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Is EI Suffering On DUB-NYC?  
User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 836 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

Since DL started their daily DUB-SNN-JFK service it seems to have very good loads and with the extra daily CO service to EWR and the increasing problems EI have been having with the reliability of their 330s, is this all hitting EI's loads to JFK? Or are all of the services doing well?


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3111 times:

What increasing problems does EI have with their 330s exactly?

Micke//SWE  

[Edited 2006-06-14 22:37:32]


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User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):
What increasing problems does EI have with their 330s exactly?

EI-DUB went tech this week, why i don't know but EI are still down a 330..... well they are down 7 or 8 330's but from their existing fleet they where down a 330 which EI can't afford.

I don't believe this is really causing a problem, CO used to bring in a 764 during the summer into DUB (direct from EWR) if anything they have decreased real service into DUB and only allowed a second option to people flying out.

AA made no real odds last year that EI suffered, in my opinion.... AA and DL have take pax from LHR or CDG flights more then anything else. They have taken some business from EI but not enough to worry the airline.



John Hancock
User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

@ Smokeyrosco

So what you are saying is that EI can´t afford the 330s, did I get it right?

Cheers

Micke//SWE  wave 



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User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

EI can't afford NEW 330's (or smiler) they are stretching there existing fleet to max capacity, they have two 330's on order for delivery next year but badly need money (the floatation we are still waiting) in order to finance a new long haul fleet.

EI has just stretched the existing long haul fleet beyond it's means... but that's competition more then anything else.... EI needs to get in a few places before anyone else.

Hope that makes sense.



John Hancock
User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

@Smokeyrosco

Yep it does, thx for the info.

Micke//SWE  Smile



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User currently offline9KBOS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

Think of how much money EI waste to charter a World Airways MD-11 or North American 757....it happens way to often when one of the 330's has tech problems. EI needs at least one extra A330...maybe that could come off of one of the JFK routes? Great Airline, but needs more long haul equipment (Even though they cant afford it)  Smile

User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

I flew EI from Dublin to JFK and their service is a lot nicer than CO or DL.

User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

Quoting Semsem (Reply 7):
I flew EI from Dublin to JFK and their service is a lot nicer than CO or DL.

The fares are very cheap too!
I dont think EI are suffering that badly but EI do have the A330s on routes to the US and Dubai and if one aircraft has a problem the entire system has problems.


User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2759 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 8):
EI do have the A330s on routes to the US and Dubai

And don't forget they send them down to Malaga and Nice as well.



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User currently offlineShamrock330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

EI certainly get maximum use out of the 330's. But i dont think that A330's are made to fly 25min hops back and forth to shannon.  Confused

User currently offlineProvance From Ireland, joined May 2006, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

I dont EI are feeling the competition pinch from DL at the moment as their is never enough capacity on the JFK route from Ireland during the summer period. However, winter could be a different story altogether


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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

EI is doing fine on NYC-DUB. My neighbors fly the route about 5 times a year and more and they always have to go very early to the airport because EI overbooks like crazy and they alwsys go out full so you want to make sure you get on. Though evryone I know that flies that route say EI is kind of pricey we all still fly it becuase when you think Ireland you jsut think of them. Though pricey still well traveled.

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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2330 times:

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 2):
CO used to bring in a 764 during the summer into DUB (direct from EWR) if anything they have decreased real service into DUB and only allowed a second option to people flying out.

CO flies twice daily to Dublin and twice daily to Shannon, two daily 757-200s is more capacity than a 767-400.

EWR-
Dublin 1 daily 757-
Dublin, Shannon 1 daily 757
Shannon 1 daily 757.

CO also flies nonstop from EWR to Belfast which I realize is part of the UK.

Im still waiting for EI to return to EWR, they dropped EWR right after 9-11 and have not returned (yet).


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User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

EI-DUB is back up and running having gone tech several days ago. it operated this evening's EI109 to JFK. What other one has gone AWOL for the time being?

User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 13):
CO flies twice daily to Dublin and twice daily to Shannon, two daily 757-200s is more capacity than a 767-400.

I know, sometimes i see one in queue for the runway while the other is landing... it's an odd but wonderful sight in DUB.

the difference is the 764 used to serve DUB direct without connection to SNN as the 75 always served SNN, the extra 75 serves both DUB and SNN.

The 764's have 235 seats (200Y and 35 Business) the 752's have 172 seats (156Y and 16 Business). If you take the EWR-SNN-DUB-EWR 75 and split it in 2 for each of the Irish destination it's only an extra 23 seats, hardly a huge increase in the grand scheme of things. But I'll hand you your due it is 23 EXTRA seats. I'd still choose a 330 over a 757.



John Hancock
User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2759 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 12):
EI is doing fine on NYC-DUB. My neighbors fly the route about 5 times a year and more and they always have to go very early to the airport because EI overbooks like crazy and they alwsys go out full so you want to make sure you get on. Though evryone I know that flies that route say EI is kind of pricey we all still fly it becuase when you think Ireland you jsut think of them. Though pricey still well traveled.

Glad to hear that and that you all like EI. Just a bit surprised that you think they're pricey, I took a random date for a return flight with the 3 airlines and EI was the cheapest: All flights departing NYC July 21st and returning from DUB on August 3rd:

Aer Lingus (Offering 3 flights per day). JFK-DUB
Cheapest fare for selected dates: $672,12

Continental (Offering 2 daily flights). EWR-DUB
Cheaperst fare for selecting dates: $ 746

Delta (Offering 1 daily flight). JFK-DUB
Cheapest fare for selected dates: $1.030,00

Granted, I choose the cheapest offer available, all for Economy (coach), but EI came out as the cheapest. Maybe just the dates I selected, but I've always heard people saying they pick EI for their low fares. Recently flying DUB to TLS (Toulouse) a few weeks ago I was amazed to see the number of French people on the flight who had connected from EI flights from the states (and that meant overnighting in DUB given the early 7am departure to TLS.



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