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Who Is Taxiing The Plane?  
User currently offlineIrishpower From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 384 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9065 times:

Often when I go out to SFO I see UA 744's being moved from the international terminal over to their maintenance base for a few hours :then they are taxied back to the terminal for flights later that day or in the evening---who gets to taxi the planes? Are they pilots or specially trained ground personel? I see it at airports all the time and have always wondered who is at the controls.

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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9065 times:

IIRC, some maintenance personnel are certified to taxi the plane around if they have to.

Harry



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9060 times:

Either Ramp Agents or Mechanics

During Ramp Tower communication, it can either be a signed off Ramp Agent in the cockpit who is brake riding, or a Mechanic.



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User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8990 times:

I've wondered about that myself when it came to AA 777's and 67's coming from T5 back to T3 for their eveining European departures.

User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1787 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8913 times:

At DL they are training the ramp agents to brake ride for towing, but it's MX who does taxing to other portions of the airport.


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User currently offlineN587NK From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8899 times:

With us if the A/C is being taxi-ed it MX personel, if its being towed its a ramp crew tugging the aircraft with MX riding the brakes

User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8888 times:

I am glad you brought this subject up. I have always wondered myself and I have always thought that the airline had some spare pilot to do the taxi from MX to ramp.

And I have learnt something new today.


User currently offlineIrishpower From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8803 times:

So do these ground staff get special training to be able to taxi a 744 around an airport? I'm not talking about towing with a tug but rather taxiing under the planes own power?

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8712 times:

Out Here Mx/Engineering handles Taxiing & Towing Ops for Maintenance work.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineNonfirm From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8653 times:

Maintenance personal that are run and taxi qualified can perform this witch is the case with UA in SFO.I believe the ramp guys push the flight out for the revenue flight but the maintenance crew tows the airplane back and forth from the terminal to the maintenance base when required.  airplane 

User currently offlineFlyinTLow From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8591 times:

A/C are not taxied to MX or to other gates. The expenses for starting up an engine and then riding back and forth are far greater than ordering a towing truck and towing it across the airport.


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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8431 times:

Quoting Irishpower (Reply 7):
So do these ground staff get special training to be able to taxi a 744 around an airport? I'm not talking about towing with a tug but rather taxiing under the planes own power?

MX are trained to also taxi the plane on its own power if they feel its needed. but ramp would never be allowed to do that, but the only power the ramp agents can do is start and shut down the APU for internal power during taxi and operate the beacon lights.



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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1359 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8400 times:

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 10):
A/C are not taxied to MX or to other gates. The expenses for starting up an engine and then riding back and forth are far greater than ordering a towing truck and towing it across the airport.

Tell that to my mechanics who just taxiied my plane from the gate to its over night parking spot on the other side of the airport.

In a busy airport, tugs can take too long. Taxiing is quicker.


User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8380 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 3):
I've wondered about that myself when it came to AA 777's and 67's coming from T5 back to T3 for their evening European departures.

Those are all Maintenance Personal... Pilots get off over at IT5



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8380 times:

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 11):
MX are trained to also taxi the plane on its own power if

Didn't anyone see "Airport"? Everyone knows that Joe Patroni was licenced to taxi! It's one of the high points of the film!
:D Big grin


User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8287 times:

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 10):
A/C are not taxied to MX or to other gates. The expenses for starting up an engine and then riding back and forth are far greater than ordering a towing truck and towing it across the airport.

Smaller aircraft are taxied by MX all the time. It does seem that larger A/C are usually towed.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8165 times:

Quoting N353SK (Reply 15):
Smaller aircraft are taxied by MX all the time. It does seem that larger A/C are usually towed.

Considering the Traffic at most Airports.Taxiing permisson is sought faster than Towing to ATC.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3512 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8157 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 14):
Didn't anyone see "Airport"? Everyone knows that Joe Patroni was licenced to taxi! It's one of the high points of the film!

haha, yeah I was just thinking that.

"Now Mr. Patroni is qualified to taxi, he'll handle it."



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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2525 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7760 times:

Quoting Superhub (Reply 6):
I am glad you brought this subject up. I have always wondered myself and I have always thought that the airline had some spare pilot to do the taxi from MX to ramp.

For random taxiing, maintenance will do it... However if the maintenance work requires something like a high speed RTO test or any kind of high speed run on a runway, a spare pilot will be the one in the cockpit for this


User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6946 times:

Correct me if I am wrong but aren't most aircraft certified to taxi on only one engine?

Thanks,

Matt



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User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6789 times:

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 18):
For random taxiing, maintenance will do it... However if the maintenance work requires something like a high speed RTO test or any kind of high speed run on a runway, a spare pilot will be the one in the cockpit for this

Not neccissarily, Some carriers allow the MX personel to do this on their own... Eagle Mechanics and contractors used to be qualified for this, no need to bother the pilots... HP it was the same... MX could do high speed runups if needed....



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User currently offlineRaventom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6685 times:

I bet the engineers get very tempted to take them for a little bit more than a taxi!


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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2525 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6611 times:

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 20):

Not neccissarily, Some carriers allow the MX personel to do this on their own... Eagle Mechanics and contractors used to be qualified for this, no need to bother the pilots... HP it was the same... MX could do high speed runups if needed....

It probably has to do more with the pilots or mx contracts than anything else...


User currently offlineIrishpower From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6362 times:

What are MX personel?

User currently onlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 679 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6362 times:

Correct me if I am wrong but aren't most aircraft certified to taxi on only one engine?

Thanks,

Matt

Matt,
What does this have to do with who taxi's the a/c?

Rgds,
Ed



Ed
25 777STL : There's no "certification" to taxi on one engine.
26 Fr8mech : MX is a common abbreviation for maintenance. There is no certification, per se. There are procedures that each operator may put together. My operator
27 UA777222 : It would be in relation to the issue that airlines don't taxi aircraft with the engines rather a tug. I apologize for the use of the word certificati
28 Flyabunch : Yesterday, I was waiting to take a TED flight in Denver. I was starting to think our inbound was late and all of a sudden a plane appeared but didn't
29 BigJimFX : Yeah... When ATC tells the MX driver that there is "Traffic on a 3 mile final, without delay, cross 18L, cross 18R, and taxi to parking." The mechani
30 Jeb94 : All mechanics that are run & taxi qualified are trained for each specific type of aircraft they taxi. They have to know what all of the indications sh
31 DLKAPA : Tell that to OO who several times a night taxies their aircraft from the Concourse at COS to their MX facility...across the airport.
32 GQfluffy : Yup. Just like WX is an abbreviation for weather...
33 Post contains images HAWK21M : Temptation is only a thought for a Professional.Action is Totally Different regds MEL
34 Uadc8contrail : UA777222, with todays fuel prices i have seen quite a few 1 engine taxi outs to the runways...saves fuel and 1 can do the job... what are you talking
35 TWAL1011727 : At some of DL stations, they have already trained rampees to brake ride.They also have to be trained in ATC comm and APU ops(unless its towed powerof
36 HAWK21M : Does not Usage of ATC Communication Equipment need an Aeromobile Station Licence. regds MEL
37 UA777222 : My point exactly. Thank you UADC. Matt
38 TWAL1011727 : The A/C needs a radio station license but you don't need a radio permit to use it. At least a U.S. citizen in the U.S. doesn't..Not sure about other
39 ABQopsHP : I was trained to breakride the 737/A320 at HP, and was qualified to breakride the A310 for the Luftwaffe at ELP (HP has the ground contract there). I
40 Irishpower : What is the difference between a brake ride and taxiing the plane under it's own power without assistance ?
41 BigJimFX : A brake ride is a guy that sits in the plane while the aircraft is being towed. He basically makes sure the airplane doesn't come off of the tow-truc
42 HAWK21M : Brake Rider is someone who needs to Apply Brakes during an Emergency. Taxiing is Moving the Aircraft on its own power. regds MEL
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