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KE Confirms Las Vegas  
User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 612 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7272 times:

According to a Korean news paper, KE will start ICN-LAS-ICN from Sep. 22nd. It will be thrice weekly, and LAS-ICN sector is overnight flight. KE will use 777-200 on this route.

ICN-LAS: Tue, Fri, Sun. depart 20:30 (arrive 15:00?)
LAS-ICN: Mon, Wed, Sat. depart 00:50 (arrive 06:00?)

Arrival time is not listed on the news, so those are my guess. KE hopes to overtake JAL's suspension on Asia and LAS direct service (which starts on Sep 30th.)

[Edited 2006-06-13 18:24:30]

[Edited 2006-06-13 18:24:45]

[Edited 2006-06-13 18:25:10]

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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7199 times:

So that makes Japan Air Lines, Korean Air, and Philippine Airlines all flying into LAS? Pretty cool!!


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User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7199 times:

And in the past:

NW LAS-NRT
NH LAS-KIX (Charter)
SQ LAS-HKG

The memories...


User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7104 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 2):
SQ LAS-HKG

I wish that one would have stuck around. The times were fantastic, and customs at LAS were a breeze in comparison to LAX or SFO.



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User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 793 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7080 times:

Why are all of these international airlines going for such a low-yield destination as LAS? Do different types of customers visit LAS from Asia than North America? From North America it's every Jim-Bob and Joe-Jack buying $40 roundtrips on Allegiant and eating at LAS's $1.99 buffets.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13735 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7069 times:

Japan Airlines are leaving Las Vegas soon


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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7036 times:
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Quoting N353SK (Reply 4):
Why are all of these international airlines going for such a low-yield destination as LAS? Do different types of customers visit LAS from Asia than North America? From North America it's every Jim-Bob and Joe-Jack buying $40 roundtrips on Allegiant and eating at LAS's $1.99 buffets.

The simple fact is a lot of wealthy Asians love to gamble and LAS is a perfect destination for them to part with their disposable income.



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User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6954 times:

To add to HeeseokKoo's post and to post what was on the Korea Times' site:

Korean Air, the Las Vegas authority, and the Nevada commission also signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) to jointly promote tourism to the leisure and convention city.

And as it states in the article, they seem to also be going for the VFR traffic too

According to data, 68,000 Koreans visited the city in 2004, but the visitors’ authority suspects the actual number is much more and will increase.

Fingers crossed for this flight!


User currently offlineFlyingDoctorWu From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6861 times:

Quoting N353SK (Reply 4):
Why are all of these international airlines going for such a low-yield destination as LAS? Do different types of customers visit LAS from Asia than North America? From North America it's every Jim-Bob and Joe-Jack buying $40 roundtrips on Allegiant and eating at LAS's $1.99 buffets.

are u kidding me? it must have been a long time since you've beento Vegas. What you are decribing is more akin to the Gulf Coast casinos...

Vegas has remade itself into an upscale adult destination, with hotels like the Bellagio, the Wynn, the Four Seaasons bosting daily rates taht start at around $300 and soar upwards...

Dining has also changed a good amount... there are a number of mobile five star winners in vegas.. there is a branch of Le Cirque, Todd English has opened a restaurant..

Sure there are bargains to be found but they are being squeezed out by the bigger (more expensive) players..


User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6817 times:

Yes, Las Vegas may be more upscale now then before. But many upscale customers don't even fly to LAS commercially, but by private jet, many provided by the casinos.

Yields are still to low to justify service. That's why VS doesn't sacrifice a LHR slot for its service to LAS.

That be said, there is still plenty of international charters to LAS.



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User currently offlineDLCnxgptjax From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6805 times:

I take it this will be the only scheduled 777 service into LAS?

User currently offlineVegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6765 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 9):
That's why VS doesn't sacrifice a LHR slot for its service to LAS.

Pretty sure that LAS is regulated to LGW due to Bermuda II. Same as if BA tried service to LAS, would have to go through LGW.

As for charters, we get MyTravel and Condor, I have not seen/heard of any other charters to LAS from over-seas.

Current Over-Seas Carriers at LAS:

JL 744 to Tokyo
BMI A330 to MAN
Condor 763 to Frankfort
MyTravel A330 to ?????
VS 744 to LGW

flights are not operated daily, although I have heard that VS is going to go daily soon enough.

Quoting DLCnxgptjax (Reply 10):
I take it this will be the only scheduled 777 service into LAS?

Yes, since the SQ flight stopped.

Quoting N353SK (Reply 4):
buying $40 roundtrips on Allegiant

G4 is not even in the top 5 in LAS in terms of passengers carried.

1) WN
2) HP/US
3) UA
4) DL
5) AA


User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6591 times:

We need some *A direct LAS-NRT, LAS-SIN, LAS-BKK flights!

User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6448 times:
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Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 11):
G4 is not even in the top 5 in LAS in terms of passengers carried.

1) WN
2) HP/US
3) UA
4) DL
5) AA

The funny thing is the number of passengers WN has carried in April '06 over April '05 is more pax than Allegiant has carried total out of LAS in April of '06.



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User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6289 times:

Quote:
The simple fact is a lot of wealthy Asians love to gamble and LAS is a perfect destination for them to part with their disposable income.

This is a bit innacurate. The majority of the attraction to LAS from Asia is usually the tourism/sightseeing of the Grand Canyon, combined with the west coast LA and SFO area, not particularly focused on major gambling in LAS. This is where JAL had a lot of problems. Not enough premium revenue, all packeged cheap-ass group tours with no one sitting up front. It would be interesting how Korean does on this route, because once they get to LAS and have seen everything, they usually move on to SFO or LAX and do some sightseeing there and prefer to just fly home from the west coast. But JAL would never spare a B777 on this low yield route, it was operated mostly with B747-300s with HNL market equipment with huge seating capacity so who knows.

TokyoNarita

[Edited 2006-06-14 03:35:22]

User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6251 times:

Gambling is growing in Asia. Macau is growing tremendously. Casinos in Mcau are popping up like mushrooms and Singapore has legalised gambling last year. Thailand is still undecided. All this means LAS will be loosing its Asian connections.

User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6197 times:

This is great news, with JAL leaving this 777 will be great to shoot, I mean how long can you look at that ulgy WN Orange and Blue!  mad 

User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

The orange and blue is magnificent than you very much

Slovacek747


User currently offlineSean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 764 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6033 times:

LAS also has a large Filipino community, as well as a decent community of other Asian nationalities. I wouldn't be surprised to see KE competitively price LAS-MNL as part of their overall strategy.

There is also a reasonable Vegas-Macao traffic going on these days, and soon to be Vegas-Singapore as well.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5983 times:

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 11):
G4 is not even in the top 5 in LAS in terms of passengers carried.

1) WN
2) HP/US
3) UA
4) DL
5) AA

Isn't Allegiant now # 7 at LAS, behind NW but ahead of Alaska?

[Edited 2006-06-14 07:37:30]


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User currently offlineMastaHanky From United States of America, joined May 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5957 times:

Part of me says KE should run this as a triangle ICN-SLC-LAS to take advantage of all the DL feed in SLC which they could codeshare on.

Luckily, louder voices in my head tell me that there aren't too many people in Montana and Wyoming who would connect onto this. Even the SLC O&D I could count on one hand.  Smile

(KE's ICN-ATL flight isn't even daily, is it? Four or five weekly?)


User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1798 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

TokyoNarita..The equipment on this route has always been a 747-400 to LAS

User currently offlineRwmbc From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5901 times:

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 11):
Current Over-Seas Carriers at LAS:

JL 744 to Tokyo
BMI A330 to MAN
Condor 763 to Frankfort
MyTravel A330 to ?????
VS 744 to LGW

You can add that PR flies 4 times weekly Manila to LAS via YVR with an A343.

Must say we had great service flying with them last winter from YVR.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5120 times:

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 17):
The orange and blue is magnificent than you very much

Maybe, but not all day long! WN must have 2000 flights a day coming and going at LAS! It's a spotter's nightmare!

Quoting TokyoNarita (Reply 14):
This is a bit innacurate. The majority of the attraction to LAS from Asia is usually the tourism/sightseeing of the Grand Canyon, combined with the west coast LA and SFO area, not particularly focused on major gambling in LAS. This is where JAL had a lot of problems. Not enough premium revenue, all packeged cheap-ass group tours with no one sitting up front.

Thanks for the info! I was wondering why JAL pulled out.


User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

Any chance of seeing SQ back in LAS?

Why did SQ stop LAS? Was it just loads or something else?


25 MCOflyer : Congrats to KE. I think KE is daily to ATL. I'm not sure. Will they use the Delta gates? I think this KE flight will bring in more revenue than the SQ
26 PITA333 : Do you know how far HP/US is from WN (the exact number of pax?)
27 Nitrohelper : Years ago people said the same thing about first Atlantic City, and then all the Indian casinos would hurt Las Vegas. But the opposite has happened,p
28 FATFlyer : April 2006 numbers looks like this: Total passengers enplaned and deplaned 1) WN - 1,304,026 2) HP/US - 764,625 3) UA - 297,262 4) DL - 188,552 5) AA
29 Flykal : ICN-ATL has been daily B744 for quite some time and loads are always very high on this route. Cheers
30 Post contains links MCOflyer : The last time I checked ICN-ATL was a 777-200ER. http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...32&prev_id=1009621&next_id=1002484
31 B777ER : Are you kidding? I just spent a week there on vacation and let me assure you, there are no 1.99 buffets anywhere along the strip unless you go into o
32 N757KW : KE035/036 ICN-ATL-ICN is currently operated daily with B747-400. During this past off season the flight was operating every other day with a B777-200.
33 Iowaman : I love it actually. What would you rather be spotting, CO ERJ's in CLE all day? Yeah, if you want that stuff anymore you pretty much have to drive to
34 Diesel33 : Not funny. It is quite ridiculous how low you brought this thread.
35 Humberside : MAN and GLA Travel City Direct are starting MAN flights I think. Should be operated by Excel Airways
36 Naritaflyer : The JAL traffic is primarily leisure. There may be some conference and trade show business traffic to LAS but majority is sightseeing. Many Japanese g
37 Vegasplanes : Thanks for the info. My bad, the memory be a bit slow. Not sure about Japanese, but Vegas is packed around Chinese New Years, I believe the Chinese a
38 MalpensaSFO : The rumors spinning around the city now include: Avianca (BOG-GUA-LAS ?) Qantas (SYD-LAX-LAS) China Airlines (TPE-LAS) Singapore Airlines (HKG-LAS) .
39 Humberside : Probably replacing bmi's flight
40 Post contains images Atrude777 : Actually yes Nick loves his Continental planes hahaha Alex
41 Lasbagman : I groundhandle JL 26 from Nrt, I dont think its a suspension of service. More then likely its termination of service. The yields wre low on this fligh
42 Post contains links N136FE : Hey Diesel33 I wasn't trying to be funny....check some some of the atrocious acts done to animals the country in question. Its a very serious "social"
43 Burnsie28 : They wouldn't be allowed to pick up any passengers in SLC. Yep now NW has a A320 that runs between LAX and LAS daily strictly for those flying in fro
44 Utapao : KE 35 is a 744 19JUN MON ICN/Z‡9 ATL/EDT-13 1KE 35 P4 C4 R4 I0 W4 Y4 K4 M4*ICNATL 1000A 1045A 744 LD 0 /E
45 Wr70beh : Where's CO on this list? I wonder what the count was for HP and US before the merger?
46 MalpensaSFO : That may be true for Japan but not for mainland Asia. The Wynn, MGM Grand, Venetian, and Bellagio are raking in the dough on the Chinese, and Korean
47 FATFlyer : Ooops, sorry, I skipped over it when transcribing my notes. CO is at #6 with 168,100. HP/US are still listed separately but I combined them. Individu
48 Burnsie28 : I'm well aware of that, I was just pointing it out, it was switching between an A319, its a steady A320 now, and the service originally started with
49 MalpensaSFO : Question to all. The flights are listed on the Korean Air website, but not available for sale. What gives?
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