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User currently offlineContinentalGuy From United States of America, joined May 2006, 90 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4500 times:

What is the safest airline in terms of least crashes and accidents and incedents?

48 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

I recall reading somewhere once that Qantas was statistically the safest airline in the world.

Anybody got any information to back that up or disprove?

Thanks



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 1):
I recall reading somewhere once that Qantas was statistically the safest airline in the world.

Well, according to The Rainman, it is. However, Southwest has an even better safety record.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9503 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

I believe it is now Qantas as they are the largest airline never to have a fatal accident. In terms of number of passengers carried, it use to be Southwest up until last year when there was a fatality on the ground after one of their 737s overan the runway at MDW in a snowstorm and killed a person in a car.


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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4452 times:

No doubt you will all know this site. Here is a list of airlines in the US with no fatalities since 1970.

http://www.airsafe.com/events/nofatals.htm



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User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4452 times:

To the best of my recollection, WN has not had a flight-related passenger or crew fatality. The tragedy at MDW resulted in a bystander's death, and if I am not mistaken, I think I recall an incident in which a passenger became confused and stepped out of an open door at the rear of an aircraft parked at a gate, falling to their death.

On the other hand, "Qantas, definitely Qantas" coming from Dustin Hoffman is a great line.



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4380 times:

QANTAS. Southwest, even with their accident in Chicago last December is still rated as very safe.


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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4317 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):
I believe it is now Qantas as they are the largest airline never to have a fatal accident. In terms of number of passengers carried, it use to be Southwest up until last year when there was a fatality on the ground after one of their 737s overan the runway at MDW in a snowstorm and killed a person in a car.

The FAA/NTSB only classes passanger fatalities. So therefore I still believe it is WN.

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviation/Paxfatal.htm



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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4297 times:

A quick Goggle will show you that Qantas has had a number of fatal accidients - mostly in the propeller age. Recent non-fatal events include a B747-300 gear collapse in Rome and a B747-400 runway overrun in BKK (onto the Golf course).

It's an urban myth.


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4223 times:

BWIA has never had a fatal accident and they have been in commerical service for almost 60 years.

User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4165 times:

Quoting ContinentalGuy (Thread starter):
What is the safest airline in terms of least crashes and accidents and incedents?

ElAl


User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2104 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4128 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 9):
BWIA has never had a fatal accident and they have been in commerical service for almost 60 years.

I had not heard of that airline before, so I looked them up and they seem to have a nice fleet (A340s, B737NGs, Q400s) and an admirable safety record. Then there is the service.. Big grin

http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/bwia.htm

Comments like:

«I travelled recently Heathrow to Georgetown (Guyana) via Barbados on the way out and Trinidad on the way back. You read the other posts on here and you think "BWIA can't be that bad, can they?" But then you fly them and they are worse.»

My my, they make Iberia look like Singapore Airlines in terms of service!  hyper 

(I just thought the descriptions were entertaining, I've not flown this airline and I don't want to prejudge them on someone else's experience. Many times it is the people who are very unhappy with the service that take the time to complain on websites *or* people who like to whine)

cheers

Asturias



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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4128 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 10):
ElAl

No doubt that ELAL is the safest airline in the world !
Alex!!!



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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4071 times:

jetBlue has had nothing at all. One event that maybe something could have happened but then that is it. Southwest has had more events where deaths could have occured but no fatalities so them too.

B6jfk airplane 



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4061 times:

Quoting ContinentalGuy (Thread starter):
Safest Airline?

IMO, no such thing. As long as the F.A.A. hasnt yanked anyone's 121/135 operating certificate, they're fine.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):
In terms of number of passengers carried, it use to be Southwest up until last year when there was a fatality on the ground after one of their 737s overan the runway at MDW in a snowstorm and killed a person in a car.

That doesn't really count because that individual wasn't 'inflight'.

Quoting Spartanmjf (Reply 5):
The tragedy at MDW resulted in a bystander's death, and if I am not mistaken, I think I recall an incident in which a passenger became confused and stepped out of an open door at the rear of an aircraft parked at a gate, falling to their death.

Not an 'inflight' fatality, so it doesn't count.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3880 times:

I've Always heard Qantas.
Stats are not always Fair though.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 14):
IMO, no such thing. As long as the F.A.A. hasnt yanked anyone's 121/135 operating certificate, they're fine.

Except some institutional failures in pilot procedures and sloppy maintenance don't become aparant until after the crash...

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 13):
Southwest has had more events where deaths could have occured but no fatalities so them too.

The reason WN is considered the "safest" airline is the (1) sheer volume of passengers they carry, (2) number of flights they opperate, and (3) the lenght of time they have been doing this.

WN does an incredible number of shorthaul flights (the average flight is about 100 minutes) which means lots of take-offs and landings. That is considered the "riskiest" part of flying with the most variables. For example, a 737 flying 1,000 successful flights of one hour demonstrates greater safety than a 747 flying 200 flights of five hours despite the equal number of flight hours.


User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3836 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 10):
ElAl

Doubt that...

3 November 1977; El Al 747; over Belgrade, Yugoslavia: One passenger died after a decompression event.

4 October 1992; El AL 747-200; Amsterdam, Netherlands: Shortly after departing Amsterdam on a flight to Tel Aviv, the number three engine and pylon separated from the wing and collided with the number four engine. This collision also caused the number four engine and pylon to separate. Part of the leading edge of the right wing was damaged, and several other aircraft systems were affected. During an emergency air turnback to Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport, the crew experienced problems controlling the aircraft. The crew lost control of the aircraft shortly before landing, and the aircraft crashed into an apartment building. All three crew members and one other aircraft occupant were killed, as were 43 people on the ground.



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 17):
Doubt that...

In any case I denominate such situations as "accidents" and every single airline in this world is exposed to that at anytime.

I still believe that ElAl is the safest.


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

This topic comes up at least every two months and there are normally the same replies, all incorrectly pointing to QF, WN or another airline being the safest. In truth, there is no such thing as the “safest” airline – accidents can happen at any time to any airline. SQ had an excellent safety record but try telling that to the passengers who boarded Flight SQ006 SIN-LAX via Taipei on 31 October 2000.

It is pointless to base the answer on statistics. As Benjamin Disraeli (or Mark Twain) once said, “There are three kinds of lies: lies, dammed lies and statistics”. Statistics can be interpreted in many ways to conceal the truth. For example, in terms of miles travelled, flying is statistically the safest mode of transport but how many plane trips are taken daily compared with the number of car trips?

Most airlines operate to high safety standards but doubtless the standards of an airline under the jurisdiction of the US FAA or UK CAA must be higher than the standards of an airline under the jurisdiction of some corrupt African country. Some people might argue that even within the same country, some airlines are safer than others – e.g. WN is safer than AA – but there is no hard evidence other than statistics to support this.

If you went to a Lloyd’s broker and took out trip insurance, chances are that the premium would be the same no matter which airline you are flying with. They ask where you will be travelling to, but I have never known them asking about which airline you are flying with. Chances are that they associate the risk of an accident on most airlines as being the same; unless of course the airline is black listed and therefore special insurance cover would be required. However, I am sure that if they were asked specifically for a premium quote for a flight with Cubana, this would be higher than a quote for travelling with an airline like AA, BA, UA or LH.



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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

Qantas hasn't had any big fatalities on its flights but it has had some incidents with aircraft including the one in BKK which cost the airline nearly $300 million to get that aircraft back in the air

User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 20):
Statistics can be interpreted in many ways to conceal the truth.

For example when AF wrote off 8% of the Concorde fleet in a single day. It went from being the safest aircraft type to least safe.


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3555 times:
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Quoting ANother (Reply 8):
A quick Goggle will show you that Qantas has had a number of fatal accidients - mostly in the propeller age.

True. The "Qantas has had no fatal accidents" only applies to jet aircraft.

The oldest airline that has not had a fatal accident is Hawaiian. Hawaiian started flying in 1929.


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3466 times:

Quoting ANother (Reply 21):
For example when AF wrote off 8% of the Concorde fleet in a single day. It went from being the safest aircraft type to least safe.

You are talking about the incident in 2000? Wasn't it caused by debris on the runway which resulted in the Concorde having problems after takeoff and not a direct problem with the aircraft??


User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

If you look into every airline they all have their own share of incidends whether or not they have fatalities on board ..In the end it comes down to how a airline is run now .. A airline could have had the best track record in the past does not mean that its safe now !!! Also if you look at it from the other perspective a airline has a crash ie AF in Toronto you can not tell me that makes AF unsafe or less safe than it was the day prior to that accident!!!

Now if you look at some of the African airlines you would have to be a bit more choosy which airline you travelled on .But in general most major and minor airlines are safe when they have an organisation like the FAA in America CAA in NZ regulating the safety standards of those countries ...

Personally i dont like basing safety on historical events ..I think looking at the last 10 years is better and gives you a better vision on the safety standards of a airline right now .. Just because in 1970 a airline was the safest means only that it was safe then ..



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25 BNG777 : Definitely Qantas, Air Pacific and all other airlines in the South Pacific!
26 EI747SYDNEY : If we are talking bout the jet age I would say Aer Lingus Rob
27 Antskip : Yeh. I remember in the '70's that NZ used to brag constantly about its almost faultless safety record, as though that record should make one feel saf
28 Vhqpa : I believe there was a statistical list done about 6 or 7 years ago IIRC #1 safest was Air Canada #2 safest was Ansett Australia (ceased operations in
29 Viasa : What's about Finnair?
30 Usair320 : TACA320 ELAL had a severe accident some time ago with a 747-200F that wiped out a Neiborhood outside AMS
31 EMBQA : No way. Southwest is a kid compaired to Qantas. Herb Kelleher was not even born when Qantas started flying....!! PLEASE... what is B6..?? 4 years old
32 AirframeAS : THEN...the certificate will get yanked...depending on how serious the issue(s) were or nelect on the 121/135's part....
33 Yirmiyahu : LY no doubt!
34 Post contains links VV701 : Well it is obvious really. According to CBS it is El Al: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/15/60II/main324476.shtml or could it be Air Canada: ht
35 RoseFlyer : Yes but that didn't stop a plane full of people from dying in the Florida Everglades because Valujet was unsafe. There are some airlines that are bet
36 TACAA320 : " target=_blank>http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...shtml It´s obvious!
37 Post contains links TACAA320 : http://www.geocities.com/khlim777_my/ashowsafe1.htm
38 Post contains images Longhornmaniac : WHAT?!?!?!?! Aeroflot didn't make the list?!?!?! Just kidding. Cheers, Cameron
39 Yirmiyahu : I also forgot to add B6!
40 GentFromAlaska : That I'm aware, F9 has had none. AS, two in the last thirty four years.
41 Post contains images Jm017 : everytime this question comes up, all the QUANTAS folks come out of the woodworks. qUantas has had accidents in the past. They are ONE of the safest a
42 VV701 : " target=_blank>http://www.geocites.com/khlim777_my/...1.htm Well at least two of us agree!
43 Tsaord : I always thought it was Singapore Airlines.
44 AvConsultant : " target=_blank>http://www.airsafe.com/events/nofata...s.htm This website was one of many cited in the government argument in wanting to police inform
45 Post contains links Aussie747 : Not with this record it doesn't http://www.airsafe.com/events/airlines/sing.htm
46 SCCutler : These threads are such fun! Aviation Safety, as defined by a fictitious character suffering from a mental deficiency. Really. QANTAS have had fataliti
47 AvConsultant : It's very entertaining
48 TACAA320 : Nevertheless, I don't change my mind about LY.
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