KLMyank From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 172 posts, RR: 2 Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6481 times:
Just heard from the inside the -300ERs will start being delivered in February 2008, one more in March, and the rest in 2009. Registrations will be BQR-V.
BoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 56 Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6454 times:
Didn't they only order (3) 773ER's?
(1) in Aug. 05' and (2) more in Nov. 05'
BoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 56 Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6411 times:
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 3): No they ordered 4, they were converted 772ER orders that were converted last month.
I see... Only could find this. Also is this in addition to the (6) they are going to lease?
Couldn't even find a link on the Boeing site although I know I've read something somewhere.
Quoting KLMyank (Thread starter): Just heard from the inside the -300ERs will start being delivered in February 2008, one more in March, and the rest in 2009. Registrations will be BQR-V.
Damn, that's a long wait. I hope they will fly to PBM. Can't wait to try them out. Any word what routes they will be used on?
Any news when they will start phasing out the 733's and 734's? Van Wijk said (a couple of months ago) that would start soon, but I haven't heard anything since.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9077 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6284 times:
I also can't wait to try them out but in another thread I read these 773ER's are for expansion and not replacement of KL's 744 passenger aircraft so it might take even longer before the Dutch Antilles (and Surinam) will see these aircraft. I can imagine KL will start using these aircraft on prime routes where competition is fierce before sending them to leisure destination and VFR destinations where KL already has the monopoly.
About KL's 733/734 phase out, I wonder which airlines might pick them up. I would think these aircraft might be good candidates for Dutch Antilles Express in a few years when they might expand.
Kappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 18 Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6048 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 6): I also can't wait to try them out but in another thread I read these 773ER's are for expansion and not replacement of KL's 744 passenger aircraft so it might take even longer before the Dutch Antilles (and Surinam) will see these aircraft
I am afraid you're right, but a guy can hope right?
Anyway, if the rumour (or fact??) that they will start flying the MD11 to PBM due to MP and Arkefly entering the market, I will be happy too, never flown the MD11, and the 747 more times than I care to count... (742, 743 and 744... all KLM)
American777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5901 times:
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9077 posts, RR: 13 Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5806 times:
Nice work American777
Is that a reworked copy of one of Tim de Groot or Wietse de Graaf's photos?
American777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5790 times:
KLM currently operates 13 B772ERs registered PH-BQA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/I/K/L/M/N. If they are planning to register the B77Ws starting PH-BQR, that means there will be a gap in the registrations.
From what I understand, there is at least one more B772 on the way, registered PH-BQO for delivery 01/2007. PH-BQP was originally set to arrive 04/2007, but this frame might be converted to a B77W already.
On the other hand, KLM needs to replace the 5 remaining B763 frames, which could just be done with the one extra B772 and four extra A332s which are slated to arrive as follows:
If no extra B772 frames were to join, and the first B77W is only planned to arrive in 2008, that would mean no room for growth whatsoever in the next year or so. My point is: could it be that apart from the one more B772 frame, KLM will take delivery of more B772s? Why would they give up on the delivery slot for PH-BQP in 04/2007?
AA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 503 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4813 times:
HB-IWC,
I always appreciate your point of views. Good job!
I just spoke to a KLM 763 captain and he said that the 763s will leave the fleet much sooner. KLM had planned to keep the last five 763s until March 2007 but we shouldn't be surprised if this might all be happening before the end of the year.
Eventually, the last routes flown by the 767 (Abuja/Kano, Entebbe, Dammam/Doha, Tehran, Almaty and some Washington-Dulles rotations) will be replaced by the 332 sooner.
I do think they'r using the remaning (ordered) A330s to replace these 767s. So when we're talking about 'growth' I think that's in number of seats, not necessarily in routes or frequencies.
I guess KLM wants to wait and see how the 773 will eventually perform.
KLMyank From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 172 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4559 times:
Quoting AA B777-200 (Reply 14): KLM currently operates 13 B772ERs registered PH-BQA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/I/K/L/M/N. If they are planning to register the B77Ws starting PH-BQR, that means there will be a gap in the registrations.
From what I understand, there is at least one more B772 on the way, registered PH-BQO for delivery 01/2007. PH-BQP was originally set to arrive 04/2007, but this frame might be converted to a B77W already.
BQO is a 200ER for delivery Jan 07. BQP is also a 200ER for April 07. BQQ is being skipped, I don't know why. Then R-V for the -300ERs.
IMatAMS From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 295 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4011 times:
Quoting KLMyank (Reply 15): BQQ is being skipped, I don't know why
Might be similar to **J regs. They don't use those because they are used for commercial items like models etc. Just checked the database and there no 744 BFQ or 73NG BXQ either...
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3800 times:
Quoting KLMyank (Reply 15): BQO is a 200ER for delivery Jan 07. BQP is also a 200ER for April 07. BQQ is being skipped, I don't know why. Then R-V for the -300ERs.
That would mean the KL B772ER fleet will eventually consist of 15 frames then, i.e. the current 13 plus BQO and BQP. Also, there is also only 4 B77W on order and R-V would include 5 frames.
Quoting AA B777-200 (Reply 14): I just spoke to a KLM 763 captain and he said that the 763s will leave the fleet much sooner. KLM had planned to keep the last five 763s until March 2007 but we shouldn't be surprised if this might all be happening before the end of the year. Eventually, the last routes flown by the 767 (Abuja/Kano, Entebbe, Dammam/Doha, Tehran, Almaty and some Washington-Dulles rotations) will be replaced by the 332 sooner.
I am aware of the plans for accelerated phase out of the 5 remaining B763s. The current draft winter program can be flown with just 3 767 frames, but an update is on the way and all 763s might very well be removed from the schedule by early 2007.
Nevertheless, given the schedule changes and frequency increases I am aware of, I wonder where KLM is going to get all of the equipment. The 5 remaining B763s are being replaced with 4 additional A332s and the apparently remaining 2 B772s by April 2007. That leaves, however, very little room for frequency reinforcement, network adjustments and route development which KLM is actively contemplating, even with the transfer of the EWR route to NW.
NorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 394 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3739 times:
NWA is takng over on the EWR - AMS - EWR route ? When and with what aircraft ?
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3694 times:
Quoting AA B777-200 (Reply 14): I just spoke to a KLM 763 captain and he said that the 763s will leave the fleet much sooner. KLM had planned to keep the last five 763s until March 2007 but we shouldn't be surprised if this might all be happening before the end of the year.
what will happen to the 763 captains? Will they get fired or repositioned somewhere else?
AA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 503 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3662 times:
Nicholas & Rob,
The A330 should be doing EWR-AMS-EWR by the end of October, but from what I read, this was supposed to be a -200.
HB-IWC,
Changes, frequencies and expansion... Oh well. From what I've seen, there won't be that much expansion for the winter season 2006/2007. However, in my department (Cabin Crew) KLM will be hiring extra FAs to boost expansion plans for the summer 2007 schedule.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9077 posts, RR: 13 Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3654 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 20): what will happen to the 763 captains? Will they get fired or repositioned somewhere else?
I assume all the KL 763 pilots are offered a position with the A332 as it is the replacement aircraft for their 763. Another possibility would be to switch to the 772 or maybe even the 744 (?). Just my thaughts.
Kappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 18 Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3603 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 22): I assume all the KL 763 pilots are offered a position with the A332 as it is the replacement aircraft for their 763. Another possibility would be to switch to the 772 or maybe even the 744 (?). Just my thaughts.
Indeed, they will most certainly not be fired.
Quoting B742 (Reply 19): Any idea what routes they will possibly operate?
Will KLM ever order more 77W's in the near future?
I'm just hoping KLM will order the 739ER and 748i
The routes may be the routes now operated by the 744 full-pax, or routes where the 772 is proving too small. Not sure which ones those are though. I'm certainly hoping they will fly to the caribbean destinations for which KLM now uses the 744 (CUR, PBM and SXM).
IMHO more 77W's are a certainty. I wouldn't be surprised if the fleet would grow to at least ten. These first are more for expansion, and some more will probably replace the 744 full pax (KLM has 5 of those in the fleet).
I think that the 748i has as much chance being ordered as the a380, which is none. But hey, you never know. KLM has a very long relationship with the 747, so it would be very sad if some day the fleet would not have any 747's anymore.
The 739ER's are IMHO a possibility, although the regular 739's are serving just fine.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4117 posts, RR: 37 Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3585 times:
For those who lost track, here is what I presume reading this post and other sources:
PH-BQO and PH-BQP ; will be 200ERs, lsd from ILFC, delivered jan/april 07
BQR, BQS, BQT, -300ERs, (3) already in official order books, delivered from feb 08
BQU and BQV; 300ERs, order not yet in official order books but to be confirmed soon.
Please shoot or comment if this is not correct.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
25 HB-IWC: I've seen quite some projects which are on the verge of being launched, but there's no exact dates so far. Even if most of these expansion plans are
26 Jacobin777: thank you very much..if they go from the 763 to A332, so much for the "cockpit" commonality rules..... maybe the 777-200ER ore 777-300ER is a better
27 A388: Hey Jacob, Always nice to your KL 777 everytime there is a thread about KL and the 777 I've never seen someone so consistant in using the same photo e
28 KLMyank: Some FO are going to the 744 as FO. Some Captains also to the 744 as Captain. Some to 777, some to A330. Really just depends on seniority. Under the
29 AA B777-200: You're right, KLMyank! No general rule for former 767 pilots. My FO is headed for the 777 (FO) and the captain is off to the 744 (captain). Cabin Crew
30 Vunz: If there are more 772 and 77W to come, why not start with an all new registration series for the 77W, like PH-BS*? What's the reason to have these one
31 Lamedianaranja: Very possible, yes. BQO: Old Rauma BQP: Pyramids of Giza BQR: Robben Island although last minute changes have been known to occur.
32 AMSSFO: That's correct. 3 B777-200ER ordered last year were converted to -300ER last April. The 4th (and now possibly 5th) reported order has not yet appeare
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