ATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1 Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3143 times:
ATA is cleaning up on ALL of their current flight to hawaii. The current load factor are in the high 90's or sold out for the next few months. This is even on the new ONT,LAX-HNL and OAK-ITO even with the new flights being offered by the competition. This should translate into a very positive strenghtening of their position as a scheduled service carrier. I would expect to hear some good things from them soon.
7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3586 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3143 times:
I would hope that they do not expand too fast. Does ATA still use ORD for any charters, etc.?
The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 10 Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3143 times:
I am delighted for ITO that they have a mainland flight, but what market are they going after with ITO-OAK? Is it aimed at a Hilo-Oakland O&D market? Is it for connections?
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San747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4934 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3091 times:
Good to see ONT-HNL doing well, ONT needs more services like this and this is a good sign for the future...
737tanker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 221 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3055 times:
Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 1): I am delighted for ITO that they have a mainland flight, but what market are they going after with ITO-OAK? Is it aimed at a Hilo-Oakland O&D market? Is it for connections?
It is for the connections on Southwest. ATA and Southwest codeshare from OAK and other cities to Hawaii.
7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3586 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3055 times:
I did not write that....
The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2927 times:
Quote: It is for the connections on Southwest. ATA and Southwest codeshare from OAK and other cities to Hawaii.
Okay, that makes sense...but why ITO? Why not KOA?
As much as love Hilo (I'd rather stay there than Kona!!), it's not the "happening" tourist locale. What is ATA's rationale for ITO and not KOA?
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Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4088 posts, RR: 7 Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2751 times:
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2718 times:
Quoting Iowaman (Reply 7): The loads may be great, but what about yields??
ATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2681 times:
The yields are doing very well! Dont forget this is high season for Hawaii so you are not seeing bargins.
TZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1419 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2564 times:
Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 1): I would hope that they do not expand too fast. Does ATA still use ORD for any charters, etc.?
Not this time around and we haven't got the airplanes to expand anyway. With no additional narrowbodies planned anytime soon, the current schedule is all that can be handled with the 21 aircraft that are segregated to sched service. Though if loads and yields are good, 757-200/300s could be moved from charter.
As for ORD, no more tour group charters out of there.
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Vulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 517 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2554 times:
I was told just the other day by an ATA captain that they will soon be changing over to all 757 service to Hawaii because they are leaving behind alot of cargo. Interesting. More seats,yeah!!!
Oakjam From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 182 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2514 times:
Could the 757 be used on the Oakland flights? I know that there is a cargo opportunity on the ITO-OAK route. I know that the OAK-HNL flight is pretty full. I'm glad ATA is doing good at OAK, most airlines tend to take off from this airport.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5526 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2508 times:
Yes...it would be interesting to see the Hawaii flights turn from 738's to 752/753's. Somehow, I doubt we'll see too many 753's in sched service. But never say never.
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4553 posts, RR: 17 Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2457 times:
As to yields, I notice several days this month where the one way coach fare OAK-ITO is the same as the biz-class fare ($638 one-way). How are the biz-class seats doing, by the way?
HNL From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 190 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2421 times:
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4553 posts, RR: 17 Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2390 times:
You know what would carry a LOT of cargo? An L1011. I know, I know. (It would be of dubious reliability for sked service, it would burn a lot of fuel, it requires 3 crewmembers in the cockpit, people think it's "old", it's making ATA plenty of money on military charter these days.) But I had to at least mention it. Heck, it looks like the 4 753s are flying their little heinies off on domestic as well as international CRAF charter these days.
Swadispatcher From United States of America, joined May 2004, 427 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2349 times:
Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 16): Heck, it looks like the 4 753s are flying their little heinies off on domestic as well as international CRAF charter these days.
That's true! I saw an IND-MEX ferry flight tonight that was a 753. Curious to know where it's going after that..
Maintain 2300 until Boiler, cleared for the VOR-A approach, report BATLE inbound..
Ha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3492 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2342 times:
ATA has been serving Hawaii for such a long time that it was never a question of getting the pax. However, I think it is a little early to say that the new routes are a success. New Hawaii routes are usually heavily booked in the begining. They have already been flying from LAX for many years and I believe that OAK/ONT-HNL will do fine, but I don't know if the ITO flight will last.
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 13): Yes...it would be interesting to see the Hawaii flights turn from 738's to 752/753's. Somehow, I doubt we'll see too many 753's in sched service. But never say never.
ATA started out in HNL with the L-1011s (I actually went to HNL and got to interview an ATA L-1011 pilot for a high school project in 1995), then changed to almost all 753s, now almost all 738s.
TZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1419 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2294 times:
Quoting Vulindlela744 (Reply 11): I was told just the other day by an ATA captain that they will soon be changing over to all 757 service to Hawaii because they are leaving behind alot of cargo. Interesting. More seats,yeah!!!
Not true, but select flights maybe. We only have 6 757-200s, 3 are used in the charter ops and the other three on the PHX/LAS-HNL/OGG flights. The sliding carpet loading system will be removed from all the 737-800s this fall to increase their cargo load capabilities.
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Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4553 posts, RR: 17 Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2259 times:
Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 17): I saw an IND-MEX ferry flight tonight that was a 753. Curious to know where it's going after that..
DFW. Hmmm....commercial charter, maybe? I get the flight number significance all mixed up these days with ATA. Its like 5000, 6000, 7000, 8000, and I get them confused.
ATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2126 times:
Quoting Ha763 (Reply 18): ATA has been serving Hawaii for such a long time that it was never a question of getting the pax. However, I think it is a little early to say that the new routes are a success
You are actually wrong on that one. New routes take time to build and attract passengers. The fact that they are full and yields are good mean that they are a success no arguing that. I am sure that the use of a 757 on at least the OAK-HNL would be good for the route.
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8552 posts, RR: 14 Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2114 times:
Congrats to TZ. When some 757's become evaluable, maybe they'll pick them up or 73GER. I wouldnt be surprised if they pick up more 752 A/C.
Socal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2026 times:
I also heard ATA was doing fine on the ONT-HNL route. My friend, who works for Southwest Airlines said its usually full. They handle all ground service for ATA. I think ATA hooked up with a good partner.
Edelag From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 329 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2016 times:
Next week I will be flying on ATA flight 4757 which is LAX-HNL. I will be writing a trip report about my flying experience with them.
It's not just the destination, it's the journey.
25 Bobnwa: What are the RASM's on these flights. I know you say they are good but give us the numbers!
26 ATA767: Sorry, that information is classified and can not be posted on this forum for obvious reasons.
27 Bobnwa: You mean classified as in "top secret" by the government. Do you know the numbers? Do you think the planning people for any airline do not know the R
28 Swadispatcher: In all fairness, he's right.. That's not really something that one should post on a public message board. And yes, I'm sure that he DOES know that in
29 ATA767: I find it hard that people still seem to think that ATA would not at least have a leg up in doing well while having SWA behind it. ATA would definetly
30 LN-MOW: Taking mexican soccer fans to Germany. ATA's had a string of those flights. They also did an L15 POS-FRA for Trinidad & Tobago.
31 GGpillow: ITO is a great city for ATA because of the lack of flights to the mainland, and its a very nice airport. ITO is also a good choice for many travelers
32 Mjt909: My parents are flying hnl-ont this evening and the flight is delayed almost 6 hours. ATA gave everyone vouchers for another flight and $10 food vouche
33 Wjcandee: Good for them. Six hours is a lot, but I have been stuck at ATL during weather for longer than that, so it's nice to see ATA doing the right thing by
34 Ha763: I guess you've never seen a new Hawaii route start up. I have seen 4 new daily routes start up and they were all heavily booked in the begining, some
35 ATA767: Well that is 75% success rate which I think is pretty good. ATA has the right size A/C for that market. Hawaian may be the ones to feel the pinch in
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