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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

SkyTeam, BAA agree to Heathrow co-location
Monday June 12, 2006
Nine SkyTeam member carriers signed an MOU with BAA Friday confirming their co-location at London Heathrow's Terminal 4 in 2008, when the new T5 opens and the airport reorganizes (ATWOnline, March 28).The alliance said nearly 3.5 million passengers travel through LHR each year aboard Aeroflot, Air France-KLM, Alitalia, CSA Czech Airlines and Korean Air. KLM already operates out of T4. AeroMexico, Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines are parties to the agreement and will have the option to take a place in T4 should they serve Heathrow in the future.

The alliance will upgrade the terminal to include 32 check-in desks, additional luggage drop-off locations, lounges and space for self-serve kiosks.

The above is from ATW Online Daily News. Curiously, CO is not part of the nine carriers that will co-locate at LHR. What meaning do we derive from that?

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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Quoting DL Widget Head (Thread starter):
The alliance will upgrade the terminal to include 32 check-in desks, additional luggage drop-off locations, lounges and space for self-serve kiosks.

How many check-in desks are there now? Does this mean they will be expanding the terminal?

Quoting DL Widget Head (Thread starter):
The above is from ATW Online Daily News. Curiously, CO is not part of the nine carriers that will co-locate at LHR. What meaning do we derive from that?

Probably just a typo.


Also, do they plan to actually put the terminal under one roof and get rid of all those tube walk ways they have?


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
Also, do they plan to actually put the terminal under one roof and get rid of all those tube walk ways they have?

I doubt that, as it adds a hell of a lot of gates to the terrminal and I think quite a few non alligned airlines will be using T4 as well, especially when T2 get bulldozed!........That said having flown on numerous occasions from T4 I have had to walk to those end gates and it can take forever!


User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
How many check-in desks are there now? Does this mean they will be expanding the terminal?

AT present, about 95 desks.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
Also, do they plan to actually put the terminal under one roof and get rid of all those tube walk ways they have?



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 2):
I doubt that, as it adds a hell of a lot of gates to the terrminal and I think quite a few non alligned airlines will be using T4 as well, especially when T2 get bulldozed!........That said having flown on numerous occasions from T4 I have had to walk to those end gates and it can take forever!

The extension to T4, the victor pier, added 4 gates...not quite a 'hell of a lot'. These are indeed an important part of T4 and will likely continue to be used. This is all technically under 'one roof'. Many airports have long walkways to some gates, so this is not unique to LHR.


User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

Does this mean MEA will also be moving terminals?


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User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2222 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

You can expect quite a lot of non-skyteam airlines to go to terminal 4 as AFSL and KGS (airlines already at T4 such as Air Malta, Kenya, KLM) do quite a bit of ground handling of their own.

User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 763 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

Quoting DL Widget Head (Thread starter):
CO is not part of the nine carriers that will co-locate at LHR

I'm sure CO will be where VS is as long as their extensive agreement is in place.

CO "has" 11 daily flights out of LHR on VS aircrafts so i suppose any airline representative, lounges, common self-check-in machine.... will be at VS's side


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4974 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2108 times:
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Quoting DL Widget Head (Thread starter):
Curiously, CO is not part of the nine carriers that will co-locate at LHR. What meaning do we derive from that?

It says nine carriers, and if you count the listed ones, they only make up eight. CO is the 9th one; must have been a typo in the second sentence.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

Quoting Raffik (Reply 4):
Does this mean MEA will also be moving terminals?

Yes.

Concorde001,

Aerosite.net does not allow hotlinking.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

As far as I am aware, if your not in Star and currently in T1 you will be relocating to T4 when all the changes take place. Its going to be an enormous operation!

User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 9):
Concorde001,
Aerosite.net does not allow hotlinking.

According to Aerosite.net:

Quote:
We do allow the use of logotypes from Aerosite, providing the user credits Aerosite as the source of the image and a link back to the site is provided.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 11):
Quoting BA (Reply 9):
Concorde001,
Aerosite.net does not allow hotlinking.

According to Aerosite.net:

Quote:
We do allow the use of logotypes from Aerosite, providing the user credits Aerosite as the source of the image and a link back to the site is provided.

Yes, as long as you use your own webspace.

However, you are directly hotlinking the logos from their website which is why none of the logos are showing up.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 12):
Yes, as long as you use your own webspace.

However, you are directly hotlinking the logos from their website which is why none of the logos are showing up.

Many thanks for pointing this out.
I would edit my original post, but the 30 minutes have time out!


User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 782 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

Finally there are some true payoffs for DL and the SkyTeam alliance. DL has been trying for twenty-five years or more to gettng decent slots into LHR. Maybe, just maybe it will payoff for them this time. We shall see.

The only time DL has served LHR was back in the mid-late seventies when they had 747's and they did an interchange with PanAm to LHR. I like LGW but LHR would be a nice change.

Good Luck, SkyTeam and DL.



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User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 13):
Finally there are some true payoffs for DL and the SkyTeam alliance. DL has been trying for twenty-five years or more to gettng decent slots into LHR. Maybe, just maybe it will payoff for them this time. We shall see.

This is going to shape up to be an intersting battle within SkyTeam. As you all know, currently the EU and US are negotiationg an Open Skies agreement that would open up LHR. CO, however, is the only airline opposing the agreement with the Congress and the Adminsitration. Their reason? They have no MOU with any carrier to transfer LHR slots to CO. DL's MOU with AF was signed well before CO entered SkyTeam, and neither have any intention of amending. NW has the same MOU with KLM. This, effectivley, would be a significant blow to CO in the transatlantic market and especially out of NYC. So, CO is seeking to block an EU/US Open Skies agreement until someone promises them slots. Fortunately, they alone cannot stop the agreement from going forward so this may end up being them tilting at windmills.


Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 13):
The only time DL has served LHR was back in the mid-late seventies when they had 747's and they did an interchange with PanAm to LHR. I like LGW but LHR would be a nice change.

Right, but even then it was a PAA crew that took the airplane on to LHR. No DL crew were on board.


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 3):
The extension to T4, the victor pier, added 4 gates...not quite a 'hell of a lot'. These are indeed an important part of T4 and will likely continue to be used. This is all technically under 'one roof'. Many airports have long walkways to some gates, so this is not unique to LHR.

That's quite not what I was talking about.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b154/Kaitak744/t4lhr.jpg

You see all those yellow walk ways and white ones with in the premise of the actual terminal? I bet it would be a hell of alot better if those were under one roof.


User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1782 times:

If Delta and NW do get slots from AF-KL, I can only see them getting a maximum of two/three each. I am also slightly concerned that DL/NW will have a tough time finding early morning slots for arrivals.
Oh well, let's wait and see  Wink


User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 15):
You see all those yellow walk ways and white ones with in the premise of the actual terminal? I bet it would be a hell of alot better if those were under one roof.

Those walkways link the jetways to the terminal and was how the terminal was designed, IIRC.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

Who would AM get slots from? AF too? I hope this is the first step in AM's long quest to start flights to LHR!


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User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 18):
Who would AM get slots from? AF too? I hope this is the first step in AM's long quest to start flights to LHR!

Hopefully! They are totally denied to fly to LGW cuz they are only waiting for a slot to LHR. Let's see how this goes! Good luck for AM of course.



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User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

If Alitalia gets strapped for cash, it may offer some slots.

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