747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2338 times:
I feel certain that it will be that DL is suspending all international flights from PDX. DL is very upset with the INS at Portland because of the problems with the very high rate of deportation there. There is a possibility that the announcement will be a public condemnation of the INS operations there, and give a public warning to clean up their act or else. My hunch however, is that DL will announce that they are pulling all international flights from there and reducing schedules to other cities.
DeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2318 times:
We've thought this announcement might be comming for a little while now. I suppose it is both good and bad news, but Delta does need the additional aircraft at this time. Maybe they know something we don't.
Ctbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2304 times:
There were reports last June in the Portland Oregonian that DL was considering curtailing its pacific operations from PDX due to INS problems as well as weak load factors. It'll be interesting what they will say.
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N960AS From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 466 posts, RR: 7 Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2249 times:
Oh is that really true? I hope not. I go to PDX a lot but I've hardly ever seen all the DL gates full. I don't know what time the asia flights leave, but its been pretty empty. I was there in July and during the 3 extra hours I had there (AS cancelled my flight, what a shocker) I only saw a few DLs, I think a 763 and 752 or something. Well for Portland's sake I hope DL stays. Where would they go, SLC? Or SEA? LAX and SFO are so crowded and lots of competition.
Also does anyone know what the biggest airlines at PDX are. I know AS/QX, DL and UA are, but in what order. Thanks...
Flashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2892 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2225 times:
If DL leaves PDX, I can't believe someone else won't try to come in -- the city begs for a hub.
PDX has high-tech (Intel, IBM, just to name a few), major ties with Asia and the US East Coast, a highly educated (and wealthy) population, and a great facility that's exceptionally under capacity.
I think it's ridiculous for DL to be making this move. In my opinion, DL has always under-utilized PDX. Rather than being a refueling stop, they need to make it a full-fledged hub for the west coast. DL isn't serious about SLC, and apparently they're not serious about PDX.
So who else would it be?
UA - Good move, but how much west-coast capacity does an airline need?
CO - Would be great, but what about all that space between Cleveland and Portland?
AA - When have they ever been serious on the West coast?
NW - Possible, but they have a lot of presence already in SEA
WN - OK maybe, but they haven't really grown that much from PDX since the Morris Air days
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7719 posts, RR: 17 Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2203 times:
I think the long and short of it is that Portland is just not a good hub city. I know there was a post about this before, but Portland just does not have the growth that other markets have on the west coast. Though I would think it to be rather unwise for Delta to leave Salt Lake. SLC is a nice alternate to DEN, and it was the best part of the Western buyout.
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Blink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5460 posts, RR: 18 Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2206 times:
if anything,delta should either stay in PDX or transfer the flights to DFW seriously because I don't think cincinatti or salt lake city are big enough markets for international traffic,If I were delta I would make CVG a domestic hub and make SLC sort of a DFW,the market is big there,and there is a big population,I personally think PDX is a good place to have your asian flights. There is a market promised there and I think Delta should give PDX another chance.
I think AA might move in if Delta really decreases PDX service,AA would be good because they have a lot of focus cities and mini hubs on the west coast but the western most hub is DFW and that is about a three hour flight away from the west coast and AA could also compete with United out of PDX too.
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N960AS From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 466 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2195 times:
Oh DL is big from 12-1, I see. I'm usually there in there 9-10 or 4-7. Also I almost always fly AS.
Nike is in Portland too. They must create a need for some travel.
Why would DL move flights to CVG, you can't really distribute passangers to the west coast.
Also AS/QX could expand at PDX. They are pretty big there now but they could always grow larger, although probably not now, with all their problems.
CO would be good and Houston is between PDX and CLE. I doubt UA, between DEN, SFO and LAX (even SEA) they are pretty big on the west. Yeah AA never really seems to care about the west, from PDX they just fly to DFW, ORD and SJC. I hope it is not WN, PDX could really use a larger carrier with more global or longer flights. Portland is such an underserved city I hope a new airline moves in if DL does leave.
Boeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2172 times:
what about a cathay or sia or a other asian airline.
there is a nice area to expand on the west side.
And thanks for ponting out that we have alot of busniess around here the people in the other fourm were implying we were just a bunch of farmers with no technolagy but i guess they never went to hillsboro or beaverton.
N960AS From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 466 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2157 times:
Boeing in pdx, well sure Portland isn't a huge metropolis and I've been to hillsboro and beavorton but I thnk Portland is impressive. Lots of business and technology. Seems to be educated people and Powell's books...I hope PDX does get an airline that can use it as a hub.
EyeSky From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 302 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2127 times:
Delta has a respectable presence at SEA. With all of the renovations and expansion that are planned here through 2008 I wouldn't be surprised to see them expand their service to and through SEA in the future.
True, the weather sucks at times, but what major west coast airport doesen't have to contend with weather? Plus the new runway will give the "new" SEA a real kick in the pants.
Ishky15 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 717 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2119 times:
Maybe CO could move in to PDX. I mean, are they really gonna put 250 or so RJs in LGA, EWR, CLE, and IAH? They could fly them to all those small communities in eastern Washington and Oregon and northern California. There's also that emphasis for a west coast hub.
If DL abandons the Japan routes from PDX, do they lose the rights to serve those cities? Can they transfer those flights to anpther city, or are they permanently for PDX? If they abandon those flights altogether, can another American carrier pick those up? If so, can they move them to another city.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7874 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2130 times:
If DL does leave PDX, I think any airline that wants to beef up its West Coast/trans-Pacific presence may seriously look at that airport.
The only airline that might be interested is CO; because CO is buying a fairly large fleet of 772ER's, CO could set up feeders from most of the western states (e.g., possible Continental Express operation?) into PDX for PDX-NRT and PDX-HKG flights using 772ER's. Given that CO is planning to buy a massive fleet of Embraer ERJ135/145 regional jets, my suggestion may not be so far-fetched.
25 ScottB: You might be interested in reading what the local newspaper in Portland had to say (The Portland Oregonian): Delta may ground PDX-Asia flights
26 Nycank: Here is another interesting backgrounder to put US-Japan Airroutes http://www.bts.gov/ntl/data/jatww3-2matthews.pdf
27 Ben88: "True, the weather sucks at times, but what major west coast airport doesen't have to contend with weather?" LAX
28 Johnboy: Sorry, but I've never thought Portland made much sense as a DL hub. Just a bit too small. It might have the same demographics as Denver, but how many
29 Darrell: The Port of Portland spent ALOT of money to make DL happy. They practically built a new terminal for them at PDX. It's disturbing that a major airline
30 Papatango: has anyone heard what came out of the 1345 pst meeting delta had in pdx with their employees ?
31 Maha: It looks like they're moving NGO to LAX, NRT to JFK.
32 Dadoftyler: It's official--DL is dropping PDX-NRT/NGO in favor of JFK-NRT (!) and LAX-NGO on 4/1/01. No word on domestic feed, but I seriously doubt if they keep