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Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!  
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9678 times:

From MOL himself:

http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqid=14933-qqqx=1.asp

32 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6371 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9602 times:

No sign of ordering larger aircraft just starting a base out of Europe. Still very interesting.

User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3492 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9562 times:

They could timidely start with a B739ER to DXB  Wink

User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3020 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9509 times:

It doesn't make sense to me to open a new base outside Europe. I think the costs would be to much for a LCC like Ryanair it is.

User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3185 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9444 times:

Well, opening a base in Tunesia or Morocco would already be 'outside Europe' and would make a lot of sense. A base in Russia could also be very interesting.

User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4126 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9401 times:

Russia is a very ineresting market. Unfortunately the carriers need to fight with a lot of bureaucratic problems.
The Kremlin unfortunately has plans to merge all the Russian carriers into Aeroflot...and if this is going to happen then even Ryanair cannot change a thing...

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3492 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9401 times:

Ryanair should register planes in Tunisia if they would open a base there. Imagine a Ryanair Tunisia livery with regs.like TS-IRY  Wink Three B738W to start MRS, MPL, BVS, CRL, HHN, CIA, BGY, STN, LPL, FKB...think about it O'Leary !!!

User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4700 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9155 times:

From the article:

O’Leary said he would not leave the airline in 2008, as previously stated.

‘‘I will leave some time in the next couple of years; I wouldn’t tie myself down to 2008,” he said. ‘‘It will be some time after Ryanair has established world domination, then it will be time to go.”


 laughing 



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9127 times:

Why is it that they are saying that the aircraft limits them to flight of 4 and half hours or less ?. The 737-800 can fly for a lot longer than that.

User currently offlineTom12 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9023 times:

Quoting Artsyman (Reply 8):
Why is it that they are saying that the aircraft limits them to flight of 4 and half hours or less ?. The 737-800 can fly for a lot longer than that.

I was just thinking that, what is the 737's Average operating time wth full PAX and Cargo? .......... lets say weather is also average.

Tom



"Per noctem volamus" - Royal Air Force Bomber Squadron IX
User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4126 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8982 times:

A low cost carrier is traditionally flying on short routes. To split costs efficiently, they need to fly as much rotations as possible a day.

Maybe the Boeing is not limited, but their business model is limited to "shorter" routes. 4 hour+ routes are simply not good for a LCC.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineTom12 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8942 times:

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 10):
A low cost carrier is traditionally flying on short routes. To split costs efficiently, they need to fly as much rotations as possible a day.

Maybe the Boeing is not limited, but their business model is limited to "shorter" routes. 4 hour+ routes are simply not good for a LCC.

While this is definetly true there are more and more LCC expanding into other markets, JetStar International and Globespan are classic examples.

I think we will see more and more low cost airlines expand into international markets.

Tom



"Per noctem volamus" - Royal Air Force Bomber Squadron IX
User currently offlineRaventom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8908 times:

People will definately get hungry on long haul flights to Asia. More money?


I love the smell of burnt kerosene!!!!!!!!!!!!
User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8009 times:

Quoting Raventom (Reply 12):
People will definately get hungry on long haul flights to Asia. More money?

It'll all be buy on board, so if the passengers go hungry, FR will say it's the passengers fault.
I have no doubt that the 737-800 can do more than 4 1/2 hours, but it's the question if passengers will be willing to, My guess is, is that if the price is right, then passengers will be willing to.

I'd guess a base in maybe Eastern Europe would be ideal, or maybe the route to Asia would be an add on to another route to say Poland ?

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 5):
The Kremlin unfortunately has plans to merge all the Russian carriers into Aeroflot...

Isn't that basicaly what it was during the Soviet rule ?

Wrighbrothers



Always stand up for what is right, even if it means standing alone..
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6937 posts, RR: 77
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7971 times:

‘‘It will be some time after Ryanair has established world domination, then it will be time to go.”

 Yeah sure


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineCyba From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2005, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7070 times:

Quoting Artsyman (Reply 8):
Why is it that they are saying that the aircraft limits them to flight of 4 and half hours or less ?. The 737-800 can fly for a lot longer than that.

I suspect the problem might be with the crew not with the aircraft. I think the maximum non-stop working day for crew is 10 hours. At a stage length longer than 4 1/2 hrs they would get close to exceeding this limit. And in that case they would not be able to return the crew to base but would instead have to overnight them at the destination which is expensive.


User currently offlineJamotcx From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6803 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 3):
It doesn't make sense to me to open a new base outside Europe. I think the costs would be to much for a LCC like Ryanair it is.

Well from the T+C's for Ryanair pilots at least (well the ones on newish contracts) they can be shipped from hub to hub at 30 days notice. So wouldnt be too much extra at all for Ryanair. Infact as the Pilots pay is mainly dictated on the pay of the base they work from.... need I say more?


Jamo


User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6653 times:

When Ryanair hint's at Asia.... I think Turkey... Turkey is in Asia.
Turkey is just at the end of that 4.5 hour range from London, but in range for Ryanair's mainland hubs... and Hahn would be a natural given the turkish population of Germany.

Turkey is a net reciepient of EU money and potential member and puts it in the same sphere as Morrocco and Tunisia.

Cyprus is also in Asia (being below Turkey), but is considered Mediterranean and hence European, considering it's closer to Syria, Lebanon and Israel more than it is to Greece. Cyprus wouldnt make sense as a base though.



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User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6230 times:

IMO Ryanair would do extremely well with operations out of Turkey - mainly to Germany, Holland and Switzerland - because of the huge Turkish populations in those countries. They would have a lot of competition from other Turkish carriers though - even Turkish Airlines offers very competitive fares for immigrants to travel to Turkey during holidays. Maybe Ryanair and EasyJet could turn Sabiha Gokcen into a second Stansted!

User currently offlineLoungeLover From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5037 times:

I wish them all the best, but being 6ft6 you would have to beat me to death before I spend more than 2hours on a no-frills LCC such as FR!!!

User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6581 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4797 times:
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It's a dumb idea, as someone correctly stated, the LCC model works only on shot/medium haul routes. Remember People Express and Laker Airways?

User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3401 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4772 times:

"�Planning permission is a load of bullshit"

It is there for a reason though - if very single minded people could do what they liked without things like planning permission you'd end up with the whole of Dublin demolished to make space for M'Ol to park his 737s!


User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4772 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 20):
It's a dumb idea, as someone correctly stated, the LCC model works only on shot/medium haul routes. Remember People Express and Laker Airways?

The difference is that FR wouldn't necessary be flying any longer sectors than it currently does; if you want to get to Asia with them it would just require a stopover or 2. From a cost perspective for FR there isn't the same risk; no widebody acquisition etc; just an expansion of the network that requires a couple of stops if you're trying to get from one end of it to the other.


User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3492 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4762 times:

From SAW they would also serve Tunisia because Istanbul is a popular shopping and tourism destination for Tunisians. Last August my Pex.fare to IST, with TK, was 370 DT/200 Euros !!!

User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4603 times:

Quoting LoungeLover (Reply 19):
I wish them all the best, but being 6ft6 you would have to beat me to death before I spend more than 2hours on a no-frills LCC such as FR!!!

That being because Ryanair's 737's are smaller in height than everyone elses ??

Seat pitch is the same as everyone else.

Maybe you saw a 1:500 model in a shop and thought it was real ?



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25 CYatUK : There were rumors in Cypriot Press that Ryanair think of starting services to Cyprus sometime next year. Initially the service will be a daily flight
26 SLUAviator : Tell that to Southwest. They have lots of flights scheduled at over 4 hours including BWI-LAS at 5 hours and BWI-LAX at 5:25. Flight times for those
27 Traveler_7 : As someone suggested first they could jump in in to charter flights market?
28 Post contains images Asturias : A base in Istanbul would be outside Europe. I suppose Ryanair has to expand somewhere.. I think it could happen. I still wouldn't fly Ryanair cheers A
29 AR385 : That is true but the overhead is going to cancel out the model. And I do not know if many people would traavel to Asia in a 737. Also, the sector wou
30 Mika10021 : For a base the should consider Greece,Turkey,Cyprus and of course the one yopu all forgot: DBX. There should be a low cost route to Cyprus. With 600.0
31 CYatUK : Agree. I think what stops them from doing it is the 4h+ flight time from U.K. to Cyprus. There is a quite big market on all UK-Cyprus routes, given t
32 Post contains links and images 777klm : Modified Airliner Photos:Design � EdineyTemplate � Iberian Spotters Modified Airliner Photos:Design � Martin AvesTemplate � Martin
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