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Will Air Tahiti Nui Close The PPT-JFK Flight?  
User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1040 posts, RR: 34
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8686 times:
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Ia Orana all !

In the leading tahitian newpaper today it was written that Mr Eric Pommier is reconsidering the JFK route and might close it as its losing a LOT of money and the load factor is 25-30% roughly !
This new CEO is there to stop the bleeding finances at Air Tahiti Nui. He just left Papeete heading towards Paris to negociate better terms for its fleet, maybe see the AF people and then on its way back to PPT it will make a stop in Los Angeles and talk to the ex ATN chief in LAX Wally Sumner whio was terminated last year and who's sueing ATN for the tiny sum of 1 million dollars !

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew


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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2091 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8661 times:

Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Thread starter):
JFK route and might close it as its losing a LOT of money and the load factor is 25-30% roughly !

Wow, a nonrever's dream! But obviously not good for the company. Any ideas where they might serve instead?


User currently offlineSkyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8656 times:

Why they don't start flying to somewhere in South America like, GRU, SCL, EZE or LIM is beyond me.

They could have their Japan, Australia and NZ flights connect with the South America flights in PPT.
Isn't there a big enough market for Japan- Brazil flights, or even Japan- Peru?

Varig had to give the route up due to Brazilians needing visas just to transit through LAX.

Just a thought anyway....


User currently offlineNZ8800 From New Zealand, joined May 2006, 425 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8460 times:

Apparently Air New Zealand are planning to fly PPT - GRU with Air Tahiti Nui buying some of the seats onboard.


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4050 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8376 times:

Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Thread starter):
In the leading Tahitian newspaper today it was written that Mr Eric Pommier is reconsidering the JFK route and might close it as its losing a LOT of money and the load factor is 25-30% roughly !
This new CEO is there to stop the bleeding finances at Air Tahiti Nui.

I think the PPT-JFK route was started mostly because NYC is the largest market in North America and the powers that be felt that it offered the best potential O&D numbers. But Hawaii and especially Tahiti are more of a western USA/Canada type of vacation, elsewhere on the continent the Caribbean is so much closer. For example SLC is an hour closer to 4 airports in the Dominican Republic than any of the three airports DL flys directly to the Hawaiian Islands. So quite honestly I think that Air Tahiti Nui can get substantially higher load factors rotating this a/c through SFO and YVR than they ever could from JFK or EWR.
Some, if not all of the resorts in Tahiti, Morea and Bora Bora should look at putting together an all-inclusive offering which is standard for Dominican Republic and other Caribbean vacations and is also offered at Mexican resorts. This could then attract more tourists rather than the high end people that go to Tahiti.



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User currently offlineMCMAHONSMR From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8307 times:

I actually flew TN JFK-PPT-AKL-PPT-JFK within the last two weeks and must say that I'm quite surprised to hear that the route is still performing poorly. It was always my understanding that a loss had been budgeted for the first year. I do know it was going out quite empty there for a while during the winter months but I think things have since picked up.

Loadwise:
-JFK-PPT on 5/29 was approximately 65-75% full in coach. Not particularly sure about J or F. Myself and my sister were able to score an entire center row for ourselves but I'd say we were one of a very few people who had this luxury. The AB and KL sides were all taken.

-PPT-AKL on 5/30 was approximately 45-55% full in coach. Probably 20-30% in J and 0% in F.

-AKL-PPT was quite busy on 6/9 with a coach load of approximately 80-90%. Very little room to move around.

-The PPT-JFK on 6/8 was also very busy in coach with a load of also approximately 80%.

Comments:
JFK-PPT was full of a lot of honeymooners and pax connecting from CDG, with relatively little connecting traffic to AKL. I'd estimate about 10-20 people connected to AKL. Coming back from PPT the flight was very busy with what I'd estimate about 60% connecting from AKL and SYD. Again, the remainder of the pax were honeymooners flying home from PPT.

I think this route is slowly developing but if it's still losing money I think perhaps it might be worthwhile to keep it on as a seasonal route . . . .


User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8153 times:

I don't think they do their homework. I had a gut feeling this route would never work. I flew to Papeete from New York on Continental 20 years ago and I believe we were the only 2 passengers who continued to Papeete.
Those who live on the East Coast go to the Caribbean. It's closer , cheaper and just as nice. I believe they relied on connecting traffic to NZ and Australia but thrre are a lot of alternatives on other airlines for this traffic and I think QF fly to New York.

[Edited 2006-06-13 17:47:54]

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8671 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8112 times:

Semsem,

You're right they didn't do they're homework. But they could do it weekly for SAT or SUN service. A lot of people travel on the weekend.

MCMAHONSMR,

I dont think they have a J class, just F class. I remember reading that in Airways magazine. I hear the F class is quite comfortable. You're lucky you got a row to yourself . This happens rarely on a intl flight. Look forward to hearing a trip report.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8072 times:

In what newspaper was this article written?

Please provide a source

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 7):
I dont think they have a J class, just F class.

They offer 3 classes of service on all flights

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 9):
But for regular service I think an alternating connection between SFO and YVR would work better

Vancouver and San Francisco were always considered after Los Angeles and New York. New York, was brought into the picture to attract connections from Europe and a failed hope at expanding from New York to London and Paris. As can be seen that has not been a fruitful expansion.

Vancouver and San Francisco would have been much more fruitful and would not have taken the amount of time needed for a JFK rotation or a JFK-CDG rotation. If memory serves correct UTA, Air France, and Qantas previously flew SFO-PPT. Corsair flew OAK-PPT. The market is there it is a question of how to enter it.

[Edited 2006-06-13 18:26:31]

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4050 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8049 times:

Quoting MCMAHONSMR (Reply 5):
I think this route is slowly developing but if it's still losing money I think perhaps it might be worthwhile to keep it on as a seasonal route . . . .

During the Dry Season in French Polynesia (May-Oct.) could be the best time since May-July is wedding season in the USA/Canada. But for regular service I think an alternating connection between SFO and YVR would work better.



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User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8013 times:

I thought I heard somewhere that non-revs were not allowed on the JFK-PPT flights. Anyone know if this is correct?

User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1040 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7947 times:
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Ia Orana all...

First of all the article was in the tahitian paper called La Dépêche de Tahiti, it was in yesterday's paper.
Then, Air Tahiti Nui has a First and Business Class. The article on Airways was written before they introduced First Class so only had Business and Economy at that time.
Nonrev's are allowed on the JFK route as I flew it in september last year and some friends of mine did too, so that's not true, you can very well fly on it.
The load factor for the route was released by the airline itself.
Waiting for a year or 2 for the route to become profitable ??? The japanese routes have been operating at a loss since the begining. Only since JAL joined them did they improve the load factors.
Once again you can drop any flights to YVR as there are absolutely no agreements between Canada and France for the west coast of Canada.

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew



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User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 941 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7846 times:
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They were supposed to be codesharing this flight with DL, and that never happened. The JFK-PPT flight might have had a better chance if they had co-marketed with DL.

User currently offlineWolsingerjet From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7801 times:

It sounds like YVR WILL be picked up in the very near future.This has been talked about for a long time.


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4050 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7672 times:

Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 11):
Once again you can drop any flights to YVR as there are absolutely no agreements between Canada and France for the west coast of Canada.

Are you certain this includes French Polynesia, or is it between France and the western provinces of Canada? YVR would be a natural for a 3x per week flight to PPT rotating with SFO (4x per week). YVR would certainly be a better choice than YUL since an overwhelming majority of the people from Quebec can fly to the Dominican Republic in a mere 3-4 hours on one of the many charters. Also the price of French Polynesia when compared to anywhere in the Caribbean is going to be 4x-5x more and no all-inclusive packages for accommodations are offered. Something Tahiti, Bora Bora and Morena need if they want more tourists and further increase the loads on Air Tahiti Nui.



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User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7484 times:

Sorry, but the suggestion that French Polynesia might benefit by attracting a bigger volume of tourists through all-inclusive resorts is ridiculous.

Let me be absolutely clear about this.....

French Polynesia does not encourage and will not tolerate mass-market tourism. The government policy is to outlaw construction of buildings taller than a coconut tree and to actively encourage ultra-luxury tourism. Any developer seeking to construct a high-rise all-inclusive hotel would be shown the door. The sort of tourist who would consider vacationing in places like the Dominican Republic or Montego Bay will be welcomed politely like any other visitor, but their custom is simply not wanted in French Polynesia.There is already one Hawaii, French Polynesia is not interested in becoming another.

Let's say that the idea is to play the role of St Barts, not St Maarten.

Or to be the Seychelles, not Mauritius.

It may be that the sort of people who go to Sandy Lane in Barbados or to St Barthelemy may fit the profile of the target tourist for French Polynesia. But people who go on all-inclusive Caribbean vacations? No thanks.

This is not snobbery, it is just a matter of selling an ultra-premium product. Similarly, Mercedes is not going to bring out a cheap $15,000 full-size vehicle, because it devalues their premium product.

It is acceptable for the JFK-PPT flight to fill 20% of coach, so long as Business Class and First Class are full of travellers who will spend $1500 per night on their Bora Bora bungalow, plus $500 per day on food and drink, plus maybe $500 on spas and other purchases.

Air Tahiti Nui is like the free limo that casinos send out to get high rollers into the casino, or the free suite the hotel puts up the high rollers in. Load is almost irrelevant, so long as high-yield passengers spend money on Bora Bora and Taha'a.

[Edited 2006-06-14 06:12:50]

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4050 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7400 times:

Quoting Koruman (Reply 15):
Air Tahiti Nui is like the free limo that casinos send out to get high rollers into the casino, or the free suite the hotel puts up the high rollers in.

Since when did anyone think that Air Tahiti Nui would turn into a SkyService "cattle car" loaded with Canucks looking for a cheap fun in the sun holiday via SunQuest or Signature Vacations? The tourist season for French Polynesia is opposite to the Caribbean anyhow.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 15):
Load is almost irrelevant, so long as high-yield passengers spend money on Bora Bora and Taha'a.


Then these resorts and hotels have to turn around and prop up the carrier with higher taxes to cover their losses. Loads need to improve drastically this season or JFK-PPT will cease as we know it.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 15):
This is not snobbery, it is just a matter of selling an ultra-premium product. Similarly, Mercedes is not going to bring out a cheap $15,000 full-size vehicle, because it devalues their premium product.

Actually it is snobbery since a Tahiti vacation is almost 5x-6x what one would be to the Dominican Republic. While French Polynesia doesn't want all the drunk Canucks and Europeans, or college spring breakers looking for easy nookie from the states that places like Punta Cana, Puerto Plata, La Romana, Montego Bay, or St Maarten attract, they could make more money and still offer a premium product by going after a larger income demographic spread. Mercedes Benz will do this with leases rather than cheap $15,000 cars which they can snag easily from a Chinese manufacturer, or sneaking Mexicans across the border to work in USA plants though their Chysler/Dodge labels.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 15):
But people who go on all-inclusive Caribbean vacations? No thanks.


Are western North Americans the ones filling these places up en-mass? I think you better look at the eastern seaboard more than anywhere else.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 15):
Let's say that the idea is to play the role of St Barts, not St Maarten.


St Lucia might be a better comparison, but even it is drastically cheaper for a night at a hotel than Tahiti. Being substantially closer makes air-fare a no brainer.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 15):
Or to be the Seychelles, not Mauritius.

Both of these locations are much more substantially removed from Europe than Tahiti is from North America. If one place has Tahiti one-uped a far as price Seychelles can take that honor.



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User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7269 times:

Yes, but you miss another point.

As you have posted, a substantial proportion of Americans flying to PPT come from the Eastern seaboard anyway. But they are the connoisseurs, who are aware that French Polynesia is far more beautiful than anywhere in the Caribbean, where destinations are basically average beaches, like in Mexico or Hawaii.

French Polynesia neither needs nor wants less affluent, high-spending tourists. It's already got an extremely elevated standard of living (e.g higher literacy and minimum wage than the USA, plus 0% of the population without health insurance). It doesn't need to compromise to attract mass market tourism.


User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7243 times:

Quoting Skyhigh (Reply 2):
They could have their Japan, Australia and NZ flights connect with the South America flights in PPT.
Isn't there a big enough market for Japan- Brazil flights, or even Japan- Peru?

I never thought of that, but that is so true! Japan-Brazil is a very big market and NRT-GRU via PPT is only 8 % longer than via JFK (or non-stop, which is impossible). But then again there would probably be very little O&D traffic PPT-GRU...



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User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7189 times:

If you want to know about GRU-PPT-NRT, read the posts on the NZ New Routes thread.......

It's likely to open in 2010, as soon as Air NZ gets its 787-9s.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7157 times:

I had heard that Air Tahiti Nui was starting or had started a JFK-CDG route. Is that a code-share with Air France?


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4050 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7132 times:

Quoting Koruman (Reply 17):
As you have posted, a substantial proportion of Americans flying to PPT come from the Eastern seaboard anyway.

I said the west coast. The Caribbean gets the east coast.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 17):
But they are the connoisseurs, who are aware that French Polynesia is far more beautiful than anywhere in the Caribbean, where destinations are basically average beaches, like in Mexico or Hawaii.

I would say St Lucia is on par with Bora Bora, only closer to the USA/Canada.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 17):
French Polynesia neither needs nor wants less affluent, high-spending tourists. It's already got an extremely elevated standard of living (e.g higher literacy and minimum wage than the USA, plus 0% of the population without health insurance).

What a crock! Tahiti is highly dependent on the tourist industry, when there is a recession in North America or Australia, they feel the pain as well.  down   sigh 



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User currently offlineSkyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7099 times:

Quoting Koruman (Reply 19):
If you want to know about GRU-PPT-NRT, read the posts on the NZ New Routes thread.......

It's likely to open in 2010, as soon as Air NZ gets its 787-9s.

I read the air nz thread but I don't see why TN should have to wait until NZ gets its 787's in 2010. If the market is there now then they should take it for themselves rather than hemorrhage any more money on JFK.


User currently offlineCaymanair From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2004, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6982 times:

Quoting Koruman (Reply 17):
As you have posted, a substantial proportion of Americans flying to PPT come from the Eastern seaboard anyway. But they are the connoisseurs, who are aware that French Polynesia is far more beautiful than anywhere in the Caribbean, where destinations are basically average beaches, like in Mexico or Hawaii.

I would say that the Caribbean varies just as the Pacific Islands do. I have travelled to numerous beautiful Caribbean countries....from luxury Bermuda/BVI/Anguilla/Cayman/Saba to not so luxury places like MBJ. In all cases the countries were superb, but they cater to different markets. Ive also been to a few Pacific Islands (Honiara, Honolulu, Papette, Pago Pago, Bora Bora) and I see the same thing. Some are luxury, some are not.

Saying the French Polynesia is "far more beautiful than anywhere in the Caribean" is wrong, and very insulting.

On the other hand, I agree that French Polynesia has no need to attract the "bad" tourists. Lets face it, luxury tourists are far better than the package deal, low cost, charter flight, all inclusive tourists. Any true connoisseur would enjoy travelling to luxury islands in the West Indies as well as the Pacific.


User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6921 times:

Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 11):
Once again you can drop any flights to YVR as there are absolutely no agreements between Canada and France for the west coast of Canada.

TN can operate PPT-YVR but not YVR-CDG with 5th freedom traffic rights



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25 FLYACYYZ : Given the operating expenses of a flight these days, any airline operating at a 25-30% load factor, needs to have their heads read. The days of presti
26 SLCUT2777 : Which is why SFO and YVR are a likely better load factor than JFK.
27 MalpensaSFO : WONDERFUL, HONEST, and TRUE! Tahiti has little or no need for business travellers, as the market warrants over 95% leisure. Papeete will never be a H
28 QF108 : Hi All, How long do these 'route reviews' usually take. My parents are booked SYD-PPT-JFK in December. Should they be concerned or if they did drop PP
29 MalpensaSFO : They should not be concerned. However, a word to the wise if they are not stopping over in Tahiti, take Qantas or United. You will arrive at much mor
30 QF108 : Yes sorry didn't add that they are staying 5 nights in Tahiti on the way back, to defrost from the NY winter, or they would have gone QF. Thanks Mark
31 LTBEWR : I would suspect that the coach seats are being sold at low fares, so negative yeild. Even if sellout your 1st/Biz, you still may not make a profit if
32 MalpensaSFO : Sydney-JFK with the free PPT stopover(hotel not included) is what is keeping TN afloat in the JFK market now. Are they going to go to Bora Bora, Moor
33 QF108 : I think its Moorea they are heading to, it is two places they have wanted to go Tahiti and NY. With the TN airfares on offer that time of year it was
34 Koruman : In a bid to put this nonsense to rest, here are a couple of excerpts from today's Tahitian press... Tourism minister sees Air Tahiti Nui's Paris-NYC-P
35 MalpensaSFO : Does that explain why LAX is 2 x daily, and JFK 4 x weekly? Compared to the less frequent Japan flight? Is that why JFK-CDG is only once weekly? And
36 Semsem : Makes perfect sense to extend the route to Paris to make it economically feaseable.
37 SLCUT2777 : When was the last time French Polynesia experienced a SS-4 or 5 hurricane? Even that far east a SS-1 or 2 storm is VERY rare. It would be like one hi
38 Post contains links Bkkair : Interesting visitor arrival statistics from this article in the The Tahiti Presse today. In April, Tahiti had the best tourism arrivals since 2001: 18
39 Post contains images Mirrodie : I, too, was concerned with TN pulling its JFK-PPT-SYD route. We are flying them in a few weeks. But truth be told, would I rather have flown QF in fir
40 MalpensaSFO : Is that why they are only flying to CDG once per week from JFK? That is a common myth that was fact 10 years ago. SARS, and 9-11 killed that myth!
41 NZFan : And yet they are still aiming at getting as many tourist as Hawaii and Fiji are getting.
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