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Flying Without ID - Interesting Results  
User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

Jim Harper, the chairman of the Department of Homeland Security's privacy advisory committee, was presented with an interesting challenge by privacy advocate John Gilmore - take the flight home from the meeting without any ID on him.

Noone else at the meeting took up the challenge, so Jim took it upon himself to rise to the challenge - with some interesting results.

He found it was apparently faster - after being asked for ID at the first checkpoint and declining, he was shunted off to a much shorter security line for processing and a couple of questions later he was through the checkpoint.

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,71115-0.html?tw=rss.index

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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

Interesting,and not all that surprising. It amazes me how relaxed security is for a 'not normal' scenario such as this, and how ridiculous it can be for 'normal' scenarios like someone with ID.

Pretty scary really.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9179 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Twisted... I would think it would be a hastle really, involving an interrogation room and everything... Unbelievable...


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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1843 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2100 times:
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I hardly think that it would work at every airport. For example here at JFK we don't even have those explsovie walk-through machines. But all of that for not pulling out your licence is a little more than I am willing to bargain for.


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User currently offlinePhelpsie87 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 498 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Its funny, just yesterday I was thinking about what would happen these days if someone forget their ID. I remember a few years ago flying without my ID and all I had to do was spell my first and last name. I thought that was pretty relaxed, in a bad way.

User currently offlineMax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 3):
I hardly think that it would work at every airport. For example here at JFK we don't even have those explsovie walk-through machines. But all of that for not pulling out your licence is a little more than I am willing to bargain for.

I've went through the explosive machines at JFK Terminal 1; so they're there. I think they also have them in Terminal 4.



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User currently offlineGTinMS From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

I had a somewhat similar experience at DFW a few weeks ago. I found out when I had gotten to Enterprise car rental at DFW after a flight from MSY that my license had expired 3 days prior. Why MSY didnt catch it is beyond me. On my DFW-MSY return trip, I told them that I realized my ID had expired and I was taken to the front of the line, through the metal detector of course. They also wrote "no id" on the ticket and highlighted it. The guy on the other side asked if I had been subjected to one of these searches before and I told him I hadnt. He fully explained what was about to happen and asked if I had any undeclared firearms in my carry-on. I got the wand treatment, a slight patdown, and my carry-on was checked with the chemical paper sniff wand thing. He and another agent seemed more interested in why they had written "no id" on a particular section of my ticket instead of another. Took all of 3 minutes, very simple. No hidden room, no cavity search, no interrogation. I was satisfied with how it went.

EDIT: After reading the replys on the link in the original post, I see that race was brought up. I, myself, am brown. I was adopted and have absolutely no idea what my ancestry consists of. Black, white, mixed, Spanish, Indian, middle easter, whatever. Short of Chinaman, I've heard it all Big grin Perhaps my lack of any foreign accent and "normal" dress (knit pullover shirt, khaki shorts, Nike shoes, sunglasses) helped. The brown guy behind me was also searched in the same manner, but I'm not sure if he had to take his turban off.

[Edited 2006-06-10 07:26:20]

User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1843 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1880 times:
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Quoting Max999 (Reply 5):
I've went through the explosive machines at JFK Terminal 1; so they're there. I think they also have them in Terminal 4.

I forgot about T1&4 but that's it. Terminals 2,3,6,7,8,9 don't have them. That means only if you are flying out of two terminals the you have a chance.



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User currently offlineNoelG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

Can you still board a flight without ID in the USA then?

If you don't have ID here, you have no chance of even getting checked in!

Cheers
Noel


User currently offlineHighpeaklad From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1735 times:

According to www.ba.com they don't require photographic ID on domestic flights, Im not sure why BE, FR, U2 etc require it.

Chris



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