Jet Setter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3554 times:
This question was asked a few weeks ago in another thread, and today I found this interesting information;
It concerned Oman Air ending service to Karachi, and considering withdrawal of Peshawar and Gwadar services and British Airways' possible withdrawal from Islamabad (any confirmation on that?)
Oman Air is the latest carrier to end service to Karachi, following SAS, KLM, Air France, Lufthansa and Japan Airlines. The main problems were;
- High parking charges
- High airbridge/handling charges
- Low yields
The Pakistani government has investigated why 6 major airlines have abandoned Pakistan, and concluded the following...
- The CAA should come under the control of the Ministry of Transport, not the Ministry of Defence which currently controls it. The Ministry of Transport is obviously better equipped to meet the needs of the airline industry in Pakistan and will be more market-driven.
- The Director General of the CAA should be familiar with Civil Aviation regulations and operations.
- The CAA should be given the mandate to make decisions, not the MoD.
- Widespread misuse and abuse of powers
- Regulatory rules worked to disadvantage international airlines and favour PIA. Double standards, one for PIA, one for foreign airlines.
- Theft of engineering tools from PIA's hangars in Karachi and Islamabad, which is a problem in it's self and also unnecessarily delays maintenance work completion.
- Widespread absenteeism at PIA
- Heavy daily theft of food and utensils from PIA's flight kitchens
- Excess baggage charges not passed on to airlines, but pocketed by officials
- PIA continues to operate several unprofitable routes despite a directive to suspend them
- PIA needs to rationalise their fleet, operating 7 different aircraft types, even though they only have 49 aircraft
AT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3489 times:
I too was wondering, jetsetter, why so many airlines were pulling out of Pakistan given that it has such a huge population. Your information begins to suggest why.
I was atleast glad to see Cathay Pacific go against the flow and actually ADD rather than suspend service. They should easily be able to fill their A330s thrice a week because both Bangkok and Hongkong are huge tourist destinations for Pakistanis right now.
I'm originally from Pakistan, and everyone I know travelling between the US and Pakistan prefers to connect in Europe or the Middle East rather than travel PIA direct. I myself refuse to fly PIA any more.Sad isn't it.
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3428 times:
Interesting to here about the MOD being involved with Civil stuff.
I think this might also be the case in Argentina; at least Buenos Aires (Ezeiza Int'l) has military ATC, although civil procedures are used.
I flew with BA to Islamabad in June, and I visited the flightdeck crew (777), who actually told me BA were going to axe the route. I can confirm that Islamabad is one of the more chaotic airports I've been to, the lack of air conditining is disgraceful, given the climate during summer, and their "International" status.
I have to add though, that the city is beautiful.
They've (BA) recently axed Santiago, because of LanChile in OneWorld.
Shame, that was probably one of BA's more scenic "shuttles".
Thud From Pakistan, joined Aug 2000, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3417 times:
I know how you feel. I landed at Lahore in June(!) and the electricity in the baggage hall went awol. The backup generator came on but it only serviced the baggage carousel!! Then the baggage took 1 hour to arrive from the 743. I think teh temp was 100+ taht day. Need i say more but it was great to be back home!!
I flew to ISB in 744 and the flight crew were mentioning a suspension od services then. Surprising as the flight was full
Airmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3372 times:
after reading this post ive decided never to fly PIA internationally, well most people dont, they prefer them on domestic services only cause the four private carriers Shaheen, Safe air, Bhoja and Aero Asia operate narrow body Russian and Romanian equipment where as PIAs all western fleet offers mostly wide bodied Airbus and Boeings on the major urban routes, even my aunt who used to work for the airline never travelled with them internationally, on the trips she took during her carrer she flew British Airways to London, KLM to Los Angeles and Thai Airways to Burma, the only advantage PIA has on international routes is the direct service to most destinations so the hassle of changing a/c at unfamiliar airports and hours of waiting for connecting flights is avoided, but then again PIAs old fleet is notorious for break downs causing hours of delays sometimes for upto a day and missed connections,in the past year just three of my relatives and a friend chose to fly with them a cousin from Amsterdam to Islamabad, another from Los Angeles to Karachi but she flew Virgin Atlantic halfway to London and she took this flight cause according to her travel agent it had the shortest connecting time i think about three hours, besides them a friend took PIA to London and vowed to never fly them again, for his honeymoon this year he took Qatar Airways, the only regulars on PIA were my uncle and his family from New York but after their last trip in August even theyve decided to stop flying with them, most of my relatives and friends took Thai, KLM, Emirates, Gulf air and Saudi Arabian Airlines on their trips, a cousin going to washington tomorrow is flying Swissair.So i dont know how the MOD policies are benefitting PIA considering that the airline has posted losses in millions every month for the past year.
Pakistania From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3346 times:
well my uncle and his wife had their passports changed so that they wouldnt have to fly PIA on their trip to Iran,this was when the Govt. had announced this stupid policy in the 80's that wouldnt allow people to travel on a foreign carrier for two years if theyd flown them on their last trip abroad and theyd have to travel by PIA for the two year period, can you believe it? im glad thats been done away with.