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Pan Am Clipper Connection To Dulles,What Happened?

CTFLTOPTS From United States, joined Nov 2004, 5 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1027 times:

Hey everyone,

*I did a search for this topic but could find nothing so please let me know if someone has already posted this.*

I seem to remember a few months ago that the Pourtsmouth, NH based airline, Pan-Am Clipper Connection, made a statement that they were starting service to Dulles. I checked their website at the time and saw clearly that Dulles was on their destinations list with a note below it that read "coming soon." I just checked their website today and Dulles is no longer on their list of Destinations. I was just wondering what happened to the deal, was Dulles to expensive? I also heard a rumor that they might start service to Pittsburgh.

Any input is appreciated.

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Nkops From United States, joined Jun 2005, 1719 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1000 times:

If you know anything about BMA, you will know that this isn't surprising. I believe they were going to start PIT-IAD or PSM (I forget which), but it is rare that they stick with a route anyway. I would be curious to know what is their longest lasting city (besides PSM).

New Jersey- We corrupt more politicians by 9am then most states do all day!!

KarlB737 From United States, joined Mar 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 966 times:

Was This It?

Boston-Maine Airways Seeking BED-IAD & BED-PIT

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...ion/read.main/2682218/6/#ID2682218

Nkops From United States, joined Jun 2005, 1719 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 960 times:

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 2):
Was This It?

Yes that was it.... nothing beats BED-PIT in a J31.
yuck

New Jersey- We corrupt more politicians by 9am then most states do all day!!

DeltaRules From United States, joined Sep 2001, 3049 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 805 times:

Quoting Nkops (Reply 1):
I would be curious to know what is their longest lasting city (besides PSM).

SJU maybe? It seems like through all the cities that they've added & dropped, SJU & BQN have survived. LCK only lasted about 5 months & YNG never got off the ground.

DeltaRules

Let's Kick the Tires & Light the Fires!!

Jetdeltamsy From United States, joined Nov 2000, 2946 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 750 times:

Quoting CTFLTOPTS (Thread starter):
I was just wondering what happened to the deal,

Who cares? What a worthless excuse for an airline. Makes me sick that they have the balls to call themselves "Pan Am".

Worked for too many airlines to list. Banktupcy after bankruptcy after bankruptcy.

JetBlueAUS From United States, joined Apr 2006, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 743 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 5):
Who cares? What a worthless excuse for an airline. Makes me sick that they have the balls to call themselves "Pan Am".

Amen! They don't have any plans to replace those old Boeing 727's, do they? Well from reading what I've gathered here, they really don't seem like they have any firm plans anyways. indifferent

Not all of us can be heroes, some of us can only stand on the sidewalk and clap as they go by.

DeltaRules From United States, joined Sep 2001, 3049 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 638 times:

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 6):
They don't have any plans to replace those old Boeing 727's, do they?

I took BMA's inaugural LCK-SFB flight last summer & talked to their PR Director. He said that at that point, there weren't any plans to replace the 727s, although they'd look at that in the future. What's interesting is that they have something like 20-21 that they own, but only 3 are flying.

DeltaRules

Let's Kick the Tires & Light the Fires!!

CTFLTOPTS From United States, joined Nov 2004, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 561 times:

Thanks for the replies and the link to the previous post,

I remembered when they had "scheduled service" to GON, I believe that was officially pulled around this time last year. I never saw them come into GON last year but I occasionally heard them fly by the airport. I am curious how this airline stays afloat, the markets they serve seem so obscure and small it is amazing they have any planes flying at all. I do remember hearing about some controversy involving Boston-Maine's accounting but that was prior to their announcement of service to Dulles.

INTENSS From Czech Republic, joined Aug 2004, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 512 times:

Quoting CTFLTOPTS (Thread starter):
I was just wondering what happened to the deal, was Dulles to expensive?

Reason given by company was rising fuel prices. The flight was to be to Trenton, NJ.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 7):
What's interesting is that they have something like 20-21 that they own, but only 3 are flying.

Most of them are parts planes, however they do have about 8 727's that are airworthy.

Quoting CTFLTOPTS (Reply 8):
I am curious how this airline stays afloat, the markets they serve seem so obscure and small it is amazing they have any planes flying at all.

The Mellon banking family/Guilford Transportation (now Pan Am Rail) keeps them afloat.

Quoting CTFLTOPTS (Reply 8):
I do remember hearing about some controversy involving Boston-Maine's accounting but that was prior to their announcement of service to Dulles.

Presumably, their General Counsel falsified some papers to the DOT. Now the DOT/FAA is probing the company to see what else is falsified and who else knew about it. Company has been pushing to get this gone ASAP because they are waiting to get 4 more a/c added to their operating certificate.

-Rich

KarlB737 From United States, joined Mar 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 424 times:

Courtesy: WENY-TV

Elmira In Negotiations With Pan Am Clipper

http://www.weny.com/News-Local.asp?ARTICLE3864=3879640

INTENSS From Czech Republic, joined Aug 2004, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 407 times:

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 10):
Courtesy: WENY-TV

Elmira In Negotiations With Pan Am Clipper

Good catch. The northeast destinations would likely be flown using the J31's. 727 service from Elmira to Sanford? With this outfit looking to add the other 4 727's quickly....they must have some idea (or not!) as to where they'd like to use them.

-Rich

Nkops From United States, joined Jun 2005, 1719 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 390 times:

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 10):
Elmira In Negotiations With Pan Am Clipper

It is beyond me why any airport would want this carrier there!!

New Jersey- We corrupt more politicians by 9am then most states do all day!!

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