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JAL 747 Engine Desintegrates As Of The Take Off!  
User currently offlineTP343 From Brazil, joined May 1999, 312 posts, RR: 4
Posted (13 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 4776 times:

Hello!

I've just read (the article is below) that a JAL 747 airliner with 377 on board suffered an engine desintegration (!) an hour ago right after the take off from Jakarta, Indonesia bound to Tokyo, Japan. The left exterior engine (no. 1) was the one involved in this incident and it happened in an altitude of 300m, right above the runway.

I've just searched in Yahoo! News but I couldn't find any mention to this incident.

Anyone has details or more news about it?

Regards,


TP343, São Paulo, Brazil.

The article:
"Motor de Boeing se desintegra em pleno vôo"

Quarta, 06 de setembro de 2000, 07h53min
Um Boeing 747 da Japan Airlines (JAL) com 377 pessoas a bordo, que partiu hoje de Jacarta em direção a Tóquio, teve de retornar, pois um de seus quatro motores se desintegrou logo depois da decolagem, informou o ministério japonês dos Transportes.

Os passageiros escutaram um ruído seco quando o motor número um, situado sob a asa esquerda, se desarticulou por um motivo ainda não determinado a cerca de 300 metros de altura, logo depois de o aparelho ter deixado a pista. Várias partes do motor se separaram.

Nenhum dos 377 passageiros e tripulantes foi ferido, e o avião conseguiu retornar ao aeroporto de Jacarta.
Copyright 2000 AFP

Source: Terra Networks and Agence France Presse.


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User currently offlineTim From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 705 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (13 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 4547 times:

Well I cant even read that article!

User currently offlineN863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (13 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

Let me translate (Bear in mind I speak Spanish not Portugese, but I will try and translate anyway.)

Wednesday September 6th 2000, 07:53

"Engine of Boeing airplane disintergrates in flight"

"A Boeing 747 of Japan Airlinews with 377 passengers on board which departed Jakarta en route to Tokyo, was forced to return when one of the engines disintergrated, reports the Japanese Ministry of Transport."

"Passengers heard a noise as engine number one, situated on the left wing, slowed down for a moment at only 300m above the runway, then fell to the ground. (I THINK) Multiple pieces of the engine separated and fell to the ground."

"None of the 377 passengers were injured, and the plane consequently returned to the Jakarta Airport."

Source: Terra Networks and Agence France Presse.

Hope this helps!

FLY DELTA JETS and sail UNITED STATES LINES



N 8 6 3 D A


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 4479 times:

Was it a 747-400 with GE CF6 engines? I'm not surprised by this incident after the FAA ordered all US airlines to inspect CF6s manufactured before 1995 for cracks in the spools.

User currently offlineN949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 4420 times:

Does the incident occurred on the night of Sept. 5th? I've just checked JAL's flight schedules site http://www.cargo.jal.co.jp/FLT_DSPe.htm . It shows that flight JL726 originally scheduled to depart Jakarta (CGK) at 2330 on Sept. 5th has had a ship change, from JA8178 to JA8166 (both are 747-346 with PW JT9D-7R4G2 engines). Expected arrival time into NRT will be delayed by almost a full day.

Looks like it's JA8178 that'll be stuck at CGK for a while. It's not exactly a very good month for JAL's 747s. Last week, JA8161 (742) struck a lamp post while taxiing at Shanghai, taking out a chunk of its right wingtip (including the entire right outboard aileron).


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11274 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (13 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 4389 times:

TEDSKI, what is it with you and GE engines?



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User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 4367 times:

Well, after what someone who use to work for GE told me about what their engineers knew about hidden problems with the engines makes me think twice about flying on aircraft powered by those engines.

User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2191 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (13 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 4358 times:

TEDSKI:

Why do you continue to show your ignorance by flaunting your bias again GE every time there is an engine failure?

Engines fail all the time, whether they are GE, RR, or PW.

In any case, the engine on this JAL aircraft was a Pratt & Whitney JT9D-7R4G2. So you are wrong again, my friend.


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

I bet that P&W engine had a bird or seagull sucked into it which caused it to come apart.

User currently offlineEyeSky From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 4339 times:
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What type of engine was on the KLM 747 that lost several large pieces on the beach after a bird strike on departure from LAX last week?

User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

It was a GE CF6-50 series.

User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2191 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (13 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 4304 times:

TEDSKI:

Okay, when it's a P&W engine it must be a birdstrike, but when it's a GE engine it's bad engineering.

Again your hypocrisy amazes me.

Let's wait for the accident report to come out before any judgments are made, okay?


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 4272 times:

When I think of a GE CF6 engine, it reminds me of the United 232 Sioux City incident and the early 1970s incident where a National Airlines DC-10's CF6 engine on one of it's wings came apart inflight debris hitting the fuselage sucking a passenger out. And yes, I know about the incident where a P&W JT8D engine on a Delta MD-88 came apart inflight killing two people sitting near the engine. Maybe poor maintenance is to blame for all of these incidents where they don't follow the manufacturer's maintenance procedures.

User currently offlineEyeSky From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 4270 times:
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Airline maintenance folks have long complained about how susceptible the GE engines are to FOD damage. Back in the mid 70's (while there was much debate going on surrounding the early DC-10 crashes and incidents) I saw an interesting comparison on FOD tolerance between the GE CF6 series and the RB-211 series. The RR engines could really take a good sized chunk thought their fans while the GE engines were quite easily damaged.

The changes that RR (somewhat unwillingly) had to put into the early RB-211 was what almost put them out of business. Maybe that is what makes them so tough ... ?


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

Maybe GE doesn't use heavy duty types of titanium on the fan blades to save on weight. I know that on the GE90 they have composite materials on the fan blades to save on weight.

User currently offlineEyeSky From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 4230 times:
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The RB-211 was originally designed with the same type of low weight composite fan blades. They found out during desert testing that sand abraded the blades and caused a dramatic loss in thrust. That was what led to the expensive redesign.

I'm not sure what GE did to avoid the same problems. I seem to recall something about a microscopic metal coating on the fan blades, but I could be wrong.

Anybody know?


User currently offlinePacific From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

This is the third such incident in such a short time. That incident at LAX, then Eva Air Cargo loses bits and pieces of engine while taking of at HKG and now it's a JAL jet losing engines. They happen to be all 747's. I wonder what's causing those break-ups as it doesn't seem to be an isolated case anymore.

User currently offlineTWA717_200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 4159 times:

Things seem to happen it 3s. Maybe this is the last of it for a while.


User currently offlineOH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1436 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (13 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

So TEDSKI:

With your bias against GE, I assume you will not be flying any of the following aircraft:

Boeing 737-300/400/500/600/700/800/900/
Boeing BBJ
Boeing 777-200X/300X
Airbus A319/320/321
Airbus A340
Canadair RJ 100/200/700/900
ERJ-170/190
728JET, 928JET
SF340

because the Boeing planes are all manufacured with CFM engines, a joint company of GE and Snecma of France (Concorde engines anyone?) and most orders for Airbus planes get the CFM56 series. Same for the other manufacturers. Geez, GE accumulated over 50% of engine orders for planes in the 1990's, I think that shows a bit of trust eh?

And oh yeah, Air Force One is powered by CF6 engines, if the US government feels safe placing their president on a plane with CF6 engines, I would feel safe flying any plane with GE/CFM International engines.

Moi,
Kai



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User currently offlineOkforalll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 4116 times:

Anyone ever heard of lowest price. How else do you think GE gets the business. The lowest price meeting spec's almost always wins. Would love to see some PW/s hung from the 737NG series. Would be an awsome alternate choice from the anglo/french match-up.

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11274 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

Hey, TEDSKI, what breed were those engines on the Cathay jets that caused the fleet to be grounded? Throw in the RRs, and I guess you'll be taking the train, huh?


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User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

It was a Evergreen 747 (USA) not a EVA Air 747 (Taiwan)

N754PR


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

That would be the second Evergreen aircraft to shed an engine in flight.

There was one about 4 years ago up here in ANC that dropped an engine into the mudflats on takeoff. A couple of F-15's actually saw the thing come loose.

That flight was listed as a JAL flight since it was an JAL flight being flown by a chartered Evergreen one. That may be the same deal that is going on with the EVA air flight. But I don't know enough about that incident to saw for sure.



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User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

To tell you the truth, I have flown on a CFM56 powered 737-300 & 400, CF-34 powered CRJ and CF6 powered 767-300.

User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1012 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4062 times:

TEDSKI, you jumped all over GE for the Gulf Air A320 crash recently, and now (as Aviation Week Online is reporting this morning) it turns out the engines WERE WORKING PERFECTLY. Seems you're really full of it!!!! You did lambaste GE for that crash when initial reports said there was an engine problem. Now you say (in the post before this) that you fly CFM powered aircraft. Given all of the PW surge problems and the RR Trent groundings (twice on A330's) I still believe your GE attitude is sorely misplaced.

25 TEDSKI : Hey Navion, at least engine surge problems are not as severe as an engine coming apart inflight like the GE CF6 engine did on United 232 and in the ea
26 Sammyk : Actually EVA Air is owned by the Evergreen Group of Taiwan, but you're right, there is an Evergreen International based here in the United States. A c
27 AKelley728 : TEDSKI: In the National Airlines' crash the aircraft's no.1 engine exploded after overspeeding caused by the crew's experimenting with the auto-thrott
28 N863DA : Just a quick correction.... (sorry to knitpick) but the National Airlines DC-10 incident involved the No.3 engine... not the No.1. As to the original
29 TP343 : Hello! First of all, thank you for all the inputs made here. However, nobody actually confirmed the incident! Not even searching in Yahoo! News and he
30 N949WP : From the JAL online flight schedule, the departure/arrival information for flight JL726 on Sept. 5th looks like this: Dep Denpasar (DPS) Sept. 5 21:43
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