TP343 From Brazil, joined May 1999, 312 posts, RR: 4 Posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4871 times:
I've just read (the article is below) that a JAL 747 airliner with 377 on board suffered an engine desintegration (!) an hour ago right after the take off from Jakarta, Indonesia bound to Tokyo, Japan. The left exterior engine (no. 1) was the one involved in this incident and it happened in an altitude of 300m, right above the runway.
I've just searched in Yahoo! News but I couldn't find any mention to this incident.
Anyone has details or more news about it?
TP343, São Paulo, Brazil.
"Motor de Boeing se desintegra em pleno vôo"
Quarta, 06 de setembro de 2000, 07h53min
Um Boeing 747 da Japan Airlines (JAL) com 377 pessoas a bordo, que partiu hoje de Jacarta em direção a Tóquio, teve de retornar, pois um de seus quatro motores se desintegrou logo depois da decolagem, informou o ministério japonês dos Transportes.
Os passageiros escutaram um ruído seco quando o motor número um, situado sob a asa esquerda, se desarticulou por um motivo ainda não determinado a cerca de 300 metros de altura, logo depois de o aparelho ter deixado a pista. Várias partes do motor se separaram.
Nenhum dos 377 passageiros e tripulantes foi ferido, e o avião conseguiu retornar ao aeroporto de Jacarta.
Copyright 2000 AFP
N863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4611 times:
Let me translate (Bear in mind I speak Spanish not Portugese, but I will try and translate anyway.)
Wednesday September 6th 2000, 07:53
"Engine of Boeing airplane disintergrates in flight"
"A Boeing 747 of Japan Airlinews with 377 passengers on board which departed Jakarta en route to Tokyo, was forced to return when one of the engines disintergrated, reports the Japanese Ministry of Transport."
"Passengers heard a noise as engine number one, situated on the left wing, slowed down for a moment at only 300m above the runway, then fell to the ground. (I THINK) Multiple pieces of the engine separated and fell to the ground."
"None of the 377 passengers were injured, and the plane consequently returned to the Jakarta Airport."
N949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4515 times:
Does the incident occurred on the night of Sept. 5th? I've just checked JAL's flight schedules site http://www.cargo.jal.co.jp/FLT_DSPe.htm . It shows that flight JL726 originally scheduled to depart Jakarta (CGK) at 2330 on Sept. 5th has had a ship change, from JA8178 to JA8166 (both are 747-346 with PW JT9D-7R4G2 engines). Expected arrival time into NRT will be delayed by almost a full day.
Looks like it's JA8178 that'll be stuck at CGK for a while. It's not exactly a very good month for JAL's 747s. Last week, JA8161 (742) struck a lamp post while taxiing at Shanghai, taking out a chunk of its right wingtip (including the entire right outboard aileron).
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4367 times:
When I think of a GE CF6 engine, it reminds me of the United 232 Sioux City incident and the early 1970s incident where a National Airlines DC-10's CF6 engine on one of it's wings came apart inflight debris hitting the fuselage sucking a passenger out. And yes, I know about the incident where a P&W JT8D engine on a Delta MD-88 came apart inflight killing two people sitting near the engine. Maybe poor maintenance is to blame for all of these incidents where they don't follow the manufacturer's maintenance procedures.
EyeSky From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4365 times:
Airline maintenance folks have long complained about how susceptible the GE engines are to FOD damage. Back in the mid 70's (while there was much debate going on surrounding the early DC-10 crashes and incidents) I saw an interesting comparison on FOD tolerance between the GE CF6 series and the RB-211 series. The RR engines could really take a good sized chunk thought their fans while the GE engines were quite easily damaged.
The changes that RR (somewhat unwillingly) had to put into the early RB-211 was what almost put them out of business. Maybe that is what makes them so tough ... ?
EyeSky From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4325 times:
The RB-211 was originally designed with the same type of low weight composite fan blades. They found out during desert testing that sand abraded the blades and caused a dramatic loss in thrust. That was what led to the expensive redesign.
I'm not sure what GE did to avoid the same problems. I seem to recall something about a microscopic metal coating on the fan blades, but I could be wrong.
Pacific From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4268 times:
This is the third such incident in such a short time. That incident at LAX, then Eva Air Cargo loses bits and pieces of engine while taking of at HKG and now it's a JAL jet losing engines. They happen to be all 747's. I wonder what's causing those break-ups as it doesn't seem to be an isolated case anymore.
OH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1436 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4236 times:
With your bias against GE, I assume you will not be flying any of the following aircraft:
Canadair RJ 100/200/700/900
because the Boeing planes are all manufacured with CFM engines, a joint company of GE and Snecma of France (Concorde engines anyone?) and most orders for Airbus planes get the CFM56 series. Same for the other manufacturers. Geez, GE accumulated over 50% of engine orders for planes in the 1990's, I think that shows a bit of trust eh?
And oh yeah, Air Force One is powered by CF6 engines, if the US government feels safe placing their president on a plane with CF6 engines, I would feel safe flying any plane with GE/CFM International engines.
Head in the clouds... yet feet planted firmly on the ground.
Okforalll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4211 times:
Anyone ever heard of lowest price. How else do you think GE gets the business. The lowest price meeting spec's almost always wins. Would love to see some PW/s hung from the 737NG series. Would be an awsome alternate choice from the anglo/french match-up.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4178 times:
That would be the second Evergreen aircraft to shed an engine in flight.
There was one about 4 years ago up here in ANC that dropped an engine into the mudflats on takeoff. A couple of F-15's actually saw the thing come loose.
That flight was listed as a JAL flight since it was an JAL flight being flown by a chartered Evergreen one. That may be the same deal that is going on with the EVA air flight. But I don't know enough about that incident to saw for sure.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
Navion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1014 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4157 times:
TEDSKI, you jumped all over GE for the Gulf Air A320 crash recently, and now (as Aviation Week Online is reporting this morning) it turns out the engines WERE WORKING PERFECTLY. Seems you're really full of it!!!! You did lambaste GE for that crash when initial reports said there was an engine problem. Now you say (in the post before this) that you fly CFM powered aircraft. Given all of the PW surge problems and the RR Trent groundings (twice on A330's) I still believe your GE attitude is sorely misplaced.
: Hey Navion, at least engine surge problems are not as severe as an engine coming apart inflight like the GE CF6 engine did on United 232 and in the ea
: Actually EVA Air is owned by the Evergreen Group of Taiwan, but you're right, there is an Evergreen International based here in the United States. A c
: TEDSKI: In the National Airlines' crash the aircraft's no.1 engine exploded after overspeeding caused by the crew's experimenting with the auto-thrott
: Just a quick correction.... (sorry to knitpick) but the National Airlines DC-10 incident involved the No.3 engine... not the No.1. As to the original
: Hello! First of all, thank you for all the inputs made here. However, nobody actually confirmed the incident! Not even searching in Yahoo! News and he
: From the JAL online flight schedule, the departure/arrival information for flight JL726 on Sept. 5th looks like this: Dep Denpasar (DPS) Sept. 5 21:43