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User currently offlineWorkhorse From France, joined Jul 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4305 times:

Well, some maybe will smile reading this "naive" post, but I feel I have to share it.  Smile

This week-end I had my first flight on an ATR and enjoyed every moment of it. While having flown as a passenger on many a jet, this was my first turboprop.

I can't understand now why people complain about turboprops. Frankly, it's not more noisy then a jet (you can easily talk to your neighbour, listen music on your CD-player etc), it takes not much longer time on short hops, you have much more space then on an RJ and it's much cheaper to operate for the airline.

With current oil prices, I think that airlines should seriously consider ATR/Bombardier for their short-haul operations, and manufacturers should think about bigger, A320/B737 sized turboprops.

Only one problem: those six-blades propellers are really tricky to photograph.  Smile

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User currently offlineScintx From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 270 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

Workhorse,

Glad you had a chance to hop on a ATR. I've been flying the ATR since 1988 and this was a major improvment long ago. I agree on flights that don't go over an hour these planes are fine. Until a few months ago I lived in Michigan and took CO Connection Beach 1900D from Flint (FNT) to Cleveland (CLE) and this was a very nice flight. I would be happy to see props again.



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User currently offlineIdaBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

I agree, Turbp-props are amazing! I always hope for new sercive to my local airport to be a prop! I personally like the Dash-8, looks a little more serious, but I have never had the chance to ride on a ATR.

User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4169 times:

Let me be the one to protest this post. I cannot stand turboprops. The only time I have been on one (and hopefully the last) was from JFK-RIC in January 2000. I don't know what you are talking about, but the noise is considerably louder than on a jet. The flight was very shaky and the whole cabin vibrated. It took us for what seemed like 2 hours to finally reach Richmond. And, I felt extremely sick to my stomach for some reason (maybe it was all that shaking). I literally had the barf bag out on my lap, but thank god we finally landed in Richmond before I had the chance to blow chunks everywhere. I would much rather prefer a smoother, faster, cramped CRJ than a shaky, slow, spacious prop.


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4143 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 3):
Let me be the one to protest this post. I cannot stand turboprops. The only time I have been on one (and hopefully the last) was from JFK-RIC in January 2000. I don't know what you are talking about, but the noise is considerably louder than on a jet. The flight was very shaky and the whole cabin vibrated. It took us for what seemed like 2 hours to finally reach Richmond. And, I felt extremely sick to my stomach for some reason (maybe it was all that shaking). I literally had the barf bag out on my lap, but thank god we finally landed in Richmond before I had the chance to blow chunks everywhere. I would much rather prefer a smoother, faster, cramped CRJ than a shaky, slow, spacious prop.

Take more trips on a prop, try a variation. Ypur basing a dislike for such a wonderful and varied aircraft, based on 1 trip.

I've done Dash 8-100/200/300/400 Saab200 and F50's I think there great.

Variety is the spice of life.

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User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4080 times:

I have flown on the following: (All Prop-Jets) B99, Beech1900 Airliner Merto3, HS748 and Dash8-200. The B99 i really didn't like but the others i loved flying on. Prop-Jets have come along way, especially the Q400. Man i just wish airlines would realize that passengers would fly "larger" prop-jets and they can make money compared to Regional Jets even though on many regional jet routes only a jet can reach the distance knowing some airlines use regional jets on really far routes. Robert NWDC10

User currently offlineNWOrientDC10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1404 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4004 times:
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Quoting Workhorse (Thread starter):
Well, some maybe will smile reading this "naive" post, but I feel I have to share it.

Thanks for sharing it with us.  Smile

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 3):
The flight was very shaky and the whole cabin vibrated.

I kind of liked that aspect of prop flights.

I enjoyed flying prop flights on Allegheny Commuter during the 1980's (I miss those days  Sad ); LNS-PHL-JFK and reverse. Sometimes just LNS-PHL and reverse.


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User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 3):
but the noise is considerably louder than on a jet. The flight was very shaky and the whole cabin vibrated.

That's how you know you're on a "real" airplane! Nothing better! (Unless you're hopping on a round-engined plane...now THAT'S pure bliss!)  Smile


User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2665 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 6):
I enjoyed flying prop flights on Allegheny Commuter during the 1980's (I miss those days );

I loved the Shorts 330 and 360.. use to fly them all the time between ACY-PHL/BWI... man, they were slow though!!



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User currently offlineThepilot From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

Turboprops are great. I have flown right seat in a Beach 1900, rode in a Dash 8 (for QX), Saab 340, and Embraer E120. These are all great planes. I think, however, that airlines are looking more for regional jets and not turboprops. Be that as it may, turboprops are great!


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User currently offlineRC135U From United States of America, joined May 2005, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

Makes me long for the days of the Convair 580. Solid and big picture windows.

User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

And, as a passenger and a frequent flyer, I'll take a Beechcraft or SAAB or ATR any day over a CRJ. I can sleep to the 'tune' of the engines - I cannot sleep with a fellow passenger on my lap

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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7541 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

My first flight was in one of these. Just look at the size of the windows - if you had an aisle seat you still got a good view through them:

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The seats were in pairs, half forward facing, have rearward facing. Those facing each other had a table beween them. (These were the days before 28 inch pitch Y class seating.) I flew LHR-LBJ and at Le Bourget on the ground was the death knell of the turboprop, a pre-delivery PA 707 (N707PA) and a preproduction Caravelle in AF livery (F-BHHI). It was late July or early August 1958.


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

I totally agree. Turboprops really are fantastic, and I just love them. They somehow get me back to the essence of flying. I feel much more of a connection with turboprops. I live in SBY, and I can either have a 20 minute flight in a turboprop SBY-PHL or drive 3 hours to Philly. You can guess which one I'd rather do!

Noise and vibration are increased with props, but Bombardier now offers the Q series. They have active noise cancellation and vibration dampeners. According to Bombardier, they are just as quiet and smooth as a CRJ. I've never flown on a Q, but I really would love to one of these days.


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User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3825 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 12):
My first flight was in one of these. Just look at the size of the windows - if you had an aisle seat you still got a good view through them:

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The seats were in pairs, half forward facing, have rearward facing. Those facing each other had a table beween them. (These were the days before 28 inch pitch Y class seating.) I flew LHR-LBJ and at Le Bourget on the ground was the death knell of the turboprop, a pre-delivery PA 707 (N707PA) and a preproduction Caravelle in AF livery (F-BHHI). It was late July or early August 1958.

Sigh.....Could I be more jealous? I think not....unless it was one of these, (for size and power):


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...Or one one of these, (for screaming Darts):


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OR....( Be still my heart!) The love of my life, one of these:


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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

Well, after about a half an hour of searching, I FINALLY found the aircraft that I flew on from JFK-RIC. If you guys will share your opinions on this aircraft, that would be great. Was I just overreacting or is this one of your favorite props?


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The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3785 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 15):
If you guys will share your opinions on this aircraft, that would be great.

Hi Evan. I really don't have much of an opinion on the J41...ACA used to bring them here to Cleveland, but that's my primary association with them.

As I am quite a bit older than you, I have a real affinity for the "first generation" turboprops...the louder and smokier the better! Having said that however, I realize times change, powerplants become cleaner and more efficient. Of the newer turboprops, my favorite family is the Bombardier (DeHavilland) stable of Dash 8's. I think the Q400 is particularly nice!


User currently offlineAirlinebrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

I have been a regular on Horizon Air for over 10 years now. The Dash 8-200's are nice and cozy. The Dash 8-400's are really nice. I do miss the 36" seat pitch that QX had on those aircraft when they first started flying that aircraft type.

I just flew on Bangkok Air's ATR 72-500 last month. My first time on an ATR. It was interesting to see the baggage compartment located between the cabin and the cockpit. Reminds me of AS and Markair's 737-200 combi's. The flight attendant had to squeeze by the baggage to deliver snacks and drinks to the flight deck on the ATR. I like how the rear wheel assembly is located below the cabin and not attached to the engine assembly like the Dash aircraft. That allows for better views from the cabin during landing and final approach. Other than that, the ATR-72 and Dash 8-400 were similar in comfort and size.

I miss the Aspen Airways Convair 580's. They were noisy but what a ride!!



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User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

now her's the real deal (fabric curtains ,,WOW)




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User currently offlineAntskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 932 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

Quoting Airlinebrat (Reply 17):
I miss the Aspen Airways Convair 580's



Quoting RJNUT (Reply 18):
now her's the real deal

The 580 engines (Allisons?) look the same as on the 4-engine Lockheed Electra L-188. Loved that plane! It flew down here in thre deep south for QF and TEAL (pre-NZ). Lovely plane (only recently did I find out they had significant design problems that needed sorting out!).

Is it true that the best piston-engine planes were even more economical than the turbine?


User currently offlineOwlEye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 959 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

For me are (turbo)props aircraft in which you feel true flying. I flew the Turbo-Let 410 (bumpy), Virgin Atlantic Vickers Viscount (lot of leg space), VLM Airlines Fokker 50 (very comfortable) and the KLM exel ATR-72 (very fast).

ATR is selling a lot of planes at this moment.


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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

Props are always fun to fly if you are not stuck in them for too long, 1.5 hours is about the maximum IMO. Have quite some prop experience:

ATR 42 and ATR 72 from LOT, ATR 72 from NZ:


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User currently offlineMrFord From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

Newer turboprops are great, but anything sporting Darts scores better  Smile

Here's what I got to jumpseat, and that I see every day from my windows at work :


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RJ's are too quiet  Wink



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User currently offlineWorkhorse From France, joined Jul 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

Thanks to everyone for replying in this thread! I knew I were going to find a lot of prop fans here.  Smile

Those new turbopropos (ATRs and, I guess, Bombardier Q-series should be the same) seem to be really confortable.

I wonder how much time it will take to ATR or Bomardier to create a new concept : imagine a twin tubroprop with 5 or 6 across seating, with high usage of modern light materials (isn't Alenia, one of ATR consortium members, also an important subcontractor for B787 program?) and a new modern passanger cabin a la E-Jets.

Those turboprops would seat 70-130 passengers, fly short haul routes (1-1.5 hours) and replace B737s/A320s on shuttle services.

On a large scale, fuel economy would be huge!


User currently offlineDHHornet From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3393 times:

Workhorse
I agree turboprops are a great way to fly. My favorite flight was on a BA HS 748 from Inverness to Stornoway many years ago.

I did start a topic on Turboprops recently. Some bits you might find interesting?

Turboprops The Renaissance? (by DHHornet Jun 4 2006 in Civil Aviation)


25 Legoguy : Turboprops are brilliant!!!!! When I travelled from Belfast to Manchester afew years ago, we travelled on a British Airways ATP. Even though the aircr
26 MCOflyer : I personally like the Dash 8 as thats the only only a/c I fly on between PHL-ELM. It used to be a Dash 8-100, but now its a 300. I ride in the back mo
27 CanadianNorth : I'll agree that for short-haul flights RJs should just go away, turboprops are definetly the way to go! The Dash-8 is one of my favourite aircraft. No
28 Post contains links and images VV701 : Another advantage is that I cannot see an RJ doing this: although some of the LCCs at least give the appearence of having all bases covered: View Larg
29 BlueSky1976 : Amen to that, brother!! I'd take anything with a prop in front of the wing over a vacuum-cleaner sound-alike RJ.
30 Post contains images Skidmarks : Ahhhhhhhhh, J-41! You must have had a bad one. Mind you, the prop sync can be noisy and if it doesnt sync properly then maybe you would feel a little
31 Scintx : My exact thoughts. My last one was a Bar Harbor Airlines Jan 1st 1982 with a full hang over. This flight was from PQI (Presque Isle Maine) with a sto
32 Post contains images NWOrientDC10 : I have (ridden in a C-130), I almost got air sick! Good Day Russell
33 WildcatYXU : Well, what to say... love them. Experienced a few of them; Beechcraft 1900 D, Saab 340, ATR 42, ATR 72, Dash 8-100, Dash 8-300, Fokker F50 I love the
34 Antskip : Yep. Being a passenger in a Hercules is surely one of the most unpleasant experiences in 4-engined flying! Flew them a few times across the Tasman an
35 MesaMXORD : J-41 and B-1900 I do not like at all! Dash-8's are amazing most of the time I'm sleeping on one I am dreaming of being on my riding lawn mower. And Da
36 Post contains links and images DEVILFISH : In case many are wondering where old turboprops go - wonder no more.....although I think the CASA was ordered new. View Large View MediumPhoto ©
37 Post contains links Tsnamm : How about this monster....I wonder if anyone here ever flew on this beauty! http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0744915/M/ the mighty Bristol Brabazon!
38 Post contains links and images A342 : Well, what about this one: View Large View MediumPhoto © Mel Lawrence If I had the money, I'd buy one, restore it to flying condition and conver
39 Access-Air : Hmmmm...Let me see....what kind of Turboprops have I flown on??? ATR 42-300 and ATR 72-200 Beech 99, B99, C99, B1300, 1900C, 1900C-1 and 1900D BAe Jes
40 Post contains links and images Skydrol : Evan, I often get sick in airplanes, but I love flying too much to avoid it. You should try again!! Don't think I have been sick in a turboprop plane
41 Post contains links and images PiedmontINT : I have only been able to fly on the B1900 a few times, but each time I loved it! I was a little hesitant at first since the first time I rode on one w
42 Luxair : I enjoy every flight on a turboprop. I'm used to fly KLC's F50 quiet often and it's always like a little adventure or better like going back in time!
43 Access-Air : Dude there is nothing unsafe about the 1900D as long as you adhere to the weight and balance CG limits. Any aircraft out of ist CG limits will end up
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