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Lufthansa PTV In Eco Class  
User currently offlineSKA380 From Norway, joined Jun 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5351 times:

Good evening.

I just came back from a 2 week job for Lufthansa, installing Business class in the 2 A300's that will be used to middle east. (quite interesting job indeed.)
I got talking to the project engineer for that project, and i asked him if he knew if/when Lufthansa was planning to finally install PTV in Economy class. He then told me that they actually just recently had decided to get PTV in all of their long haul jets. Has anyone else heard of this? Very good news indeed if correct.
He also told me that they had been waiting to put on-demand systems in their Business/first class, because they wanted to wait until there were no more "baby deceases" on the system. But it seems to be more stable now, so they are considering upgrading this also.

Leif

[Edited 2006-06-14 20:38:20]

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User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5342 times:

Quoting SKA380 (Thread starter):
just recently had decided to get IFE in all of their long haul jets.

You mean PTVs, right? Every LH's long-haul plane has in-flight entertainment in Y  Wink


User currently offlineSKA380 From Norway, joined Jun 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5325 times:

Yeah, indeed IFE is a bit general term. Let me edit my post to be more specific..

Leif

[Edited 2006-06-14 20:38:59]

User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5263 times:

So, what does C look like on these A300s?


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User currently offlineLH492 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 208 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

Quoting SKA380 (Thread starter):
He then told me that they actually just recently had decided to get PTV in all of their long haul jets. Has anyone else heard of this? Very good news indeed if correct.

I phoned Lufthansa just three weeks ago and they told me that they consider installing PTV´s but that a final decision is yet to come.
It looks like the moment has finally arrived (hopefully) and maybe LH is becoming more enjoyable for y-class passengers on long haul flights.
I am curious about the new system, how many movie selections will there be, does it take as much time to install them as refitting their long haul planes with the new C-class (forever) or could they speed up that progress?



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User currently offlineDj1986 From Luxembourg, joined Apr 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5090 times:

Quoting LH492 (Reply 4):
I am curious about the new system, how many movie selections will there be, does it take as much time to install them as refitting their long haul planes with the new C-class (forever) or could they speed up that progress?

Why would they want to install PTV's in Y faster than a new C Class. A new C Class could bring more money but Economy Class isn't known for that.



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User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5076 times:

AFAIK they are somewhat tight with longhaulers, so they can't just pick them from the sky and do the conversion. Especially with a totally new cabin that takes a bit and they probably do it during one of the mx breaks...

I am pretty sure that installing the PTV will take a while too, unless they included some prep work for that in the C conversion (wires, ...). Also, many Y cabins have the old seats which have to be remodelled or swapped, the newer planes (346, 333 I think and obviously the 380) have holes in the seatbacks, so there might be some prep done already.

The PTV rumor has been around for long but I thought it was a fact that with the EIS of the 380 at LH the PTV in cattle class would come too...

My guess is that they include some prep work like wiring and stuff in the C conversion, so they more or less add the black box and the PTV...



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User currently offlineShane From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5026 times:

Quoting Dj1986 (Reply 5):
Why would they want to install PTV's in Y faster than a new C Class. A new C Class could bring more money but Economy Class isn't known for that.

I'd say LH is competitive in the front of the bus, but in the back, the lack of PTVs is reason enough for those who have to languish in coach to consider flying somebody else. Those shared LCDs are never in the right place -- either too close or too far...


User currently offlineSKA380 From Norway, joined Jun 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 3):
So, what does C look like on these A300s?

Its the old C-class seats, they have been taken from a A330 if i'm not mistaken.
These A300's are in surprisingly good condition i must add..

Leif


User currently offlineDj1986 From Luxembourg, joined Apr 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4838 times:

Quoting Shane (Reply 7):
I'd say LH is competitive in the front of the bus, but in the back, the lack of PTVs is reason enough for those who have to languish in coach to consider flying somebody else.

I don't think that LH's old C Class seat is competitive with other carriers especially if you compare it to Asian Carriers. But still they are not refitting their aircrafts very fast.



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User currently offlineLH492 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 208 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4787 times:

Quoting Dj1986 (Reply 9):
I don't think that LH's old C Class seat is competitive with other carriers especially if you compare it to Asian Carriers. But still they are not refitting their aircrafts very fast.

That might be, because Lufthansa has no reason to refit their planes fast, since their C-class is doing great, no matter if old or new seats.
If passengers would avoid LH on purpose because they do not offer the right C class product since it is outdated, I am pretty sure, LH would refit those planes a little faster.
That brings up a question in my head, are the planes refitted with new seats only during a D-check or are there other occasions were this is done? If not, it would explain why it takes so long.



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User currently offlineTheSunseeker From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4500 times:

so after a long time you guys can stop bit**ing about Lufthansa Big grin:D:D


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User currently offlineQazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4468 times:

I wish I had a dime for everytime a link was posted about LH installing PTV in Y class.

My moto with LH is: "I'll believe it when I am able to flip my own channels".

In the meantime, say all you want about them - they're still an incredibly well managed airline. Load factors are very high in all their classes. When all the world majors started installing their PTVs in their Y class and LH sat in the background, I was the first to think that it's suicidal. But years after BA, AF, SQ, and the likes, LH is still flying more passengers than most. I guess it's true: "If the price is right, I'll bring a good book".

Cheers!


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