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What Makes AA Super MD-80?  
User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21018 times:
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I was just looking at a reservation I have coming up on AA and why does the aircraft show as a "Super" MD-80? Is there any difference in their MD80's versus Delta's that makes them "super?"

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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21003 times:

Back in the day the MD-80 was the DC-9 Super 80.

A few airlines called them Super 80's including Alitalia and American...

There's no real difference other than the series (AAs are -82/83 vs. DL's -88s)



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21003 times:

They're super, thanks for asking.  Wink

But no, it's simply a cute little naming gimmick on AA's part.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 20983 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 2):
But no, it's simply a cute little naming gimmick on AA's part

Exactly. Nothing different about them from any other airlines MD-80s. We had them and they were anything but "super".



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 20962 times:

maybe a bit of AArrogance?  duck 


-m

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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 20962 times:

Back then AA wanted to different from being a DC9 product which it is, a DC-9-83. So instead of calling it a DC9-83 (which to this day some agents call it a DC9) they changed the name to Super 80. So people would not think it was a DC9.

I remember boarding my flight in STL and she said "This aircraft is a DC-9-83, I walked up and said this is not a DC9, it is an MD80 or Super 80 look again, and she did and it was indeed a Super 80 on her computer  Silly. She said "how did you know that?" I said "I need a life thats how"  Silly

Alex



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User currently offlinePhxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 20946 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 5):
I remember boarding my flight in STL and she said "This aircraft is a DC-9-83, I walked up and said this is not a DC9, it is an MD80 or Super 80 look again, and she did and it was indeed a Super 80 on her computer . She said "how did you know that?" I said "I need a life thats how"

Thats funny


User currently offlineDeltaFFinDFW From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 1440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 20921 times:

Also, depending on if your booking engine uses Sabre, all flights might be called Super-80. At my previous firm, all my corporate travel itineraries called DL MD-88s "Super 80".

User currently offlineWarmNuts From United States of America, joined May 2006, 94 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 20876 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 1):
Back in the day the MD-80 was the DC-9 Super 80.



Alitalia744 is correct. This label did not originate with AA, but with McDonald-Douglas. It was used to designate the -80 series, which was hellalong compared to its predecessors. This moniker was actually used by quite a few other airlines, including our former hometown airline, PSA, the first US airline to fly the Super 80.

[Edited 2006-06-12 01:08:05]

User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 20835 times:

I love to give AA agents a rough time about the "Super 80" thing. I ask, "What makes it super? Does it travel at Mach 1, fly itself, or what? It looks like everyone else's MD80, except that you forgot to paint yours."

I love the replies I get. The best one so far from a reservation agent: "I'm not sure, but it must be something important otherwise they wouldn't call it Super."

Mark


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 20795 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 3):
We had them and they were anything but "super".

Ditto. I flew on a CO MD-80 once from RSW to EWR in 1999. The interior was old, the plane was noisy, and there was no IFE. The current 737s are a vast improvement.


User currently offlineJacks757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 20728 times:

Because they are loud  goodvibes 

User currently offlineCsturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 20654 times:

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 10):
and there was no IFE.

I am not picking on you but people in general, but I love  sarcastic  how people whine and cry about no IFE or inflight services.



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3503 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 20559 times:

If they use the same criteria that Taco del Mar uses to differentiate between regular and super burritos, it's the addition of sour cream and guacamole to the aircraft.


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User currently offlineBaron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 20540 times:

Quoting Csturdiv (Reply 12):
I am not picking on you but people in general, but I love how people whine and cry about no IFE or inflight services.

If you think IFE (with Sat TV and VoD) is not important, you my friend, are a dinosaur.

My car has 2 DVD/video game screens. Most buses have live TV/Videos. Low cost carriers have like Jet Blue have them. It is only the sad, sad state of affairs with the US airlines aging and decrepit fleet that these things are not in every flight.

I am an Exec Platinum American Airlines flyer (that is 100K miles + year) and it is an embarrassment to see their first class and business class international cabins compared to some third world airlines. LAN Chile for example has better IFE on coach on their 767s than American has in first class on their 777.

You underestimate the value that high yield passenger put on these things. Wait till the first US network airline deploys a modern fleet with IFE and you'll see the rush on the others to match.



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User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20430 times:

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 14):
LAN Chile for example has better IFE on coach on their 767s than American has in first class on their 777.

Thats a real worry, and i bet its the same with united, their product is very far behind eg. their 747's all their competiors have IFE in Y and even Y+ but not United.



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User currently offlineCptSpeaking From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20419 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 2):
They're super, thanks for asking.

HAHAHAHA  rotfl 

I hope I'm not the only one that got that...  biggrin 

Your CptSpeaking  wave 



...and don't call me Shirley!!
User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20387 times:

Quoting Csturdiv (Reply 12):
Csturdiv

It would depend on the length of flight with some people. DTW to MCI or ATL its no big thing there is no inflight entertainment. DTW-LAX or SEA, now that's a different story.
safe



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User currently offlineThecheese From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20380 times:
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I remember flying a Hawaiian Airlines interisland flight, right when the Super 80s were first going into service. Hawaiian was flying them under their DC-9 type certificate with several rows of seats blocked off, until the Super-80 cert was approved.

User currently offlineCsturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20354 times:

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 14):
You underestimate the value that high yield passenger put on these things. Wait till the first US network airline deploys a modern fleet with IFE and you'll see the rush on the others to match.

So I guess the fleets of AirTran and Jetblue are not modern?



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User currently offlineBaron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 20125 times:

Quoting Csturdiv (Reply 19):
Quoting Baron95 (Reply 14):
You underestimate the value that high yield passenger put on these things. Wait till the first US network airline deploys a modern fleet with IFE and you'll see the rush on the others to match.


So I guess the fleets of AirTran and Jetblue are not modern?

The key is NETWORK Airline - AA, UA, DL, CO. Jet Blue fleet will start to offer serious competition - particularly when their E190 with IFE enter widespread service bypassing hubs.



Killer Fleet: E190, 737-900ER, 777-300ER
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8898 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 20076 times:

Personally, I know myself and several other business travellers will place a higher emphasis on flight schedules and Frequent Flyer programs than IFE. Is it important on a trans-Oceanic segment - you bet. But on that 45 minute GSO-ATL hop? Not at all - if I'm really desperate, I'll pop an episode of Seinfeld or something (I normally carry a sleeve of a season from a DVD set in my briefcase since it fits quite nicely) and watch that if I want IFE.

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 20):
The key is NETWORK Airline - AA, UA, DL, CO. Jet Blue fleet will start to offer serious competition - particularly when their E190 with IFE enter widespread service bypassing hubs.

DL is starting to implement this...all 737-800s/757s/767s doing domestic routes are getting live television. Only the MD-88s (which are mostly doing sub-750 mile routes) are not getting them. If only Delta would take a page from AA and put Powerports for laptops on all their planes...that would mean a lot more to me than television (although I did love on my one Song trip, taking off from Seattle, I was lying across three seats watching the 2 a.m. (East Coast/11 p.m. West Coast) SportsCenter before sleeping...it was just like I was at home laying on my couch.

Jeff


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 20066 times:

If I recall correctly, the builder's plate, located in the door frame of L1 on the left side usually indicates whether it's a DC-9-82 or DC-9-83, as well as the date the plane was completed.

The ironic thing is that the plates says "Douglas Aircraft Company, Long Beach, CA."

I thought the whole reason that the name went from DC-9-Super 80 to MD-80 was that the McDonnell family wanted the whole world to know that they were running things at Long Beach, and not the heirs of Donald Douglas. You would thing that the builder's plate should read, "McDonnell Douglas Corportation, Long Beach, CA."

As for why the MD-80s don't have IFE, a friend of mine is an AA pilot. He got the answer from a friend, while the MD-80s were receiving upgraded interiors in the late 90s.

1. If the MD-80s had TV monitors like the 737s, 757s, etc., passengers and crew were more likely to bump their heads, since the cabin ceilings on the MD-80s are lower than on AA's widebodies and Boeing narrowbodies.

2. Even if the MD-80s had only audio, the weight of the system would cut into cargo payload.

3. Since the MD-80s were purchased to fly short and medium-haul routes, they weren't equiped to handle an IFE. Retrofitting an IFE system would be expensive and time-consuming.

I have some doubts about the last one, since UA took delivery of its 727 fleet without IFE, but I remember having audio on 727-200s in the 90s. Perhaps the commonality of the 727 fuselage with the 707 fuselage made for easier installation.


User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 20046 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 13):
If they use the same criteria that Taco del Mar uses to differentiate between regular and super burritos, it's the addition of sour cream and guacamole to the aircraft.

ROFL!!!!


Seriously though, AA has a lot of strange names for their aircraft. The DC-10s and A300s used to be called "Luxury Liners."


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 20035 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 2):
But no, it's simply a cute little naming gimmick on AA's part.

Actually it's the designation MD first gave it, the DC-9 Super 80.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 2):
They're super, thanks for asking.

Everything is super when you're-


25 Post contains images 2H4 : Perhaps the "Super" designation refers to the price per seat into and out of the DFW region... 2H4
26 N1120A : Actually, that is not exactly true. Yes, originally the plane was the DC-9-80/81/82/83 but it was refered to as the DC-9 Super 80, much like the DC-8
27 Ckfred : Remember that airlines used to have names for their aircraft. UA called their planes Mainliners. PA had Clippers. AA had Flagships. Then came the Jet
28 Starlionblue : Probably because the Douglas Aircraft Company was owned by MD, but still called that. As has been said, the MD-80 is just another DC-9 up until the D
29 CWAFlyer : I remember when TWA got their first MD80's. The customer service agents were given buttons to wear that said "McDonnell Douglas DC-9-80...It's just pl
30 Post contains links and images Braniff1960 : They call it that because: Thats what was painted on the nose when they bought it! View Large View MediumPhoto © Andy Martin - AirTeamImages
31 Post contains links and images United787 : The 767s too. View Large View MediumPhoto © Webb Cooley
32 Coa747 : IFE is not a consideration when I book a flight. If it is for you then I would suggest investing some money in a personal IFE unit then you won't have
33 Post contains images DeltaGuy767 : Try saying that when you're on an AA tin-can flying from BDL-DFW, it makes you feel as though if you were on a CRJ. Cheers from BDL, DeltaGuy767
34 Jcf5002 : Well I can also tell you that it means "Super-Dumper" because when they spill fuel, they don't just have a couple of drops, end of story: We're talki
35 Tommy777 : What's super about it, is the super loud noise it makes
36 N1120A : They aren't really that loud. It is actually a very refined low rumble and the aircraft are all Stage III without hushkits.
37 Baron95 : Well, well, well. That depends on where you sit. If you sit in the back of the plane, near the engines, forget about talking to anyone - it is noisy,
38 MSYtristar : I was on an AA Super 80 from MSY to ORD two months ago in the fourth to last row window seat, and it wasn't that loud at all. Just a tad louder than
39 N1120A : From a noise standpoint, I was talking about exterior noise not interior noise. Yes, sitting in the back of a fuselage mounted plane is always louder
40 FlyDeltaJets : That's what iPods were made for.
41 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : No their not, I just did ORD-PVR and back on a S80 and it was good times in the back. N1120A: Why argue with a n00b?
42 ContnlEliteCMH : I guess I'm a bit of a dinosaur, then. But I see an immediate difference between you and me: for the mileage you're accruing, you probably fly a lot
43 AAden : lol I believe that most of the 737s do not have IFE correct not on the 735s
44 MSYtristar : I think the UA 735's (like the 733's) have audio entertainment. Someone correct me if i'm wrong.
45 MoMan : It means "Super Quiet" which, since I always get front rows of coach of first class makes for a super flight.
46 Pelican22 : The title "Super",is an old aviation monikor used by aircraft manufacturers to describe a new or stretched version of their aircraft. i.e BAC 1-11 ser
47 N1120A : Yes on the 735s. MSYTristar was absolutely correct. United has a minimum of Audio IFE on every mainline aircraft, which includes XM Radio and Channel
48 AAden : the last time I flew on a united 735 den-tus I don't beleive they have any ife becuase I was looking forward to channel 9 that was about a year ago w
49 N1120A : Their 735s have had audio IFE since they were delivered in the early 1990s. I don't know why your flight didn't. Perhaps Channel 9 was turned off.
50 SirOmega : Indeed, this time next week I'll be on a S80 to ORD. I got as far up in the cabin as I could (except for the bulkhead row since I like the underseat
51 TWAtwaTWA : The MD-80s or "Mad Dogs" get a bad rap for being antiquated and loud. If you have elite status or early bookings, there is no reason you can't sit in
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