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Finally, Some Pix Of DL"s "refreshed" BizE!  
User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13430 times:

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10267

Looks pretty good IMO, better than I expected. This should suffice for a few years while bigger plans are in the works. The seats in the picture look much better than what is out there right now - much newer and cleaner.

Even though the seat may be slightly outdated, I think the new entertainment systems and food offerings, along with DL's great service, will really enhance the experience for those in Biz E.

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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13404 times:

Still got those horrid narrow little seats though. Sorry but any carrier that thinks 2x2x2 business class seating on a 767 is a "premium" offering has to be kidding. It might work on domestic, but it's very sub-par for transatlantic. QF's old intercontinental 1x2x2 was much better.

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13357 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Thread starter):
Looks pretty good IMO, better than I expected. This should suffice for a few years while bigger plans are in the works. The seats in the picture look much better than what is out there right now - much newer and cleaner.

Even though the seat may be slightly outdated, I think the new entertainment systems and food offerings, along with DL's great service, will really enhance the experience for those in Biz E.

It says that the new BusinessElite will be on 75 aircraft. According to Delta's fleet page, there are 59 767-300ERs. When you add the 777-200ERs, the total goes up to 67. There are 8 remaining aircraft, and I guess that means that 8 (not 5 as previously posted) 767-400ERs will be converted with BusinessElite.



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13314 times:
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Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
but it's very sub-par for transatlantic. QF's old intercontinental 1x2x2 was much better.

I totally agree with your statement. Lets not forget about AC 767's - they also have the 1x2x2 configuration. I had great trips between SYD-CHC-SYD on AC metal, when they operated trans-Tasman flights on QF's behalf a few years ago.


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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3976 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13273 times:

Oh Delta... surely you realise that Y-class is far more needy of updating!

User currently offlineH53Epilot From Israel, joined Mar 2004, 177 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13245 times:

I agree as well. CO will eat their lunch with the 2-1-2 config on their 767s. The seats are a bit wider and much more comfortable.

User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13219 times:

I flew one of these planes earlier this month. What a marked improvement!!!! IFE in biz elite is interactive, on demand digital system. The headrest has the biz elite logo monogrammed in. Would have liked to have seen replaceable linen readrest covers in coach.

Refit schedule I guess is 8 -300's in July, 8 in August, 8 -400's in September and the balance of the -300's by year end.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13201 times:

Quoting H53Epilot (Reply 5):
I agree as well. CO will eat their lunch with the 2-1-2 config on their 767s. The seats are a bit wider and much more comfortable.

No they won't. CO flys tiny little 757's across the Atlantic now for a large percentage of their flights, including major destinations like LGW and AMS.

DL does just fine with the configuration they have - otherwise they would have changed them now while they're doing the refurbishing.

Quoting Vasu (Reply 4):
Oh Delta... surely you realise that Y-class is far more needy of updating!

I agree that Y needs updates - seats with PTVs and adjustable headrests are needed to bring them up to the level of the competition. Hopefully that will be addressed soon enough.


User currently offlineType-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13201 times:

The seats DO look skinny and I would hate to be in the first row with those tiny little tray tables. I would probably have my food rolling off on the floor.

The selection of movies seems to be quite old. Apollo 13? Ancient and long! Broke Back Mountain? Does Delta even know what this movie is about given their past reputation? Why not show Queer as Folk too? King Kong as a first run movie? Please, that was a 2003 release.

If they are going to show these old movies, why not go with some real classics, you know the kind people always like to see, but never have the time?


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13129 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 9):
I agree that Y needs updates - seats with PTVs and adjustable headrests are needed to bring them up to the level of the competition. Hopefully that will be addressed soon enough.

While adjustable headrests are currently not being installed, PTVs will be installed in Y, starting with 100 aircraft (which includes 757s, 737-800s, and domestic 767-300s), and eventually to all aircraft except the MDs and RJs.



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User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13110 times:

Is this a temporary fix until Delta Airlines can invest more money into a more robust International Business Class product? The seats and the screens arent anything special when compared to other airlines in the Trans-Atlantic market. However, in any case, it is an improvement from the current condition of the BIZE product.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13110 times:

Quoting Type-rated (Reply 8):
King Kong as a first run movie? Please, that was a 2003 release.

Try last December......

Quoting Type-rated (Reply 8):
Apollo 13? Ancient and long!

Modern classic.....


User currently offlinePhollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13083 times:

Quoting Exusair (Reply 6):
I flew one of these planes earlier this month. What a marked improvement!!!! IFE in biz elite is interactive, on demand digital system.

Looks like the same basic system that is used on the Song a/c. It is a fairly nice system. Much improved over the in-seat video they currently have on the 772s, and up front in the 763s and 764s. From what it looked like the Song system is a client-server streaming setup. Each of the screens is hooked up to its own computer runing some version of (i386) Red Hat.


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13033 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
Still got those horrid narrow little seats though. Sorry but any carrier that thinks 2x2x2 business class seating on a 767 is a "premium" offering has to be kidding. It might work on domestic, but it's very sub-par for transatlantic.

It depends on the pitch. I much rather have 80 in of pitch on 2x2x2 than 60 in of pitch on 2x1x2. Being able to lie down on a long flight is essential.



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User currently offlineCOfaninBOS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13021 times:

It's an improvement for sure but the seats do appear paper thin. Also, it looks as if there is zero space between the seats from that photo so I can't imagine how tight it must actually be. Talk about bumping elbows...

As for the tiny 757s CO flies, I'd take CO's bizfirst product in a 757 any day over the one pictured above. It's much roomier upfront than most would think. I've flown across the Atlantic 4 times in a 757 and never had a bad experience.


User currently onlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4763 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12995 times:

Quoting Type-rated (Reply 8):
Broke Back Mountain? Does Delta even know what this movie is about given their past reputation? Why not show Queer as Folk too?

What is your problem with showing Broke Back Mountain?

Delta has long supported the gay community and gay rights and is the official airline of most major city's pride festivals, including the largest in the country here in New York City...



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12895 times:

Quoting Type-rated (Reply 8):
The selection of movies seems to be quite old. Apollo 13? Ancient and long! Broke Back Mountain? Does Delta even know what this movie is about given their past reputation? Why not show Queer as Folk too? King Kong as a first run movie? Please, that was a 2003 release.

If they are going to show these old movies, why not go with some real classics, you know the kind people always like to see, but never have the time?

Hmm interesting points except for the fact that Firewall and Pink Panther were just released on DVD in the past couple weeks. Apollo 13 and The Fugitive - sometimes people like to watch "classics" from the last decade. On my last flight with UA I watched "Catch Me If You Can" because all the "new releases" were garbage. If Brokeback Mountain is such a problem, why is there a whole shelf of them that are all checked out at my local video store? Give me a break.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12729 times:

Brokeback Mountain IMO should be replaced by South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut.

BTW are those remotes in the seats? Although I can't see them clearly, the Song system does not have remotes. Can anyone explain this?



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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12729 times:

Quoting Type-rated (Reply 8):
The seats DO look skinny and I would hate to be in the first row with those tiny little tray tables. I would probably have my food rolling off on the floor.

All tray tables come out of the arm rest in J cabin. The first row provides the same amount of leg room without having the seat in front of you come back in flight. On the 763ER I find it to be the best seat on the plane. On any other product such as Y or F class I can't stand the bulkhead.

Quoting Type-rated (Reply 8):
If they are going to show these old movies, why not go with some real classics, you know the kind people always like to see, but never have the time?

Come on I am sure you can find something else to complain about. This is for those travelling in June. It will change every month. Do you really believe this is a permanent selection of films?



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User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12718 times:

Quoting Type-rated (Reply 8):
The selection of movies seems to be quite old. Apollo 13?

I recall TWA showing Casablanca as the second movie on MXP-JFK in 1996..


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4973 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12718 times:
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Quoting H53Epilot (Reply 5):
I agree as well. CO will eat their lunch with the 2-1-2 config on their 767s. The seats are a bit wider and much more comfortable.

CO has been having 2-1-2 on the 767 for as long as DL has had 2-2-2 on th3 763. Do you really think CO has eaten their lunch all this time since 1998? AA, UA, KL, and even BA with their new lie-flat Club World seats, all have a 2-2-2 configuration on their 767s.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 3):
I totally agree with your statement. Lets not forget about AC 767's - they also have the 1x2x2 configuration. I had great trips between SYD-CHC-SYD on AC metal, when they operated trans-Tasman flights on QF's behalf a few years ago



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
Still got those horrid narrow little seats though. Sorry but any carrier that thinks 2x2x2 business class seating on a 767 is a "premium" offering has to be kidd

Seriously, are you all such fat as*es that you can't fit into those seats? I thought only us Americans were known around the world for being tubs of lard!

Quoting Type-rated (Reply 8):
King Kong as a first run movie? Please, that was a 2003 release.

PLEASE! We're talking about the Peter Jackson "King Kong" movie from last Christmas! Get a Grip!

Quoting Type-rated (Reply 8):
The selection of movies seems to be quite old. Apollo 13? Ancient and long! Broke Back Mountain? Does Delta even know what this movie is about given their past reputation? Why not show Queer as Folk too?

Just in case you didn't know, all airlines with a decent selection of on-demand movies feature various sections such as New Releases, Film Classics, Popular Favorites, etc. Take a look at SQ's selection - they have "Lethal Weapon", "The Truman Show", "Big Daddy", "The Perfect Storm" EEEWW HOW ANCIENT!  Yeah sure. BTW, "Brokeback Mountain" has been/is being shown on VS, QF, BA, etc. as well

Quoting COfaninBOS (Reply 14):
It's an improvement for sure but the seats do appear paper thin. Also, it looks as if there is zero space between the seats from that photo so I can't imagine how tight it must actually be. Talk about bumping elbows...

For God's sake, it is essentially the same seat with the same pitch of 60" as before except with better padding and headrest, that's a whole 5" MORE seat pitch THAN CO's BF seats on the 767s and 757s, not to mention a 160 degree recline, which is more than CO's 150-155.


User currently offlineMikkel777 From Norway, joined Oct 2002, 370 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12678 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7):
No they won't. CO flys tiny little 757's across the Atlantic now for a large percentage of their flights, including major destinations like LGW and AMS.

The 75 biz-cabin is superior to most, I even prefer it to DL's 777 2-2-2 cabin. The seat in the DL 777 is bigger, but the cabin on the 75 is so much better!

Give me a 75 any day, widebodies are so overrated.


User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12570 times:

I thought the seating on DLs new bizzelite was 1x2x2? instead of 2x2x2?

not bad for the seats especially leather, more cushion  Smile


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3976 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12536 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 9):
While adjustable headrests are currently not being installed, PTVs will be installed in Y, starting with 100 aircraft (which includes 757s, 737-800s, and domestic 767-300s), and eventually to all aircraft except the MDs and RJs.

Hmm... does anyone else think its strange that they're fitting out the domestic aircraft before the intl ones? Surely PTVs would benefit people far more on intl routes!


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12504 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
Still got those horrid narrow little seats though. Sorry but any carrier that thinks 2x2x2 business class seating on a 767 is a "premium" offering has to be kidding. It might work on domestic, but it's very sub-par for transatlantic. QF's old intercontinental 1x2x2 was much better.

You are right, this is really not much of a change. The mechanics are really the same. Surface materials updates are nice, but not really substantial. It will make a more positive first impression just by being clean and smelling new.

Quoting COfaninBOS (Reply 14):
It's an improvement for sure but the seats do appear paper thin. Also, it looks as if there is zero space between the seats from that photo so I can't imagine how tight it must actually be. Talk about bumping elbows...

The BizE seats are only .5" wider than coach. The pitch is superior, however.

Quoting Mikkel777 (Reply 21):
Give me a 75 any day, widebodies are so overrated.

You are right. The 738 is my favorite Delta bird.



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25 H53Epilot : Ummmm, yes. Who's in better financial shape? Who's BF product is continually ranked as the best in the world? This second point speaks for itself.
26 Panamair : Yes, CO is profitable but can you prove that it's due to CO's 'better' BF product? BF is ranked best in the world? Compared to SQ, BA, VS? Which surv
27 ASTROJET707 : I wish DL would adopt a real premium cabin. Even AF's older version J has DLBE beat. I agree with Mikkel777, DL'sm seat width is uncomfortable compare
28 RwSEA : CO's BizFirst is certainly not ranked best in the world. And CO may be returning to profitability, but it has gone through bankruptcy twice in the pa
29 DL4EVR : I'm not directing this one towards you specifically, but I don't know how many times it needs to be said...but it's Delta Air Lines, not Delta Airlin
30 Alitalia744 : Actually kid, if you're gonna get technical, it's Delta Air Lines, Inc.
31 B777-700 : Horrid?...lol hardly. Nothing about any premium service is horrid. Any airline, any aircraft. If these are the things you have to complain about, you
32 Airzim : Is this broken record ever going to stop? Who cares if DL was the most profitable prior to 9/11. Back then they gave sweetheart contracts to the pilo
33 Type-rated : Whoops, I confused that movie with "The Incredible Hulk", I stand corrected. It is obvious that I am not a movie fan. I personally don't have a probl
34 Alitalia744 : AirZim, I know you've personally hit me on this so here's my true thoughts... Is it the best Biz class seat out there? HELL NO. Delta needs to comple
35 DeltaRules : Song's IFE is a touch screen. IIRC, there are buttons in the armrest like you'd see on a plane with normal IFE, but the controls for the TV, includin
36 ASTROJET707 : Quoting ASTROJET707 (Reply 27): f DL went 2x1x2 or some combination with a 20" seat...they would get my money. Even in a strong economy, I do not see
37 Evan767 : Honestly, what the hell is wrong with this guy and Delta? He needs to stop being such a little bi***y pessimist and support DL for improving their pr
38 MalpensaSFO : Unfortunately I had the terrible honor of flying F from ATL-LAX on the 763. The cabin was dated.. Food was..well, not befitting anything in the realm
39 DL4EVR : While you can control thos on the screen, those are 2 functions that can also be controlled from the armrest.
40 1337Delta764 : What I meant to ask was why is there a remote in the picture?
41 RwSEA : Once again, given all DL's recent attention to cabin upgrades, they would go to 2-1-2 if either a) they thought it could increase revenues, or b) the
42 Airzim : ...and the whining continues. I'm beginning to sense an inferiority complex, since every time someone challenges DL, the lemmings bring up CO and tho
43 Post contains images MalpensaSFO : Air Zim, be careful they may get you banned....
44 Post contains images DL787932ER : Welcome to my RU list. It's amazing seeing how many people here just hate anything regarding DL. You don't seem to see it on AA or UA threads, even t
45 Airzim : Don't encourage me! DL787932ER ...and the ranting continues. See here's the funny thing; have you been able to take a look at yourselves? Acknowledgm
46 Post contains images Vasu : Oh B777-700... I didn't actually... but I do now!
47 Post contains images SAA346 : Heaven forbid - saw DL's advert on SatTV last night and it looked kinda retro (like BA Club in the 80's!) As for ATL > JNB dead to rights, shame SAA
48 ATLflyer : Brokeback mountain is a great movie...and yes why not show Queer as Folk? If you do not like it, then you do not have to watch it...the great thing a
49 Panamair : So you prefer a J seat with 48 inch pitch and a 135-140 degree recline over one with 60 inch pitch and a 160 degree recline? Not to mention the oppor
50 B777A340Fan : Personally, I've made extra effort not to fly DL's BizElite... If I must, then I would choose AF on my trans-atlantic flights. The comfort, food, over
51 Nzrich : In the end i would choose DL business only if it was a lot cheaper than a airline like BA VS NZ etc which had horizontal lie flat seats ..Compared to
52 Avi8tir : Ill take this over AA's new product. people are talking about "paper thin"...look at the new AA seats. and personally, Id rather sit at an angle than
53 Evan767 : ......Look who's talking......
54 Burnsie28 : Much better then AA's new sub-par Biz Seats. It looks great, and the entertainment system is almost like all the SkyTeam airlines are going with what
55 JGPH1A : I'm not complaining - I don't fly DL B/E so why should I ? I merely point out that as a so-called "upgrade" of an old product, it's not that marvello
56 JCS17 : Way to go, DL. Way to be a couple years behind the curve... as usual. That's a pretty sad upgrade.
57 Incitatus : The reality is that Delta has no money to buy new seats. So they patched up a new seat cover and bought new tvs. If they had money, they would have g
58 Avi8tir : this is a "refresh" not a major change or a major upgrade. this forum is like a pack wolves, anytime they see one going down, they bash it to hell. a
59 Abrelosojos : More importantly, what the hell is their signature Mojito. Cubans the world over are expressing this day with sadness. Mojito (of any sort) has mint l
60 Avi8tir : yes, how dare they try and provide a new refreshing drink to their product offering!! AND they try to make it taste like a drink that people might be
61 Avi8tir : uhem..... if you recall, DL was actually the pioneer of the whole "business first" concept when they offered the BizElite product in the late 90's.
62 JGPH1A : No - that was KLM/NW World Business Class - it was the first premium class combining business and first class IIRC.
63 Abrelosojos : = My friend ... if they provided a real Mojito, it would be refreshing and it would sell. This alas, is something truly classless. -A.
64 Jaysit : That product looks pretty good. Also, having just flown on MaxJet from IAD to STN which has a similar 2-2-2 product on a 767 with the same pitch and r
65 B777-700 : And you, my friend, are just about the only person in the world who cares.
66 Airzim : Ah no. That would be Virgin Atlantic (1984). In the US Continental's product (1992) predates DL's too. (1996) Maybe for KL but not for NW. NW still h
67 B4real : It is not an upgrade. If it were a new product, they'd call it something new. Right on.
68 DL4EVR : Actually, Airzim, DL didn't come up with BusinessElite until 98.
69 Airzim : Bet you feel important now! Sorry typo. Point still stands.
70 RwSEA : So let me get this straight - you're trying to point out that CO came out with BizFirst before DL came out with BizE. Great. So then if CO's product
71 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = I am also extremely super duper rich and can make airline choices based on my Mojito. Woohoo ... . -A.
72 Avi8tir : geez. why dont "open your eyes" and realize that nobody cares. if you want to talk money keep it to the side. trust me, you're small fish.
73 Abrelosojos : = It was a joke ... like all my responses here because people have been so worked up about a group of seats. Note to self: contain self-humor. People
74 Airzim : You must be joking right? How desperate are you to prove an invalid point? Where did I ever make any parallel between profitability and enhanced J cl
75 Alitalia744 : Why should we, you brought up the anti-gay sentiment yet again in this thread.
76 JCS17 : I have flown on DL Biz Elite, albeit on a domestic leg (ATL-JFK 763), several years ago. I can't comment on the meals since it was basically a domest
77 Jonno : Horrible! I've said it before and I'm afraid it's time to say it again: Dragged kicking and screaming into the early 1990s. You can bet the two pax pi
78 Aanyc : I am sure if they had the cash they would purchase a new seat. If you have the answer as to how they could turn the losses of the last several years
79 ATLflyer : I think the refeshed seat looks great...and props to Delta for coming up with a cost-effective way to make their product better until they have enough
80 Fanoftristars : First of all, as a person who has flown in the new seats, and even the old seats, I can say you're what the US government would call OBESE if these se
81 COfaninBOS : What the hell is a signature cocktail? A mojito without the fresh mint carefully grinded into the mix is like a fruit cocktail without the fruit. It's
82 Panamair : Exactly...it's the same crap these clowns have posted and b*tched about on the other thread regarding AA's new J seat - and guess what - not a single
83 Fanoftristars : Well, guess what mr COfan... Business travelers don't have to order the Mojito without the mint. They still have basically the same choices of other
84 MalpensaSFO : United Airlines - Bellini Many airlines have had them over the years. TWA had the Bellini as their signature cocktail in TW One. Mojitos have been bi
85 Jonno : It is a BLOODY disgrace! And I should add that it's Business Class seating and ECONOMY service when I fly SEA - SFO or LAX and get PEANUTs and all th
86 Exusair : It is a sales gimmick.......Some numbers to ponder. According to the COO and some other executives, if DL sold an extra $10 in liquor on its flights,
87 Christao17 : Oh, sure you do. AA, UA, NW, US... There's haters for every airline and they use a.net as their forum not to have a constructive, spirited discussion
88 COfaninBOS : Actually, I am just a beer man. I wouldn't trust a margarita or a mojito out of a can. Some things are better left unexplored.
89 Avi8tir : all I have to say is this when comparing internatioanl airlines.... Most countries in the world have 1 dominant airline. therefore, US are able to pro
90 JGPH1A : You seem to imply the non-US carriers don't compete with each other. That's absolute rubbish - AF competes with BA, LH, IB as well as AA for transatl
91 AA767400 : What year and state do you live in? LOL! Yeah right. You see this kind of crap about every airline on here. You speak of people bashing DL, but you y
92 Post contains images OttoPylit : Ummm, who's the biggest airline in the world in terms of departures, destinations, and available seat miles? Delta. In the U.S? Delta. Where is CO? W
93 FlyPNS1 : Sorry, but DL is not the biggest airline in terms of available seat miles. May 2006 Systemwide ASM's (000's): AA (including American Eagle): 16,205,5
94 Airzim : What a load of crap. I'm sure a lot of people at EA, PA, SR, SN, had pride in their company too. Now all they got is tribute websites. This is not a
95 B4real : Well put. One RR click for you.
96 OttoPylit : Sorry, but wrong again. With the new June schedule, DL IS the largest. Feel free to check the numbers again once the month is over and they are out.
97 FlyPNS1 : DL is 25% smaller than AA in terms of ASM's. So you are saying that DL will increase in size by 25% in the month of June?? This, despite the fact tha
98 OttoPylit : Where has that happened? Once again, I'm gonna go above and beyond when it comes to you and ask for some proof(i.e.-links) of them saying that, espec
99 Post contains links FlyPNS1 : http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10221 See the very bottom where DL give's capacity guidance. For the 2nd quarter 2006, DL predic
100 OttoPylit : Boy your easy. Those are speculative, at best. Or did you not know that? And notice how the International capacity was rising and decreasing systemwi
101 Boeingguy1 : Good for them. They are currently bankrupt.
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DL Updates Website, Introduces "Toolkit" posted Thu May 18 2006 01:39:20 by OttoPylit
Some Airlines View A350 As "Timid" Response posted Tue Apr 4 2006 00:48:17 by Leelaw
When Did DL Switch Back To The More "angled" Logo? posted Mon Mar 6 2006 17:39:15 by Avi8tir
Why Are Winds All-of-a-sudden "estimated"? posted Mon Oct 31 2005 19:55:55 by LVTMB
U Of M Say "No" To NW posted Wed Oct 12 2005 19:35:22 by NWA757boy