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More UA Pilots Saying 'no' To Channel 9?  
User currently offlineFiveMileFinal From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 232 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11964 times:

Just wondered if anyone else had noticed this, or if it's simply the luck of the draw.

I've noticed now that on more and more United flights, Channel 9 is not automatically turned on like it used to be. Of course, I always ask anyway and the flight attendants are quite nice about checking, but lately, it appears that either the request doesn't get through or the captain outright declines to turn it on. This was the case in yesterday's afternoon flight from London to San Francisco. (While it was a bit disconcerting to be denied, being able to fly home in J was pretty nice. More on that in the trip reports  Smile )

I realize that pilots are under no requirement to allow pax to listen to ATC but it would seem to me that this is one of the perks of flying United (believe me, it's one of the reasons I do) - red carpet clubs and lie-nearly-flat beds are really nice, but to be able to know what's going on around you while in flight is really quite cool when it gets right down to it.

Thoughts on this...?


You goin'? We fly you dere! You been? We done already flew up in dere!
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User currently offlineGreenArc From United States of America, joined May 2000, 80 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11878 times:

I almost always turn it in (767/757 fleet). I only occasionally find it off from the last captain. On int'l flights I generally turn it off once in oceanic airspace since there is nothing much to listen to. Sometimes I forget to turn it back on once back in VHF contact (oops).

There is also another consideration: If someone is occupying the cockpit jumpseat, sometimes I leave it off. Why? Because the jumpseater might tune his audio panel (which controls the signal to channel 9) to a communication that shouldn't be heard in the cabin, such as cockpit to ground crew, company communications, or FA interphone conversations. I never turn channel 9 on if the FAA is in the jumpseat. If a pilot is hitching a ride, I'll just ask him to leave it tuned to ATC only.

That being said, some pilots are concerned about people misinterpreting what is said. A gentleman once swore we took off from ORD without clearance. I had omitted to announce that we were using a radio flight number and not our "real" flight number. Oh well.

Any "abnormal" situations and channel 9 goes off ASAP.

GreenArc


User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11730 times:

In these times I'm surprised UA has it on at all. I also have always enjoyed listening to ATC and remember my first time back in the late 70's on a DC-8 on UAL.

Some may remember when AA had the cockpit camera's on the DC-10's and we got a great view of the t/o..that is until one day when there was an aborted t/o and some guy sued AA for emotional distress for having seen the cockpit cam catch it all. Crandall ordered them turned -off to avoid more copy-cat suits.

so, back to UA, I hope they keep them, but I would bet some Axx will get upset about an "abrupt" command by ATC at ORD or LGA or somewhere congested and sue UA also. Pity, some people almost look for an opportunity to call their attorney.


User currently offlineCrjflyer35 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 668 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11640 times:

Agreed. Channel 9 is actually one of the reasons I've remained as loyal to UA as I have. All but twice I've been able to listen to good 'ol channel 9. I have a fond memory of sitting in the runup area by Rwy 26L at GRR in a 735. We had been groundstopped due to weather and traffic in ORD. Listening to channel 9, I overheard a quite amusing conversation between the flight crew and Grand Rapids Tower, to which I started audibly laughing before I could catch myself, needless to say I received more than a few strange glances from my seatmates.
It's always nice to be able to tell you fellow pax why you're doing circles over the Janesville VOR when they start to get angry too.
On my last flight on UA was the 2nd time I didn't get any audio. I asked the FA as we were taxiing out, who promptly went up and asked and said it should be working. On arrival to ICN (form NRT) I stopped by the flight deck and asked the Captain, who said it was an honest mistake and apologized...oh well. I'm looking forward to a full day of it in July..ICN-SFO-ORD-GRR!

BTW, GreenArc, you said you drive the 757/767, any chance you'll be running a 757 from SFO to ORD on July 25th? It'd be only my 2nd A.net encounter.



Ok, wait for the RJ to pass, cleared to push tail south Mike, and you're cleared to spin #2 in the push.
User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11539 times:

I've flown 6 segments on UA in the last two weeks, and Channel 9 was on for all of them (with the Captain announcing it each time -- "if you want to follow along with our aircraft, you can listen on Channel 9. We are callsign United #XXX.")

Maybe I've been lucky, but I actually think the pilots have turned it on MORE recently. When it comes to weather delays (like we had coming into ORD), I think it takes some of the heat off the flight crew when the plane is delayed, as passengers can hear for themselves that ATC is telling them to hold.

IMO, Channel 9 is the best IFE in the sky.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11437 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 4):
Maybe I've been lucky, but I actually think the pilots have turned it on MORE recently. When it comes to weather delays (like we had coming into ORD), I think it takes some of the heat off the flight crew when the plane is delayed, as passengers can hear for themselves that ATC is telling them to hold.

This has been my experience as well. I find it to be on more than off.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26029 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11297 times:

With the availability of XM satellite radio now on United, there has been a push to air more programing in lieu of having Ch9 on.


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User currently offlineGDSer From Uruguay, joined Oct 2004, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11275 times:

I've always had very good luck with Channel 9 on UA. I certainly do appreciate each and every time it's on. Wonder how many people besides aviation enthusiasts listen to it.

User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11250 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 6):
With the availability of XM satellite radio now on United, there has been a push to air more programing in lieu of having Ch9 on.

That would be a major shame. I hardly ever listen to the canned audio tracks on airliners as I have thousands of the songs I like on my laptop and iPod, but Channel 9 stands out as unique in-flight entertainment and information.



USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineGrude1087 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11194 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 4):
Channel 9 is actually one of the reasons I've remained as loyal to UA as I have.

Me too. Sometimes when we're going through bad weather or heavy traffic, it's reassuring to hear "You'll be out of the bumps in 100 miles". A couple of years ago on an SFO-JFK flight, there was a huge weather front from Texas to Toronto, with only a 100 mile gap opening somewhere over Ohio. It was absolutely amazing to listen to the precision cooperation between ATC and ALL the many aircraft who wanted to squeeze through that gap. I could even see a few other aircraft passing us at various altitudes in the opposite directions. I stopped by the cockpit to compliment the captain on some superb flying through there.

I'll be very dissapointed if this gets discontinued.


User currently offlineHawaijahaz From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11144 times:

I just flew SFO - NRT - SIN and it was on all sectors. I love Ch 9 and there is no better entertainment unless you are flying over the pacific and there is nothing to listen to.

User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2520 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11102 times:

Quoting Crjflyer35 (Reply 3):
Agreed. Channel 9 is actually one of the reasons I've remained as loyal to UA as I have.

Ditto. I've only been on a couple of flights where it hasn't been on and one of those was due in part to a problem with the entire IFE package. The FOs on my last two segments (HNL-NRT-ICN) highlighted channel 9 prior to departure.

On a related note, the new XM radio programming is great...more on that in my first trip report (should be next week).


777fan



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11036 times:

Quoting Crjflyer35 (Reply 3):
you said you drive the 757/767

Drive?!  confused  I'm sure you meant to say 'fly'.

Drive = land
Fly = air  thumbsup 



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User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11012 times:

When ever I have be in a UA flight, channel 9 has been on. I love listening to it. It makes the flight go faster knowing where we are....

Chuck


User currently offlineCptSpeaking From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10951 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 12):
Drive?! confused I'm sure you meant to say 'fly'.

Drive = land
Fly = air

Pilot lingo...we say stupid stuff like that all the time

One of my good friends is a former F-15 instructor and he commonly refers to his buddies as fellow "Eagle drivers"...it's actually quite common to hear that phrase in aviation

Your CptSpeaking  wave 



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User currently offlineFiveMileFinal From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10860 times:

Quoting GreenArc (Reply 1):
I almost always turn it in (767/757 fleet). I only occasionally find it off from the last captain. On int'l flights I generally turn it off once in oceanic airspace since there is nothing much to listen to.

Hi GreenArc,

Thanks for your comments on this...they're greatly appreciated.

I mainly listen during ground taxi, T/O and initial climb, final descent and landing, and if/when we hit a particularly bad patch of turbulence. I've gotten accustomed to checking/asking as part of the first things I do when I step on a United plane, particularly for the long haul flights like I have been doing (three SFO-LHR round trips so far, with at least 2 more scheduled this year). I agree with many here that it's better than any IFE you could ever have (which is a big reason why I specifically don't fly the competing BA or VS product...)

Quoting Crjflyer35 (Reply 3):
BTW, GreenArc, you said you drive the 757/767, any chance you'll be running a 757 from SFO to ORD on July 25th? It'd be only my 2nd A.net encounter.

I was actually sitting here wondering if there were any a.nutters on my flight yesterday.  Smile



You goin'? We fly you dere! You been? We done already flew up in dere!
User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2594 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10722 times:

Hi GreenArc - I'll be flying SEA/ORD on Sunday on a 757. Any chance you'll be the pilot?

User currently offlineNWOrientDC10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1404 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10645 times:
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Quoting TAN FLYR (Reply 2):
Some may remember when AA had the cockpit camera's on the DC-10's and we got a great view of the t/o..that is until one day when there was an aborted t/o and some guy sued AA for emotional distress for having seen the cockpit cam catch it all. Crandall ordered them turned -off to avoid more copy-cat suits.

Maybe it's only a matter of time before the same thimg happens with UA and channel nine (lawsuit)  Sad

Too bad some individuals spoil things for everyone  Sad

Russell



Things aren't always as they seem
User currently offlineCrjflyer35 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 668 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10341 times:

Quoting CptSpeaking (Reply 14):
Pilot lingo...we say stupid stuff like that all the time

 checkmark  I'm glad someone get's me  wink 



Ok, wait for the RJ to pass, cleared to push tail south Mike, and you're cleared to spin #2 in the push.
User currently offlineKALB From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 573 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8284 times:

Channel 9 is the primary reason I enjoy flying UA when it serves my destination out of ALB (mostly RJ's now with some 735 mainline). I wish other airlines would provide ATC. Several years ago going BWI-DEN on a UA 757 I learned about the DANDY-2 Arrival into DEN by listening to channel 9.

User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6089 times:

I'm looking forward to listening to Channel 9 when I fly a UA PS 757 on LAX-JFK this saturday...

I'll have little other choice after a while- my iPod has a bad habit of refusing to play music after about 2 hours, even if I have substantial battery life left. It just resets itself continuously, and does so until I reconnect it to power.

It's just a LITTLE annoying, but at least Channel 9 will be there this time...



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5709 times:

Quoting TAN FLYR (Reply 2):
Some may remember when AA had the cockpit camera's on the DC-10's and we got a great view of the t/o..that is until one day when there was an aborted t/o and some guy sued AA for emotional distress for having seen the cockpit cam catch it all. Crandall ordered them turned -off to avoid more copy-cat suits.

Actually, AA got rid of the cockpit camera on the DC-10s after Flight 191 crashed after takeoff from ORD. IIRC, the families of the victims did include the matter of emotional distress while watching the pilots try to keep the plane airborne. I don't remember if the settlements and judgments included compensation for emotional distress suffered by the passengers, but AA wasn't about to give passengers any chance to push that issue in future court cases.

The reason that AA got rid of ATC transmissions was the advent of both the cell phone and the in-flight phone system. People were calling loved ones or the media because of misunderstanding as to what was happening on their flight or what they thought was going on with other airplanes.


User currently offlineDFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

All I have to say is why don't more airlines do something similar? You would think that other airlines would have decided to copycat the unique concept.

Is it true that Japan airlines has aircraft nose cameras so you can get a forward view of outside? What other cameras do they have and can you watch them even during take off and landing?


User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5230 times:

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 22):
Is it true that Japan airlines has aircraft nose cameras so you can get a forward view of outside? What other cameras do they have and can you watch them even during take off and landing?

Air France does, at least on the 332. It plays continously from the moment you get on the aircraft, at least in my experience. Very amazing to see the takeoff and landing


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5170 times:

With regards to Channel 9, my recent experience on UA on a 2 segment trip DEN-ORD-PHL (First UA flights for me since 2000) was as follows...

DEN-ORD (op by 747-400)...asked f/a at door if he knew whether Channel 9 was available or not for this flight...got a very unconvincing "yes" as a response...went back to my seat and flagged down another f/a and tried again...got a "I'm not sure, but I'll check and get back to you" answer...never heard back from that f/a, but Channel 9 was turned on as we climbed through about FL240 or so...

ORD-PHL (op by 737-300)...again asked f/a at door, who said "I don't know" then poked in the cockpit and asked the captain who gave a yes answer...Channel 9 was available for the entire trip and proved to be fascinating as our flight was heavily delayed by weather both before takeoff and while enroute (stuck in holds along the way)...made for interesting listening...

Greg



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25 TAN FLYR : Could be, but I thought it was after the aborted DFW incident. I am pretty sure I recall the cameras for a few years after 191. Besides since there w
26 Post contains images Planespotting : I have the absolute worst luck getting to hear Channel 9. On my last two UA legs (ORD-LAX-ORD 744) it was not on during either flight. Come on guys, t
27 DC10rules : I remember reading a UA flight 232 survivors book (Miracle in the Cornfield by Joe Trombello) and according to him a passenger who was listening to c
28 Kgin11 : When was the AA DFW incident that supposedly was the benchmark for turning off the cockpit cam on the DC-10? I remember flying out of HNL on an AA DC1
29 Crjflyer35 : You're extremely correct there P.S, never hurts to ask though, am I right? Worst thing I could hear would be no....
30 IAirAllie : I love channel 9. My best channel 9 experience was flying into DEN and you could the Virgin plane that did the trip around the world was passing us by
31 Kdtwflyer : Like everything else good things disappear with time. Just my negative 2 cents.
32 A342 : Unbelievable ! Why not just close your eyes or look somewhere else if you don't want to watch it ?
33 Wjcandee : Maybe. Or maybe this is a myth. Or just bad lawyer advice. Most white-knuckle fliers say that they think they are EVER so safe in their little cars b
34 ER757 : I am well aware of that, but what's the harm of asking? You know it just COULD happen......
35 777fan : One of the reasons I've come to love CH9. Unfortunately for me, I'm about to board an ICN-HNL flight on (gulp) Korean (sc)Air! No CH9 on what looks t
36 FiveMileFinal : I'll have to say, being able to listen in on Channel 9 has helped me deal with my in-flight white-knuckle issues a lot. I used to freak out at the sl
37 Post contains images 777ER : On my first two UA flights two weeks ago from LAX-ORD (red-eye) and ORD-DTW, there was no Channel 9 on ORD-DTW, but on LAX-ORD, channel 9 was only one
38 Halls120 : I flew TPA-IAD yesterday, and CH 9 was on - and a real treat. We had lightning strikes, departures switched from north to south while taxiing to the
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