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ATA And Hawaii A Match!  
User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

ATA is cleaning up on ALL of their current flight to hawaii. The current load factor are in the high 90's or sold out for the next few months. This is even on the new ONT,LAX-HNL and OAK-ITO even with the new flights being offered by the competition. This should translate into a very positive strenghtening of their position as a scheduled service carrier. I would expect to hear some good things from them soon.

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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

I would hope that they do not expand too fast. Does ATA still use ORD for any charters, etc.?


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

I am delighted for ITO that they have a mainland flight, but what market are they going after with ITO-OAK? Is it aimed at a Hilo-Oakland O&D market? Is it for connections?


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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3980 times:

Good to see ONT-HNL doing well, ONT needs more services like this and this is a good sign for the future...


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User currently offline737tanker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 1):
I am delighted for ITO that they have a mainland flight, but what market are they going after with ITO-OAK? Is it aimed at a Hilo-Oakland O&D market? Is it for connections?

It is for the connections on Southwest. ATA and Southwest codeshare from OAK and other cities to Hawaii.


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

I did not write that....


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

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It is for the connections on Southwest. ATA and Southwest codeshare from OAK and other cities to Hawaii.

Okay, that makes sense...but why ITO? Why not KOA?

As much as love Hilo (I'd rather stay there than Kona!!), it's not the "happening" tourist locale. What is ATA's rationale for ITO and not KOA?



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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4403 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3640 times:
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The loads may be great, but what about yields??


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3607 times:
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Quoting Iowaman (Reply 7):
The loads may be great, but what about yields??

That right there says it all.



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User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

The yields are doing very well! Dont forget this is high season for Hawaii so you are not seeing bargins.

User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 1):
I would hope that they do not expand too fast. Does ATA still use ORD for any charters, etc.?

Not this time around and we haven't got the airplanes to expand anyway. With no additional narrowbodies planned anytime soon, the current schedule is all that can be handled with the 21 aircraft that are segregated to sched service. Though if loads and yields are good, 757-200/300s could be moved from charter.

As for ORD, no more tour group charters out of there.



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User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3443 times:

I was told just the other day by an ATA captain that they will soon be changing over to all 757 service to Hawaii because they are leaving behind alot of cargo. Interesting. More seats,yeah!!!

User currently offlineOakjam From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Could the 757 be used on the Oakland flights? I know that there is a cargo opportunity on the ITO-OAK route. I know that the OAK-HNL flight is pretty full. I'm glad ATA is doing good at OAK, most airlines tend to take off from this airport.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3397 times:
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Yes...it would be interesting to see the Hawaii flights turn from 738's to 752/753's. Somehow, I doubt we'll see too many 753's in sched service. But never say never.

User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5163 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

As to yields, I notice several days this month where the one way coach fare OAK-ITO is the same as the biz-class fare ($638 one-way). How are the biz-class seats doing, by the way?

User currently offlineHNL From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 6):

There are better cargo opportunities out of ITO than KOA.



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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5163 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

You know what would carry a LOT of cargo? An L1011. I know, I know. (It would be of dubious reliability for sked service, it would burn a lot of fuel, it requires 3 crewmembers in the cockpit, people think it's "old", it's making ATA plenty of money on military charter these days.) But I had to at least mention it. Heck, it looks like the 4 753s are flying their little heinies off on domestic as well as international CRAF charter these days.

User currently offlineSwadispatcher From United States of America, joined May 2004, 427 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 16):
Heck, it looks like the 4 753s are flying their little heinies off on domestic as well as international CRAF charter these days.

That's true! I saw an IND-MEX ferry flight tonight that was a 753. Curious to know where it's going after that..



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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3231 times:
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ATA has been serving Hawaii for such a long time that it was never a question of getting the pax. However, I think it is a little early to say that the new routes are a success. New Hawaii routes are usually heavily booked in the begining. They have already been flying from LAX for many years and I believe that OAK/ONT-HNL will do fine, but I don't know if the ITO flight will last.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 13):
Yes...it would be interesting to see the Hawaii flights turn from 738's to 752/753's. Somehow, I doubt we'll see too many 753's in sched service. But never say never.

ATA started out in HNL with the L-1011s (I actually went to HNL and got to interview an ATA L-1011 pilot for a high school project in 1995), then changed to almost all 753s, now almost all 738s.

[Edited 2006-06-14 05:24:52]

User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

Quoting Vulindlela744 (Reply 11):
I was told just the other day by an ATA captain that they will soon be changing over to all 757 service to Hawaii because they are leaving behind alot of cargo. Interesting. More seats,yeah!!!

Not true, but select flights maybe. We only have 6 757-200s, 3 are used in the charter ops and the other three on the PHX/LAS-HNL/OGG flights. The sliding carpet loading system will be removed from all the 737-800s this fall to increase their cargo load capabilities.



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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5163 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3148 times:

Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 17):
I saw an IND-MEX ferry flight tonight that was a 753. Curious to know where it's going after that..

DFW. Hmmm....commercial charter, maybe? I get the flight number significance all mixed up these days with ATA. Its like 5000, 6000, 7000, 8000, and I get them confused.


User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3015 times:

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 18):
ATA has been serving Hawaii for such a long time that it was never a question of getting the pax. However, I think it is a little early to say that the new routes are a success

You are actually wrong on that one. New routes take time to build and attract passengers. The fact that they are full and yields are good mean that they are a success no arguing that. I am sure that the use of a 757 on at least the OAK-HNL would be good for the route.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3003 times:

Congrats to TZ. When some 757's become evaluable, maybe they'll pick them up or 73GER. I wouldnt be surprised if they pick up more 752 A/C.

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User currently offlineSocal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

I also heard ATA was doing fine on the ONT-HNL route. My friend, who works for Southwest Airlines said its usually full. They handle all ground service for ATA. I think ATA hooked up with a good partner.  bigthumbsup 


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User currently offlineEdelag From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

Next week I will be flying on ATA flight 4757 which is LAX-HNL. I will be writing a trip report about my flying experience with them.


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25 Bobnwa : What are the RASM's on these flights. I know you say they are good but give us the numbers!
26 ATA767 : Sorry, that information is classified and can not be posted on this forum for obvious reasons.
27 Bobnwa : You mean classified as in "top secret" by the government. Do you know the numbers? Do you think the planning people for any airline do not know the R
28 Post contains images Swadispatcher : In all fairness, he's right.. That's not really something that one should post on a public message board. And yes, I'm sure that he DOES know that in
29 ATA767 : I find it hard that people still seem to think that ATA would not at least have a leg up in doing well while having SWA behind it. ATA would definetly
30 LN-MOW : Taking mexican soccer fans to Germany. ATA's had a string of those flights. They also did an L15 POS-FRA for Trinidad & Tobago.
31 GGpillow : ITO is a great city for ATA because of the lack of flights to the mainland, and its a very nice airport. ITO is also a good choice for many travelers
32 Mjt909 : My parents are flying hnl-ont this evening and the flight is delayed almost 6 hours. ATA gave everyone vouchers for another flight and $10 food vouche
33 Wjcandee : Good for them. Six hours is a lot, but I have been stuck at ATL during weather for longer than that, so it's nice to see ATA doing the right thing by
34 Ha763 : I guess you've never seen a new Hawaii route start up. I have seen 4 new daily routes start up and they were all heavily booked in the begining, some
35 ATA767 : Well that is 75% success rate which I think is pretty good. ATA has the right size A/C for that market. Hawaian may be the ones to feel the pinch in
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