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SIA Orders 20 787s  
User currently offlineN1786b From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 560 posts, RR: 17
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20852 times:

Singapore Air says to buy 20 Boeings for $4.5 bln
Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:29am ET

SINGAPORE, June 14 (Reuters) - Singapore Airlines Ltd. the world's No. 2 airline by market value, said on Wednesday it would buy 20 Boeing 787-9 planes, and has rights to purchase another 20.

The carrier said the list price for the 20 firm orders was US$4.52 billion.



- n1786b

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User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20842 times:

Do you have link to the story? I do not doubt you, but just making sure, so I do not write something prematurely  Wink

Cheers,
PP



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20842 times:

LOL Airbus's bad week gets worse...

Seriously though - congrats to all involved if this is true, though hardly an earth-shattering surprise.

[Edited 2006-06-14 11:42:22]


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20801 times:

That a good one. Congratulations to Boeing!

I bet they will use them mainly intra asia.

The A310s being replaced by B777's probably wasn't sustainable.

What I don't understand is the price : $4.5bill / 20 seems more like a 747/ 777-300ER..


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20801 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 3):
What I don't understand is the price : $4.5bill / 20 seems more like a 747/ 777-300ER..

I was going to say - seems a little steep...



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineUALmMflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20801 times:

Here is the link


http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...01_SFA001862&type=comktNews&rpc=44



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User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20751 times:

Nice, Great boost for 787 program... Polymer Plane Rulez Big grin

Cheers,
PP



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20751 times:

What kind of order is that?!


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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20702 times:

The Star Alliance carrier says in a mobile phone text message to Flight that the formal announcement is currently being prepared. The deal will comprise 20 firm orders for 787-9s and purchase rights for 20 more, the short message service (SMS) continues.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...latest+blow+to+Airbus's+A350.html


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20667 times:

Well, I guess that settles that - not too surprising after the A380 fiasco!

However, 20 aircraft for $4.52billion gives $226million an airframe (with other threads citing sources as the list price of the 787 being $50m to $70m cheaper than that), so either thats a premium for some reason over other airlines orders or each airframe has $50million of support attached somehow which seems a lot.

Anyone explain?


User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20582 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 9):

Maybe including options? seems to be very vague.

Cheers,
PP



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20582 times:

In first place I would like to congratulate both SQ and Boeing. This is without a doubt a well fought battle.

The A350/A370 fiasco + additional A380 delays have exhausted SQ patience. Hopefully the A350/A370 will still be a contender down the line for the replacement of the B772/773.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20521 times:

Singapore Airlines has signed a Letter of Intent to purchase 20 Boeing 787-9s, with purchase rights for another 20 of the same aircraft.
At current manufacturer catalogue prices, the value of the 20 firm aircraft is US$ 4.52 billion.
Deliveries will be scheduled between early 2011 and mid 2013, and will be for fleet renewal as well as to cater for growth.
The decision to purchase the 787-9 is the culmination of an extensive evaluation of the performance characteristics and operating economics promised for the different versions of Boeing’s new 787 aircraft.
The –9 is the newest version on offer, and has the largest cabin and longest range. In a standard three-class configuration, it can carry between 250 and 290 passengers. It also has space for about 20 tonnes of cargo, and will have a range of 8,600 to 8,800 nautical miles (15,900 to 16,300 kilometres).
Singapore Airlines plans to deploy the aircraft on routes to North Asia, the Indian subcontinent and the Middle East.
Apart from its extensive use of composites and advanced technology, which will enhance operating efficiency, the 787 will enable Singapore Airlines to further its commitment to innovation and improvement in providing service, comfort and entertainment to customers.The engines to power the aircraft will be selected at a later date.
Singapore Airlines will be able to fund the acquisitions by cash flow generated from airline operations.
* * *
For further information, please contact: Public Affairs Department



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20521 times:

Considering the problems Airbus has been having with the A350 and A380, this isn't the least bit surprising. Congratulations to SIA and Boeing!


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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20474 times:

That's the premium airlines have to pay from Boeing since there is no competition...
Imagine a world in which sole Boeing would sell aircraft- a sheer nightmare for airlines and customers,since the price of aircraft would skyrocket and that would obviously have repercussions on ticket-price....



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User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20474 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 12):
Deliveries will be scheduled between early 2011 and mid 2013, and will be for fleet renewal as well as to cater for growth.

Does this seem to be a bit late or it is normal from the slot availability point of view, considering it is a 787-9 not -10?

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 12):
Singapore Airlines will be able to fund the acquisitions by cash flow generated from airline operations.

They are buying it outright. Wow, they certainly have a very strong cash flow.

Since SQ is buying -9, what is the prospect of -10?

Cheers,
PP



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3830 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20474 times:

Talk about a slap in the face to Airbus for all those A380 delays.

But still, good for Boeing and SQ!



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20426 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 16):
Talk about a slap in the face to Airbus for all those A380 delays.

The timing of the order is certainly interesting...perhaps Singapore is sending Airbus a message?



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20426 times:

Too little too late I say...



Here's hoping for a more substantial order in the weeks to come and also a second Boeing production line.



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User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20373 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 16):
The timing of the order is certainly interesting...perhaps Singapore is sending Airbus a message?

I do not think so, If you think about it, the order should have been finalized and brought up to the board of director meeting probably earlier than the delay announcement.

Cheers,
PP



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20329 times:

Great to hear I was expecting it would go to Boeing, I guess we will see the anouncement of the LH order soon. Since both airlines are Star Alliance and they worked together on their order.


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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20329 times:

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 19):

I do not think so, If you think about it, the order should have been finalized and brought up to the board of director meeting probably earlier than the delay announcement.

We'll see I suppose. I think the latest A380 delay may have killed Airbus' prospects of winning the B787/A350 battle.

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 18):
and also a second Boeing production line.

My money says a second B787 line is a sure bet unless Airbus really works some magic with the new A350/A370.



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User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20280 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 21):
My money says a second B787 line is a sure bet unless Airbus really works some magic with the new A350/A370.

I do not know the actual deal, but if SQ already settles for 2011-13 delivery dates, I don't really see the need for a second line, since it increases the project risks significantly.

Cheers,
PP



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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20234 times:

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 19):
I do not think so

I don't think so either.
It would certainly be amusing to some here on a.net, but I think things don't go that way. Orders need to be seriously evaluated by boards first and when airlines have things to tell Airbus, I'd imagine they do directly via the phone (or through their lawyers if they are not on speaking terms) not by ordering planes from another manufacturer.

What is more probable is that SQ -which has been given a preview of the reworked A350 only recently- has had enough grounds to decide on the 787-9 now, without hesitating like they did in the past.

Interesting to note how the press release does not mention SQ selected the plane after comparing with the A350, but rather states:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 12):
The decision to purchase the 787-9 is the culmination of an extensive evaluation of the performance characteristics and operating economics promised for the different versions of Boeing's new 787 aircraft.

Does that mean the A350 is indeed moving up into 777 territory and thus not set against the 787 any longer? It would make some sense (I know it is just one possibility and I have no proof or link whatsoever, I just like to puzzle a bit with the few pieces we are given)

Anyway, good to see we have CONSTRUCTIVE topics to speculate on, rather than NEGATIVE topics (787 problems, A380 delays etc etc...)

[Edited 2006-06-14 12:21:09]

User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20234 times:

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 23):
Does that mean the A350 is indeed moving up into 777 territory and thus not set against the 787 any longer?

Then would that mean that Airbus is ceding the 767/A300/A310 replacement market to Boeing withought a fight? Somehow, I don't think so....



"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
25 Columba : I know Flight International is a reliable source but getting their news via SMS makes me wonder somehow. Is that a common practise to inform the pres
26 PolymerPlane : SMS is a very acceptable way of communication in SE asia. Cheers, PP
27 Singapore_Air : It wouldn't surprise me. Flight International and Reuters got the news before the stock exchange... I think.
28 RichardPrice : Surprising, because SMS is not verifiable or secure at all (you can change the source fields on sending so it can look to come from anyone you want,
29 Glom : That link is a bit vague. And the order is rather smaller than we were expecting.
30 Post contains images PolymerPlane : Yeah, but it is the cheapest way to communicate. Cellphone minutes are expensive there, while text msging is much cheaper. (Cheapskate SE Asian ) (BT
31 Lumberton : 20 / 20 isn't a bad day's work! Does anyone remember how many 777s they ordered initially when they opted to replace the A343?
32 Slz396 : Although the second line has been mentioned several times, it does indeed constitute a big risk (you need to keep it filled, not only the first few y
33 Post contains links SFORunner : Boeing confrms: http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q2/060614b_nr.html Boeing Statement Regarding Singapore Airlines 787 Dreamliner Announcement
34 Post contains images Lumberton : Fully agree. I just can't see Boeing going for a second line at this point when there are supplier integration issues to be solved. Why compound the
35 Lumberton : I find it extremely noteworthy that they sold this deal without any 2009-2010 slots. There was speculation that Boeing would entice them with some Pr
36 Singapore_Air : Why has Boeing moved from calling SIA "the best" to now "one of the world's outstanding carriers." Hmm. How rude!
37 PolymerPlane : That's for 787-8 no? the order is 787-9... there might be some difference there... Cheers, PP
38 Lumberton : Good point! Mmmmm....could they have had 787-8s earlier? If so, maybe AA, UA, or (good heavens!) DL will jump on these. LH? AF?
39 Slz396 : Indeed, they can't risk that again, that would be foolish after all the hard work done.... On the other hand, IF the second 787 line is not opened, t
40 Gunsontheroof : AA and DL are givens for the 787 program. UA, LH, and AF are going to be our next exciting battles between Airbus and Boeing...
41 UALMMFlyer : Interesting! I've never noticed Boeing used the word "best" in its previous press releases to describe SQ. I guess I've never paid attention. I will
42 PolymerPlane : Funny thing, I thought airlines do not place aircraft orders based on press analysis. Plus, all the negative press came from the customers, not from
43 Zoom1018 : I do not think so... Boeing has called Singapore Airlines differently... a world leader in in-flight cabin services a world class airline one of the
44 Lumberton : Please edit your post. Those were not my words. Thanks.
45 Lumberton : I have to agree with you again, both on the 30% mid-body share comment and the fact that the "real" contest will be the narrow body replacement marke
46 UAL777UK : Great News, and well done Boeing........no surprises though, it has to be said!
47 UALMMFlyer : Sorry. I am not sure what happened with the "quote selected text" function.
48 Post contains links Keesje : Leahy speculated at the launch of the 787-8 that is was a little small. Me too a month ago: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/re
49 9V-SVA : Could the $4.52 billion list price include parts and engines? From what I gather SQ has yet to choose an engine for the 787, but my guess is they will
50 Trex8 : do they want these planes for long haul or as a better sized replacement for their previous A310 routes for which they are abusing 777s presently???
51 PolymerPlane : Airlines from US have not ordered 767 replacement yet. If they are starting to do fleet renewal, you can expect a boat load order of -8 Cheers, PP
52 Post contains images Chiad : Oh man. I have to admit that I was hoping SQ would opt for the A350 on this one, considering the huge success the B787 already enjoys. LOL
53 STT757 : Congratulations to Boeing and Singapore Air, the 787 is going to offer a new level of comfort for passengers and improved economics for carriers. I'm
54 Airbazar : The 787-9 carries about the same number of passengers as the 772's being "abused" by SQ in their intra-Asia routes, no?
55 Post contains links SFORunner : More: http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/060614/airlines_singaporeair.html?.v=4 Singapore Airlines has not yet chosen the engines for the aircraft and said it wi
56 F14ATomcat : Looking at the Boeing press release the numbers of firm Boeing customers for the 787 is now 28, not including the announcement from Singapore. "Curren
57 Brendows : I don't know what config SQ has on the 772A's, but the floor area on the 789 is too small, compared to the 772A, to carry the same amount of pax in e
58 DAYflyer : Maybe it includes the 20 options? So much for Boeing and the 787 not having any orders from a "blue chip" carrier. An interesting statement-no mentio
59 Post contains links Spartanmjf : Boeing confirms: http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q2/060614b_nr.html
60 Lumberton : IMO you have just hit this one on target! All that's missing is for Boeing to confirm.
61 Post contains links FlyingDoctorWu : Looks like they are not using the 787-9 as a replacement for the 772A Source: Bloomberg News http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news...&sid=a7tt37Jw4occ&
62 RedFlyer : I believe the order was around 70 777's. Don't know if that was the firm number or combined firm/options.
63 Aussie747 : Maybe thats just the value of the order at list prices, who on earth plays list prices. I am sure they received an approriate discount that SQ were h
64 DeltaDC9 : Probably had nothing to do with it. They dont need to send any messages, the contract is message enough. PolymerPlane is one of the few that understa
65 PolymerPlane : I think I know the answer to this one. I think It is listed in Singapore dollars instead of US dollars. Quick conversion from xe.com, SG$4.5 bil=US$2
66 Columba : But the 787-9 will be much more cheaper to operate than the 772.
67 Post contains images Keesje : please stop saying sensible things, its confusing
68 Zamaria : As today's announcement is an "intent to order" and Boeing has not added the 20 to the order total, could SQ be using this order as some type of "wake
69 Post contains images NYC777 : PP I think you solved the mystery. Good call . I do't think that this order was a message to Airbus but I don't think SQ is done ordering and the fut
70 Art : Airbus said they would have a competitor... again ...and again ...and again.
71 RichardPrice : Amen to that, only a fool wouldnt grab the ball Airbus has literally handed to Boeing and run all the way with it. This Im not sure about, as people
72 PolymerPlane : I bet SQ does not just sign an LoI with Boeing, just to get back at Airbus. I think it will not cancel the LoI just because Airbus apologize to SQ. I
73 Tockeyhockey : it's simple economics. restrictions on available delivery slots, increases in fuel prices, no competition. boeing is forcing airlines into a corner a
74 PolymerPlane : No, It's in SG$, look at reply 65
75 BoeingFever777 : Is this the time frame SQ was looking for? Also I agree with others the price seems high for (20/20) order. You think they bought some more 773/748s?
76 Mptpa : Well may be the terms include switching to other family members in the options right. Who knows what the exact T&C's are. I think the CEO sent this m
77 DeltaDC9 : I am truly sorry, I forgot how things work around here. Boeing rules and Airbus drools! Is that better?
78 Post contains links Leelaw : From WSJ (Fair Use Excerpt): ...Singapore Airlines didn't reveal the price of the aircraft, but said the outlay would be funded from operating cash fl
79 NYC777 : I think that SQ will continue to order this year and will place orders for the 748I and 787-10 as well as the 772LR. Perhaps they already did that las
80 FlyingDoctorWu : All orders start out as a LOI and then become firm orders as all of the financial details are fully hammered out. But; they do include deposits so it
81 BoeingFever777 : I believe the (20) 773ER's are for QR as they have made that public now.
82 Post contains links Grantcv : Boeing's statement on the order makes it sound like it is an earlier announcement than is usually the case. http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/
83 Zamaria : Yes, I agree. The timing (just after the announced displeasure over the A380) is just too coincidental to not mean anything. -Z
84 AirFrnt : I am really surprised honestly at the timing of this announcement. SQ had more to gain by waiting for the 370 and seeing if they could eek a bit more
85 Katekebo : I think that the expectations about A370 that have been circulating on this forum are little more than wishfull thinking on behalf of the hard-core A
86 RayChuang : I looks like Airbus will really need to step up A320 Family sales because it appears there isn't much demand for the A380-800 and Airbus has yet to ge
87 Moose1226 : Is the trifecta to which you refer CX, SQ and OF? PolymerPlane is right that multi-billion dollar orders are not placed as revenge, but the timing is
88 BlueSky1976 : OK, so no -10 for SQ just yet. That leaves EK as a potential launch customer for it, unless they really, really, REALLY like what Airbus has to offer
89 Ken777 : Congrats to SQ. I don't think that the order is a show of displeasure over the 380, but I do think that SQ is la little unhappy with Airbus over the 3
90 Revelation : I've read in the past that Airbus's goal was 50% share across the board. A few years back that was plausible: A300 was bringing in cash via freighter
91 Stitch : If EK is the driving force behind the 787-10, and they are ready to commit to it with a large order at Farnsborough, then some (or all) of those 20 op
92 Mush : Everybody keeps saying this..."the real competition is in the narrowbody replacement"...I don't agree because the narrowbody replacement market is pr
93 Timboflier215 : Congrats to SIA for this order! Just wish they'd done it earlier and got earlier slots!! Hopefully they will order more at some point. 20/20 is still
94 Tockeyhockey : it is quite possible that the sticker price has gone up. boeing has a defacto monopoly with the 787. when SQ's bean counters do the math, they realiz
95 AirFrnt : It would be suicidal for Airbus's wide body program for the A370 to still underperform the 787. I really don't think Airbus is that incompetent. If t
96 CX747 : Congratulations to both Boeing and Singapore. The 787 continues to conquer its intended market with amazing results.
97 DeltaDC9 : That's the thing, their ENGINEERS are totally competent, management...thats another story. If management tells them to put the engines on backwards,
98 Post contains images Stitch : You do when you go to the car dealership if you really want the hottest car in the market and supply is limited. That being said, I do not believe SQ
99 RedFlyer : LOI's are in themselves typically binding. SQ cannot unilaterally just change their minds unless Boeing doesn't do something it should per the LOI le
100 Katekebo : I think this is exactly what they will do - a low-cost warmed-up A330 that they will try to "push" with customers via extremely competitive pricing,
101 PlaneHunter : Not surprising, considering the numerous A350 variations and repeated delays of the A380. But they probably got a good deal after delaying the order
102 Texfly101 : I'm going to stay out of the A350/370 vs 787 and the A380 vs 747-8 fray and instead respond to this post. I couldn't agree more with it. While I work
103 ScottB : Well, the timing of this announcement is indeed interesting, but I suspect, as PolymerPlane stated, that the order had been decided by SIA's board co
104 Post contains links Keesje : Yesterday I suggested a 787-9 / A370 mix could be the right mix for many airlines. http://www.airliners.net/discussions...ion/read.main/2822072/6/#ID2
105 Post contains images Solnabo : Kudos to Boeing and the 20+ 787 order from SIA. Micke//SWE
106 Lumberton : EK could very well opt for this IMO.
107 Kaneporta1 : I heard rumors that SQ were looking for around 80 airplanes. This means that there is still hope for the A350. (NOT A370) Now that this is out of the
108 Katekebo : Do you think Emirates will risk again to be the launch customer for a new Airbus airplane after the A380 fiasco?
109 Post contains images Manni : Indeed the commitment and the options total 40 aircraft, which is only half the amount of aircraft that were rumoured to be ordered. If SIA did indee
110 B2707SST : I agree that it is very unlikely that SQ timed this announcement specifically to embarass Airbus, but to call this order anything but a major strateg
111 Stitch : I also agree that EK could easily take 787s in the first half of the 2010s and A370s in the latter half. What I am a bit concerned about, however, is
112 Columba : Maybe the same reason why LH did not order it, I have heard they concidered it too heavy.
113 Post contains images Slider : Read as: "Oh shit! I better get my resume updated."
114 PolymerPlane : What???! Are you smoking something? First, SQ just knew the delay yesterday. Second, SQ might not be in the market for new VLA, expecting Airbus is n
115 Kaneporta1 : Just to clarify this, the 80 planes were all going to be in the 250-300 seat category. We've got 40 so far, and it seems like these will be used for m
116 Atmx2000 : The slot availability issue may mean otherwise. I know airlines like EK and SQ fancy themselves tough negotiators, but that only works well when ther
117 Ken777 : Another interesting issue is how much pressure the SQ order places on other airlines looking at the 787. There is another 20 production slots (at a mi
118 Katekebo : I wonder which airline will now take the risk of being a launch customer for the all-new A370 after the A380 experience/fiasco?
119 Columba : Well the newly proposed A370 would be larger than the 787-9 so the aircraft family settled above the 787-9 in SQ could still be going to Airbus.
120 Post contains images RedFlyer : Manni, I've been reading your posts for some time and while it's obvious Airbus can do no wrong in your eyes, I had to laugh at this. EADS' shares ar
121 CRJ900 : Do they really need 16,000 kms range to fly to India?? Are they flying a U-turn to the Antarctica on the way to DEL? Why not settle for the 787-3?
122 Post contains images Manni : If you cared to reread my post you wouldn't have needed to post your rant (did you read the.. 'I'm not going with this belief, but just for the sake
123 Spartanmjf : Congratulations to Boeing on the anticipated order. If one reads the Boeing anouncement, it is clear that it is a statement - probably in response to
124 Stitch : Same reason they didn't settle for the 772A and instead bought only 772ERs - the ability to use the plane on any mission profile they desire. A 787-8
125 Post contains images Jacobin777 : really? what makes you say that? has SQ said anything about the fact they will not purchase the -200LR or 747-8? they ordered 20 787's with options f
126 Brendows : You have to remember that the 783 (with Boeings OEW) can fly a full payload only 1000nm! In other words, it isn't a very flexible aircraft. The 789 c
127 BlueSky1976 : A380 is not a fiasco yet. The next 12 - 18 months will determine whether it will be a failure or not. If it performs as expected with the airlines, t
128 Post contains images RobK : An interesting thread! The way things are going I can see QR and EK also going Boeing. If that happens, what will happen to the A3?0 then as all the m
129 QXFLYINGCOUG : GO BOEING! I just saw this on KOMO 4 News and then I had to check the forums to see if it was true! Too bad for airbus that they're having such a bad
130 Post contains images 787engineer : This has been discussed before, but you seem to be oblivious to other people's comments. The -8 is not too small, it has racked up 259 orders compare
131 Post contains images BoeingFever777 : LMAO... good one! We all know you are on the Whale Jet wagon but come on you really believe what you wrote?
132 Katekebo : Correct. The problem for the A350/370 is that it need orders NOW to justify a full-blown program launch. Given the issues with A380 delivery, I think
133 Post contains images 787engineer : Wow. . . where do I start? EK will likely get some 787s if the recent past is any indication. I'm still not too sure about QR, their decision will de
134 Post contains images Glideslope : I actually don't think this is good news. IMO, there is a real possibility there will not be an Airbus in 5-7 years. Not good for the industry.
135 Stitch : Do you honestly believe this, or are you trying to just tweak the Airbus supporters? And if you do believe this, I'd like to know why you feel this w
136 Post contains images PlaneHunter : And it looks like a certainty you don't know what you're talking about...we're not talking about an underfinanced LCC venture but a multi-nation, mul
137 NYC777 : There will be an Airbus but in 5-7 years the managmenet structure might not look familiar. I think if Airbus really wants to compete for efficiently w
138 Post contains images BoomBoom : Compared to what? [Edited 2006-06-14 22:51:05]
139 Hb88 : Actually, I'm surprised as this is quite a small order. It doesn't look like a real slap in the face for Airbus, nor a resounding endorsement for Boei
140 Stitch : I'm not, provided they quickly exercise those 20 options once the 787-10 becomes available for sale.
141 StuckInCA : This is what I've been thinking all day. I really am not familiar enough with their operation to have a good guess, but this doesn't seem like the en
142 Incitatus : Whatever pressure Boeing is under is gentle compared to the pressure Airbus is under right now. Airbus has cranked many good products and sometimes b
143 RJ777 : Why no Image? I wonder if SQ is going to unveil a new color scheme on the first 787?
144 N484ER : 20 orders, plus the option for an additional 20... if those 20 are exercised... Those 20 firm or even possible 40 787's is a pretty descent amount.
145 Atmx2000 : This has been discussed before, but you seem to be oblivious to other people's comments. The -8 is not too small, it has racked up 259 orders compare
146 Timboflier215 : Well, if previous quotes are correct and SIA brought the announcement forward, perhaps there hasn't been time yet to construct a decent enough image?
147 11Bravo : I think that's exactly what will happen. SQ hadn't made their announcement yet because they want the B787-10 as well and it wasn't ready to launch ye
148 RedFlyer : It's a European company created as a matter of public policy in order to salvage and then advance the Continent's aviation sector. I would say they c
149 Mptpa : Call is Quadfecta, because AC was a really prime one!! Call Pentfecta when EK signs on, and Call Sexfecta when QR gets on board dumping A350 LOI!! Th
150 Kaneporta1 : Who said anything about mixing fleets, they'll just dump the 787s like they did with their 343s. Seriously now, even if they never intend on buying a
151 F14ATomcat : The problem with the A380 is that with the large use of composites introduced with the 787 now makes the A380 structural material design outdated tec
152 Tigerotor77W : Congrats to both parties! Out of curiosity, is the ULR RFP still ongoing?
153 787engineer : Slaughtered? How so? I don't think placing the "proposed" A370 between Y2 and Y3 would make it any more or less likely to get "slaughtered". In betwe
154 F14ATomcat : The point is this..... There are optimal designs (payload and range) that are focused around sweet spots in the potential demand and that is where yo
155 Klkla : You hit it right on the head. The A380 simply took too long to get to market. Now the game as already changed and left it behind. By this time it sho
156 Texfly101 : None of these airlines make emotional decisions based on manufacturers announcements to the public. These airlines know the facts a long time before
157 JayinKitsap : Some things need to be considered: When was the real competition for SQ happening - back in March when the 350 still looked like a contender with a 3:
158 Cactus739 : And how many exactly were the armchair experts of a.net expecting them to order? 200? 300?
159 Dalecary : I tend to think SQ will configure their -9s at 9-abreast. Their chosen route structure looks like 5-7 hr sectors(M/E, Indian subcontinent, Northern As
160 BNE : When I heard about the 787-9 from SQ I thought that the planes would be used on there emerging markets in Asia or to add in extra frequency.
161 Lokey123 : I am surprised that i have not heard anyone here on here remark about SIA still considering the A350. Wonder what will become of it.
162 Hb88 : For sure it's decent, but not quite what I was expecting knowing a little about SQ. It might be a controversial thing to say on a.net, but, if I was
163 NYC777 : Not if SQ has lost trust and faith in Airbus regarding their products and promises as it seems to be the case here.
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