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Delta Canceling Japan Flights At Pdx?  
User currently offlineMaha From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 16 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

Anyone know anything about the major announcement Delta will be making tomorrow regarding their PDX International gateway?

All Delta's PDX flight attendants were called today by phone to be present at tommorw's meeting. They were all informed Delta will be making a major International change at PDX??

Any ideas?

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User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

I feel certain that it will be that DL is suspending all international flights from PDX. DL is very upset with the INS at Portland because of the problems with the very high rate of deportation there. There is a possibility that the announcement will be a public condemnation of the INS operations there, and give a public warning to clean up their act or else. My hunch however, is that DL will announce that they are pulling all international flights from there and reducing schedules to other cities.

User currently offlineDeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

We've thought this announcement might be comming for a little while now. I suppose it is both good and bad news, but Delta does need the additional aircraft at this time. Maybe they know something we don't.

User currently offlineCstarU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

BTW, It's called Deportland by Asians.  

User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

There were reports last June in the Portland Oregonian that DL was considering curtailing its pacific operations from PDX due to INS problems as well as weak load factors. It'll be interesting what they will say.

Charles



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User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

will any other carrier take the gate space. Continental always needed a weastern hub.

Oh boy i am f**ked.  


User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

i'll miss them


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User currently offlineN960AS From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

Oh is that really true? I hope not. I go to PDX a lot but I've hardly ever seen all the DL gates full. I don't know what time the asia flights leave, but its been pretty empty. I was there in July and during the 3 extra hours I had there (AS cancelled my flight, what a shocker) I only saw a few DLs, I think a 763 and 752 or something. Well for Portland's sake I hope DL stays. Where would they go, SLC? Or SEA? LAX and SFO are so crowded and lots of competition.
Also does anyone know what the biggest airlines at PDX are. I know AS/QX, DL and UA are, but in what order. Thanks...


User currently offlinePeter From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

That's too bad. I hope it doesn't happen. I think that Delta could still make Portland into a good hub. Just add alot of Asian and domestic flights and I think that it would be a good hub.

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User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

Delta is always full from 12 to 1 one day i went there and ther was about 5,000 people jammed in concourse c
i hope someone buys the gate space.


User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2509 times:
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If DL leaves PDX, I can't believe someone else won't try to come in -- the city begs for a hub.

PDX has high-tech (Intel, IBM, just to name a few), major ties with Asia and the US East Coast, a highly educated (and wealthy) population, and a great facility that's exceptionally under capacity.

I think it's ridiculous for DL to be making this move. In my opinion, DL has always under-utilized PDX. Rather than being a refueling stop, they need to make it a full-fledged hub for the west coast. DL isn't serious about SLC, and apparently they're not serious about PDX.

So who else would it be?

UA - Good move, but how much west-coast capacity does an airline need?

CO - Would be great, but what about all that space between Cleveland and Portland?

AA - When have they ever been serious on the West coast?

NW - Possible, but they have a lot of presence already in SEA

WN - OK maybe, but they haven't really grown that much from PDX since the Morris Air days

US - Yeah, right

So who then? Such a sad thing to have happen...


User currently offlineRickbslc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2499 times:

I hear and think that all the asia flights will be moved to CVG. Much easier to make future route bids from city that has large feeder system.

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

I think the long and short of it is that Portland is just not a good hub city. I know there was a post about this before, but Portland just does not have the growth that other markets have on the west coast. Though I would think it to be rather unwise for Delta to leave Salt Lake. SLC is a nice alternate to DEN, and it was the best part of the Western buyout.


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User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

if anything,delta should either stay in PDX or transfer the flights to DFW   seriously because I don't think cincinatti or salt lake city are big enough markets for international traffic,If I were delta I would make CVG a domestic hub and make SLC sort of a DFW,the market is big there,and there is a big population,I personally think PDX is a good place to have your asian flights. There is a market promised there and I think Delta should give PDX another chance.
I think AA might move in if Delta really decreases PDX service,AA would be good because they have a lot of focus cities and mini hubs on the west coast but the western most hub is DFW and that is about a three hour flight away from the west coast and AA could also compete with United out of PDX too.
blink182



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User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2485 times:
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I disagree with the argument that there's no potential for growth at PDX.

The Portland metro area has as many people as the Denver metro area, similar demographics, and the same if not better business mixes.

I agree that INS needs to be shaken up there, but DL's problem came from misutilizing PDX.

If they had their heart in it, PDX would be a great hub for them...


User currently offlineN960AS From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Oh DL is big from 12-1, I see. I'm usually there in there 9-10 or 4-7. Also I almost always fly AS.
Nike is in Portland too. They must create a need for some travel.
Why would DL move flights to CVG, you can't really distribute passangers to the west coast.

Also AS/QX could expand at PDX. They are pretty big there now but they could always grow larger, although probably not now, with all their problems.
CO would be good and Houston is between PDX and CLE. I doubt UA, between DEN, SFO and LAX (even SEA) they are pretty big on the west. Yeah AA never really seems to care about the west, from PDX they just fly to DFW, ORD and SJC. I hope it is not WN, PDX could really use a larger carrier with more global or longer flights. Portland is such an underserved city I hope a new airline moves in if DL does leave.


User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

what about a cathay or sia or a other asian airline.
there is a nice area to expand on the west side.

And thanks for ponting out that we have alot of busniess around here the people in the other fourm were implying we were just a bunch of farmers with no technolagy but i guess they never went to hillsboro or beaverton.


User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

which domestic routes will delta stop flying to from pdx

User currently offlineMaha From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

They'll probably stop ATL, JFK, LAX, CVG to name a few - basically all the Japan feeders from the East Coast I would imagine.

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2439 times:

Better question... What flights other than to the hubs does DL have at PDX?


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User currently offlineN960AS From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2441 times:

Boeing in pdx, well sure Portland isn't a huge metropolis and I've been to hillsboro and beavorton but I thnk Portland is impressive. Lots of business and technology. Seems to be educated people and Powell's books...I hope PDX does get an airline that can use it as a hub.

User currently offlineNycank From United States of America, joined May 2000, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

Flights from PDX that DL serves are - ATL,BOS,CVG,LAS,LAX,NGO,JFK,SLC,SFO,SEA,NRT,YVR

DL currently serves NRT from ATL. For any foriegn carrier to pick up the slack left by DLs PDX-NRT
PDX-NGO flights will have to have a code-share partner at PDX to disperse its pax.

One of the problems mentioned are the behaviour of the INS folks in PDX. I doubt there are enough O&D pax from Japan to warrant multiple US & foriegn carriers.


User currently offlineEyeSky From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2411 times:
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Delta has a respectable presence at SEA. With all of the renovations and expansion that are planned here through 2008 I wouldn't be surprised to see them expand their service to and through SEA in the future.

True, the weather sucks at times, but what major west coast airport doesen't have to contend with weather? Plus the new runway will give the "new" SEA a real kick in the pants.


User currently offlineIshky15 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 717 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

Maybe CO could move in to PDX. I mean, are they really gonna put 250 or so RJs in LGA, EWR, CLE, and IAH? They could fly them to all those small communities in eastern Washington and Oregon and northern California. There's also that emphasis for a west coast hub.

If DL abandons the Japan routes from PDX, do they lose the rights to serve those cities? Can they transfer those flights to anpther city, or are they permanently for PDX? If they abandon those flights altogether, can another American carrier pick those up? If so, can they move them to another city.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7985 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

If DL does leave PDX, I think any airline that wants to beef up its West Coast/trans-Pacific presence may seriously look at that airport.

The only airline that might be interested is CO; because CO is buying a fairly large fleet of 772ER's, CO could set up feeders from most of the western states (e.g., possible Continental Express operation?) into PDX for PDX-NRT and PDX-HKG flights using 772ER's. Given that CO is planning to buy a massive fleet of Embraer ERJ135/145 regional jets, my suggestion may not be so far-fetched.


25 Post contains links ScottB : You might be interested in reading what the local newspaper in Portland had to say (The Portland Oregonian): Delta may ground PDX-Asia flights
26 Post contains links Nycank : Here is another interesting backgrounder to put US-Japan Airroutes http://www.bts.gov/ntl/data/jatww3-2matthews.pdf
27 Ben88 : "True, the weather sucks at times, but what major west coast airport doesen't have to contend with weather?" LAX
28 Johnboy : Sorry, but I've never thought Portland made much sense as a DL hub. Just a bit too small. It might have the same demographics as Denver, but how many
29 Darrell : The Port of Portland spent ALOT of money to make DL happy. They practically built a new terminal for them at PDX. It's disturbing that a major airline
30 Papatango : has anyone heard what came out of the 1345 pst meeting delta had in pdx with their employees ?
31 Maha : It looks like they're moving NGO to LAX, NRT to JFK.
32 Dadoftyler : It's official--DL is dropping PDX-NRT/NGO in favor of JFK-NRT (!) and LAX-NGO on 4/1/01. No word on domestic feed, but I seriously doubt if they keep
33 Darrell : see ya Delta...your loss
34 Post contains links and images Maha : Click for large versionPhoto © Chris Coduto
35 DeltaAir : Well its official now. There will be a lot of empty terminal space at PDX once this is all said and done with. The JFK flight was a surprise, but not
36 Post contains images Flashmeister : Well, DL passed up another golden opportunity, and frankly I don't think that another airline will come in right away. PDX will be awfully empty with
37 Sn330 : RayChuang is right. Continental should step in to fill the void with the large amount of regional jets. I would rather hope for AA, since that's my ho
38 Maha : Why even keeping PDX as a "hub"? Seems like DL should just close down PDX altogether. Without any Asian flights, what purpose does PDX serve?
39 Peter : Delta's domestic flights at Portland will go from 12 cities, to 5. The 5 cities that stay are Atlanta, Cincinnati, Salt Lake City, DFW, and Seattle.
40 RayChuang : In fact, I won't be surprised within a few months Continental CEO Gordon Bethune will announce they will seriously inquire about setting up a West Coa
41 Flyf15 : If the largest airline in the world (pax wise) doesn't think PDX is worth it, why would any other airline?
42 N960AS : Well if CO moves in they code-share with AS, so that could be helpful to them. Plus NW is pretty big up at SEA. I hope someone fills the void. Also LA
43 Debn : The fact is, Portland is not suitable for a regional hub. Why? There aren't just enough people in this area. Geographically, pacific northwest is pret
44 Trvlr : How often does LAX get shut down from fog? At SAN where I live it only happens maybe once every quarter of a year or so. Aaron G.
45 Alex Logan : They could use SEA and run the MD-11. Alex
46 Ctbarnes : It's a pity DL is pulling out. I hope when staff numbers are reduced, I hope they will be re-assigned. I'm guessing DL's flight attendant base will be
47 DesertJets : This is the part that confuses me, why are they dropping the service to Kennedy Airport and keeping a short hop to Seattle. My understanding is that t
48 DesertJets : As for who comes into fill DL's void is anyones guess. The problem with a city being a on coast is that it doesn't neccessarily make a great hub, unle
49 Nickofatlanta : A look at DL's timetable on their web-site indicates the following flights from PDX to JFK: DL 1970 Dep. PDX 1:00pm Arr. JFK 9:10pm NONSTOP connecting
50 Dalflyer : Hello Everyone, Now that Delta is moving their remaining flights to JFK and LAX, I have a question regarding the rescheduled flight to NGO from LAX? S
51 DesertJets : I think Delta would be the only airline, not sure about JAL, to have any flight from the US to Nagoya. Plus from LAX it would make the most sense. Seo
52 N754pr : I flew Delta via Portland two months ago. Very nice airport. What I can say is my MD-11 in and out of Portland to and from Tokyo was almost full. So w
53 Nickofatlanta : I believe NW will increase its Detroit - Nagoya flights to daily starting next spring.
54 ContinentalEWR : The Portland-Tokyo and Nagoya frequencies are being shifted as follows: PDX-NRT becomes JFK-NRT PDX-Nagoya becomes LAX-Nagoya Both routes will be serv
55 Nickofatlanta : Portland's location does not seem to me to be ideal for a hub. It's similar to BOS - extreme northern corner of the country. No single airline dominat
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