aren't sold. For the 777LR, the testing airframes were intended to be sold to a cus
101 RichardPrice: I think you have gotten Leelaws point around the wrong way: The 717 orders quoted do NOT show the Boeing retained aircraft in the totals. Therefore t
102 RichardPrice: Boeing have done that in the past, the original prototype 747s were delivered to customers after certification.
103 Leelaw: Thanx for clearing that up Richard. Additionally, IIRC, the first 772 manufactured and flown (S/N 27116, L/N 1, first flight June 12, 1994) wasn't ad
104 Irobertson: According to the A.net database, the Sultan of Brunei is the proud owner of the only A340-8000 Airbus has built to date. (For those unfamiliar with t
105 Leelaw: The very first 747 manufactured, "The City of Everett," was retained by Boeing and was used for several test programs over the years, as well as bein
106 Bmacleod: Well Boeing hasn't issued any press release yet, so I'm still holding my breath....
107 Tockeyhockey: the president should be flying in a 757. best chances of avoiding surface to air missles. anyone have that link to that movie of the italian airforce
108 Stitch: But why does Boeing need to bother certifying a plane that (would still) have no customer orders? Seems a huge expense for no benefit. The 747-8F wil
109 Semobeila: I completely agree - that's also the reason why they haven't gone public with the whole story...
110 Katekebo: Unless the testing and certification will be done by another company who will purchase and pay for the first airplane from Boeing, the test airplane c
111 Stitch: Not to mention if the purpose of this is to generate positive PR for the 747-8 by showing a customer, Boeing would look silly announcing they were th
112 DeltaDC9: Missle countermeasures kind of moot that point. AF1 is a military plane with plenty of defensive measures and possibly some offensive ones. That is n
113 Scoliodon: Not only that..he gifted another A340 to his son..who for some stupid reason has left it unused!!! (I think I've seen its pic on A.net) Coming to the
114 WestWing: Hey Halibut, A-net were not as asleep as you would think! What Wallace is saying is that last week Boeing added three 747s to the website. This three
115 MIAMIx707: Great lady, I'd vote for her. Exactly. Let's order ourselves a 747!!..hellooo? This order is going to Fidel Castro.
116 LotsatLHR: I read as far as post 70-something. Seeing as there are some ridiculous guesses i'll try mine. . . John Travolta?
117 DEVILFISH: I doubt that he is proud and happy with it, as it had remained in Germany undelivered and unpainted with Brunei livery. Please note the captions. And
118 ODwyerPW: I'm with TWFirst, It's a new Airforce 1. What better way to kick start the Intercontinental Program than to get $250mil from your own gummit. (Tongue
119 Mikefad: Maybe an American C.E.O. or something. The tremendous wealth shift happening in the U.S. is creating some awfully rich people. I wonder how $100 mil.
120 AR385: You are probably being sarcastic But if you are not, Know that the Space Shuttle cannot fly.
121 Tom12: Yeah i agree, or possible Japanese Government? lmao!! Tom
122 LifelinerOne: A shame the Italian AF doesn't have a B757... Cheers!
123 Spruit: Surely a pre-owned 744 would make more business sense to a VIP than a brand new 747-8? Correct me if I'm wrong here but it takes quite the "Business P
124 Joni: I'm not quite convinced that the "missile countermeasures" on AF1 would work against any modern AA missiles, because the plane is such a huge target
125 N328KF: That's OK, because if you understood it, that means that whatever AF1 is protected with (which is probably pretty much the same stuff they throw on m
126 Tockeyhockey: it can't?!?!? damn. that would be a sweet ride. i didn't say that. wink wink. sorry -- it's the RAF. http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...lery/Vide
127 DeltaDC9: First of all the 747 is known to be more agile than one would assume. With 70 passengers max, it is basically flying empty too. As for missile counte
128 Ikramerica: Drink that Kool-Aid, fellah. If any "wealth shift" is happening it's to other nations from the USA.
129 DEVILFISH: Speculation on this latest unidentified 748i order is mentioned at the end of the FI article on the LT A380 Interior Video. I started a thread but goo
131 Ha763: Actually, JAL got the first 2 773ERs built, JA731J (ex-N5016R) and JA732J (ex-N5017V).
132 Brendows: " target=_blank>http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...e.wmv Nope, it's a 752 belonging to the Royal New Zealand Air Force. RAF doesn't have any 757s.
133 Trex8: modern systems can stop IR and laser guided systems (but probably not the Starstreak) but if you have an old fashioned eg Blowpipe/Javelin with some
134 Joni: I don't doubt the details of any countermeasures are secret, however likely a professional wouldn't need to wreck her brain to figure out the main po
135 Boeing nut: Probably they were thinking that they would have sold a few frames by now. I imagine that certifying both types simultaneously saves money but I don'
136 Bmacleod: I'm assuming $70 crude is the main reason we haven't seen any airline passenger 747-8 orders as BA and AF are only currently planning more 777 orders.
137 CHI787ORD: Maybe boeing is making it for themselves.... as a model aircraft.
138 FriendlySkies: Maybe I'm just tired, but I really hope this was supposed to be sarcasm...
139 Lehpron: the PR must be successful then since we are talking about it.
140 SunriseValley: According to aviation columnist Geoffrey Thomas in a posting to Orders it is a VIP aircraft for a Middle East country and goes with the 20 UFO 777's.
141 SunriseValley: According to aviation columnist Geoffrey Thomas in a posting to another forum it is a VIP aircraft for a Middle East country and goes with the 20 UFO
142 FWAERJ: Personally, I think that it's far more likely that NW has ordered those 15 unidentified 777-300ERs and 5 unidentified 777-200LRs, as a post here on a
143 Johnny: I guess if there are no sales for the B748I at years end, Boeing can put that airplane on hold again. There were so many trials to develope a B744-rep
144 Stitch: I wouldn't get too smug, since that also means they aren't looking for A380s, either... And since they're buying 777s now, that means they won't be i
145 Johnny: @ Stitch No, i think a lot of them go for B777-300ER AND A388.Because the gap between them is big enough to have a need for two big airplanes. The A38
146 11Bravo: That would require authorization by the bankruptcy court. It would be an extraordinary, even unprecedented, development. It's completely unrealistic
147 Brendows: That might be the case for some airlines, but for other airlines, the 787 and 748 might fit better into their route structure. There will be a need f
148 Johnny: @ Brendows Sorry, i but i think the B777-300ER and A388 combo is a very likely combination for future sales.They complement each other very well! The
149 NA: Most airlines operating the 744 have not yet made any decisive plans on how to replace their Jumbos in the next decade (or even later) so its very pre
150 Brendows: The airlines order what fits them best. In some cases, that might be the 77W and A338, in other cases it won't. Remember, even the 77W is too large f
151 Johnny: "Remember, even the 77W is too large for some airlines!" Absolutely, but exactly THE airlines which are operating the 777-200ER only, are the future -
152 Brendows: It's not given that an airline will order the 77W simply because they are also operating the 772ER. They will buy the aircraft that fits their route
153 Vfw614: I guess it is the prototype for which Boeing now has found a VIP customer (surely with a hefty discount) The -8000 is an A340-200 based variant with
154 Ikramerica: I don't think they will have to put it on hold in the same way, instead just making it a "standing offer" to carriers while the 748F program goes for
155 DeltaDC9: This site is for people who LIKE planes isn't it? First of all, the 747 is sold out for 5 years of production. FIVE YEARS. Secondly, the 748F and 748
156 Johnny: @ Ikramerica Agree! @DeltaDC9 "First of all, the 747 is sold out for 5 years of production. FIVE YEARS." That is no big surprise as the production rat
157 BoeingBus: I don't think Boeing expected production rates t go any higher... Let's list out the reasons for the small 5 Billion investment in the 748? 1) Cargo
158 DeltaDC9: Very wrong. Not that I expect anyone to pay much attention to my posts. A quick glance at my handle reveals my favorite civil aviation plane and manu
159 Stitch: As long as Boeing is making money off each plane, who cares how few they make a month? It's not like Boeing needs that space for another project, so t
160 MIAMIx707: So we should read your posts to see which kinda planes you dislike? That's cool. (I think Johnny is probably posting while on break from middle schoo
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