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DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88  
User currently offline28thguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10119 times:

Delta Air Lines is recalling 64 furloughed pilots this summer, as the carrier tries to take advantage of improving industry revenues by increasing capacity on key domestic and international routes.

The Atlanta-based airline, which has been operating under bankruptcy-court protection since September, said it was sending letters to its most senior furloughed pilots, seeking to begin training classes for pilots as soon as June 28. The carrier has about 465 pilots on its furlough list, most of whom were last in a Delta cockpit five years ago when, in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Delta and other airlines began sidelining workers.

Delta, the third-largest U.S. carrier in terms of traffic, is mounting a major expansion of international routes as it moves from being a largely domestic carrier to one with greater global reach and one more resembling successful carriers such as Continental Airlines. To replace wide-body aircraft being moved to international service, Delta executives are shopping for shorter-haul aircraft, including MD-80s and Boeing 757s. Delta is expressing interest in 19 757 aircraft on which AMR Corp.'s American Airlines this past week said it wouldn't renew leases. The aircraft don't fit into American's fleet because of different engines, but they have engines similar to Delta's 757 fleet.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1149...376646.html?mod=home_whats_news_us

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User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10102 times:

Wow, this surprises me that Delta still isn't making money but they're shopping for more planes, I hope this works out for them.

User currently offlineFanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1615 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10078 times:

Well summer bookings are very strong, and March results were excellent, pointing towards exit from bankruptcy right on schedule, or early.

What I don't get is the summer schudule is pretty much set, since we're here. I guess they'll have to re-adjust things. Maybe add the third SLC-JFK back!



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User currently offline28thguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10034 times:

I assume that the MD-88s may also be used to replace departing 733s/732s.

I wonder if the rumors that they are looking at the ex-Iberia MD-88s are also true.


User currently offlineIH8B6 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 210 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10034 times:

Quoting 28thguy (Thread starter):
Delta executives are shopping for shorter-haul aircraft, including MD-80s and Boeing 757s. Delta is expressing interest in 19 757 aircraft on which AMR Corp.'s American Airlines this past week said it wouldn't renew leases. The aircraft don't fit into American's fleet because of different engines, but they have engines similar to Delta's 757 fleet.

I'd like to know what the WSJ's source is on the above. The DL press release only contains info about the pilots. While it would be great, I would love know exactly who says the DL execs are shopping.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9982 times:

Ha, WSJ probably quoted the information "rumor" from this site!

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9951 times:

Are the TWA 757s ETOPS? I really hope Delta doesn't put 757s on Hawaii routes, even though they cannot do ATL/CVG-HNL, and can barely do SLC-Hawaii runs.


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User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9951 times:

Well, adding 19 757's to the fleet would be a great idea. Delta can use low-cost mainline capacity. The 757's are seeing a renaissance serving international point to point routes.

Too bad the construction line couldn't last to see them back in demand again.



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User currently offlineBucky707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9929 times:

Yes the TWA 757s are ETOPS planes.

[Edited 2006-06-10 17:48:52]

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9882 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 6):
Are the TWA 757s ETOPS? I really hope Delta doesn't put 757s on Hawaii routes, even though they cannot do ATL/CVG-HNL, and can barely do SLC-Hawaii runs.

I think it would be wiser to use them on JFK-Europe routes like CO has done so successfully out of EWR, and that's probably what DL has in mind. There are lots of smaller markets--and larger markets off season--where a 763 is just too much airplane. Being able to use the 757 across the Atlantic would give DL much more flexibility in route planning.



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User currently offlineOkie73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9882 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 9):
I think it would be wiser to use them on JFK-Europe routes like CO has done so successfully out of EWR, and that's probably what DL has in mind.

I think you would see some ETOPS 757s to Hawaii if only to free up the 764 to go to Europe. I don't think the yield would be as good on a Hawaii flight vs a Europe flight, better to put the bigger plane on the route with the highest potential revenue.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9858 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 9):
I think it would be wiser to use them on JFK-Europe routes like CO has done so successfully out of EWR, and that's probably what DL has in mind. There are lots of smaller markets--and larger markets off season--where a 763 is just too much airplane. Being able to use the 757 across the Atlantic would give DL much more flexibility in route planning

Maybe so, on routes such as JFK-LIS. Delta could even add BusinessElite seating.

Another possiblity is to use them to complement the ex-ATA aircraft on Latin American routes.



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 667 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9792 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 9):
I think it would be wiser to use them on JFK-Europe routes like CO has done so successfully out of EWR, and that's probably what DL has in mind. There are lots of smaller markets--and larger markets off season--where a 763 is just too much airplane. Being able to use the 757 across the Atlantic would give DL much more flexibility in route planning

Why not pull a page out of AA's playbook and use the 757's on BOS-Europe routes. I bet if AA and DL force Massport's hand, they will be able to have Customs/INS in Term.A and B as at BOS, DL and AA are the largest carriers and bring in most of the revenue for Massport in terms of landing fees. Also, use them on select JFK-Europe routes to beef up their Int'l standing there. These would really help DL in terms of Int'l expansion as the 767's are up to full capacity in terms of Int'l runs, and without "new" aircraft on the horizon, they could get decent used from AA/TW. Added MD-88's would help their domestic, by shifting larger capacity aircraft to short range Int'l/Florida routes. I hope this is a sign that DL is on the road to exit BK.

Cheers from BDL and BAFwave 
DeltaGuy767



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User currently offlineCharlipr From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2005, 340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9382 times:

I read also in another thread, not long ago, that FX was also shopping for some B757's. Looks like the B757's are back in high demand!!! Should have Boeing waited a little longer to close the line? Only the know!!  banghead 

User currently offlineFLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9153 times:

i don't know why Boeing hasn't reopened the 757 line. There is no plane like it and imho it is a very useful and demanded plane.

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6789 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9141 times:

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 14):
i don't know why Boeing hasn't reopened the 757 line. There is no plane like it and imho it is a very useful and demanded plane.

Aren't most of these airlines looking for used, cheaper 757? Opening up the 757 line by boeing would just put new, expensive aircraft on the market. The 757 is making a big comeback because they are cheap powerhouses.. with "cheap" being the operative word. They are going for between $19-25 Million each.. which is really cheap compared to the price of a new one...



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9141 times:

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 14):
i don't know why Boeing hasn't reopened the 757 line. There is no plane like it and imho it is a very useful and demanded plane.

Delta actually had options for 757-200s before the line was closed. Delta still has options for 767-300ERs and 767-400ERs. If the 767 line stays open, I actually wouldn't be suprised if Delta ordered more 767-400ERs, for expanded service to Europe.

[Edited 2006-06-11 02:15:02]


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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9083 times:

I wish United, too, would pick up a few used planes until it can buy new ones. I'm sick of flying on fully packed 737s. United, too, has record bookings this summer but no additional mainline equipment in sight. Tons of United cities can use additional capacity but all Elk Grove is giving them are United Express flights or nothing at all.

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9818 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8939 times:

Quoting Charlipr (Reply 13):
I read also in another thread, not long ago, that FX was also shopping for some B757's. Looks like the B757's are back in high demand!!! Should have Boeing waited a little longer to close the line? Only the know!!

I think the rumor that FedEx might acquire the ex TWA 757s is purely a rumor created on A.net since the 757 isn't part of the FX fleet. FedEx though is looking for planes.

The 757s that we are talking about are very new planes and they still have many years of passenger service still left in them. I think they would be a good acquisition for Delta since they are losing the 767s from domestic runs. Delta has always carried a lot of passengers. They have used widebodies on shorter flights for years and Delta is one of the biggest airlines in the country based on passengers carried. The 757s would be a good fit for flights to Florida and other busy routes out of ATL.



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User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8491 times:

Quoting N353SK (Reply 1):
Wow, this surprises me that Delta still isn't making money but they're shopping for more planes, I hope this works out for them.

They turned a profit in April: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2800050

They would have also made a profit in May except that passengers boked away as a result of the threstened pilot strike.

Long range bookings for June, July, August are strong.


User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7596 times:

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 14):
i don't know why Boeing hasn't reopened the 757 line.

I don't how many times this has been said, but the tooling for the 757 has been scrapped. This is impossible. You would basically have to re-launch the 757... OR concentrate on Y1 (the 737 replacement).

Things seem to be looking good for DL...  bigthumbsup 


User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7052 times:

I am still puzzled at the MD-88 naming on the article. Where would they be able to get some? I know that Iberia (as it has been mentioned previously) is one of the few carriers left that have MD-88's in the fleet that is looking to retire them. Why would DL add more of these birds? I can definitely understand the 757 logic due to the considerable lower pricing in the 2nd hand market and the performance capabilities of the airliner.
Regards



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4763 posts, RR: 44
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6998 times:

Quoting 767-332ER (Reply 21):
I am still puzzled at the MD-88 naming on the article. Where would they be able to get some? I know that Iberia (as it has been mentioned previously) is one of the few carriers left that have MD-88's in the fleet that is looking to retire them. Why would DL add more of these birds?

What exactly puzzles you about why they would want -88s?

Getting more -88s allows DL to take 738s off shorter routes w/o reduction of capacity allowing the 738s to fly longer segments in unison with the 757s.

Pretty sound strategy for procurring additional fleet units without the cost of brand new airplanes....



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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5339 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6836 times:

The reason DL would want MD88s is...they're an excellent plane for a lot of missions that DL has. Would it be nice if they were a tad more fuel-efficent (like, say, a 717-300 or -400 would have been)? Absolutely. But given that they can be had at a decent capital cost, that they are a substantial part of the DL fleet, with tools, parts and pilots already available, and they are the right size and have the right flight characteristics for so many of DL's missions, it makes total sense to me.

The bottom line is that many of the legacies have stopped chasing market share at the expense of profitability. This means that you can fly smaller aircraft, provided that they're still large enough to give you decent economy of scale (meaning an MD80, not a Tinkerjet).

[Edited 2006-06-11 10:08:30]

User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5339 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6791 times:

Given that there are fewer than 20 MD88s that would even conceivably be available to DL in the short term, wouldn't it be the case that they would consider late-model MD-82/83s, many of which came from the factory with the improvements made on the MD88? Couldn't they be "commonized" with DL's fleet for a relatively-low investment in avionics?

25 Ttailsteve : Like another poster said, the line is gone. No tools, no jigs, just gone and can't easily be reopended. However, maybe boeing could sell the 757 plan
26 Nlink : Some of Delta's MD88 are converted MD82's
27 OyKIE : I was thinking the very same thing. Wouldn't it make sense for DL to get the Alaska MD-80's that they will retire? Allot of them are very young. Only
28 Positiverate : DL's MD-88's do not have IFE nor do they have the 717 interior either, so picking up Alaska's shouldn't be a problem.
29 1337Delta764 : I wish Delta would install IFE on their MD-80s, even if it is not PTVs. The 737-800 system would be a good fit IMO. It would feature LCD screens unde
30 Alitalia744 : Correct, the first 3-5 aircraft were MD82s as MDC wasn't available to deliver -88s in time. The birds went back to MDC for cockpit and engine upgrade
31 Wjcandee : As I think Positiverate knows, one of the differences in the MD88 was that you could order a new video system with drop-down LCD screens. Accordingly
32 Dl757md : Good point Wjcandee. Delta is currently going through a weight reduction campaign. We are removing everything that we absolutely don't need. For exam
33 LawnDart : Prophetic words?
34 RMD11 : Off topic I know but any idea which one has more flight to BOS, comair/eagle included? from what I see in the air the seem to be about the same but D
35 Litz : OTOH - if they can find a way to remove the dropdown LCDs system from a 738 that gets converted to in-seat IFE song-style, and install them on a MD88
36 1337Delta764 : The 757 CRT screens are ceiling-mounted, and the MD-88's ceiling is lower than on a 757. Therefore, the 737-800 system would be more appropriate for
37 DAL767400ER : Eagle should still have slightly more flights, though their own Amelie Earhart Terminal will be torn down, and all ops have been moved to AA's termin
38 Post contains images Alitalia744 : DAL767400ER, latest report I've heard is all 70+ 738s will get the interiors.
39 DAL767400ER : Long-term of course, that's a given, but for now, it's officially just "around 100 planes of ours 737-800, 757-200 and 767-300 series" that will get
40 Post contains images Alitalia744 : Official and actual always differ as you know But ok, I'll agree that for now "around 100 planes of ours 737-800, 757-200 and 767-300 series."
41 Litz : Actually, what I meant was the head-end units would be available from the 757 conversions ... not the overhead screens, too ... (It would be pretty s
42 OyKIE : Okay, Thank you for that information. I thought Delta had upgraded their cabin interior similar to what SAS has been doing. The problem I saw with th
43 DeltaGuy : Picking up a handful of TW's old 757's would make alot of sense, they're all fairley young and mostly being neglected in the desert, or soon will be.
44 Lotsamiles : What about the difference in door configuration on the ex-TWA (4 door) versus the Delta fleet (3 plus overwing)? Wouldn't that cause problems with sea
45 Alitalia744 : Yeah, according to AA (that and the 'lower level of IFE offerred LOLOL).. but, DL has two different configs on the 763ERs (-332ERs vs. -3P6ER & -324E
46 DeltaRules : DL has a few 763ERs that have 6 doors & 2 overwing exits instead of the 4 door & 4 overwing exit configuration & have made it work, so I'd think they
47 1337Delta764 : If Delta configures these for international flights with BusinessElite, that would make up for the difference in exits, as the aircraft would be used
48 Milesrich : If Delta wants more MD's, there are MD-90's available, and since they are keeping the 16 they have, they would make more sense, as the bugs are out of
49 Wjcandee : While that may be a possibility, one of the DL maint guys who posts on here regularly, who doesn't dislike the aircraft for any reason other than mai
50 Dl757md : I'm the guy Wjcandee is talking about. Yeah they're a pain in the butt. My station is the main one handling MD-90s now that DFW is no longer a mtc ba
51 DeltaGuy : I wouldn't be surprised if those pilot recalls were in response to a possible handful of pilots quitting after these new BS paycuts....it wouldn't sur
52 Post contains images Panamair : The "BS paycuts" have been in effect since mid-December 2005 with the interim TA...so they waited until now to quit/retire? 'Cause they thought that
53 Bucky707 : I won't comment on the pay cuts.....whats done is done and we can't change it now. But, DeltaGuy is right on the money. This current group of recalls
54 Post contains images DeltaGuy : Thanks Bucky There'll still be something like 430 guys on the street, the most junior having been on furlough now for 5 yrs...long time to spend away
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