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Request To Go To The Cockpit.  
User currently offlineJumbo747 From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

Hi guys.

I just wondered it would be difficult after Sep 11 to visit a cockpit after requesting it.

And what procedures does a pilot take if such request is made during the flight. Do they ask the ground staff, communicate to the airline at the ground or make their own decision.

Thank you.

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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

For many countries (such as the USA) and airlines, there is no procedure... it is a simple "No." Most likely, it never even gets beyond the flight attendant to the pilot.

User currently offlineRyGuy From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 1):
Most likely, it never even gets beyond the flight attendant to the pilot.

I would think that it would never get past the Passanger to the Flight Attendant.

Thanks,
RyGuy



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21654 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

The rule in the US is no visitors while the airplane is moving. You can ask for a visit after landing (most likely you'll get it), and I suppose you could ask for one prior to departure, but the pilots are pretty busy during that time and I doubt they'd be very enthusiastic about it.

-Mir



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8292 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4304 times:

If you're on the ground they don't care, no big deal. Just pop in and ask.

In the air? Don't even bother.



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User currently offlineLeftWing From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4298 times:

stay away from such questions on US flts....if you work in aviation feild give your biz card, tell the crew you want to say hi to the capt...dont say u want to see the deck

User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

Is there any chance that these laws will ever be lifted within the future??

Ive only ever been in the cockpit once during flight...on a flight to tenerife in the evening. Sunset was beautiful and pilots were great



Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
User currently offlineJumbo747 From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 6):

Good point. I would not think this will happen OR may not happen in future. I have travelled quite a bit but LOVE to have this oppurtunity.

Thank you all for your responses.


User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

if you fly turkish airlines they will most likely let you up. We flew to Zagreb the other day and we had a Crotian sailor visit us for 30 mins over Bulgaria, it was nice chatting to him


The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 8):
if you fly turkish airlines they will most likely let you up. We flew to Zagreb the other day and we had a Crotian sailor visit us for 30 mins over Bulgaria, it was nice chatting to him

I will keep that in mind. That can be influential to aviation euthatiasts.
Is there a list fo airlines around anywhere that alow cockpit visits whilst in the air?



Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4191 times:

It comes down to who you know... ie if you know the captain personally then yes you might be able to if you organise it before hand. Or if you work for an airline there is always the possibility if you know the right people  Wink


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User currently offlineCF188A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

In the future this will wear off............. just like the inbound DCA rule .... No standing 30 minutes prior to arrival or .... 30 minutes outbound Sad ... a poor fello wonce spilled his coffee  Sad

User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4115 times:

Just ask; you'll be surprised.


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User currently offlineNZ8800 From New Zealand, joined May 2006, 425 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Or fly on smaller aeroplanes...  Smile I was on a Beech 1900D out of Whangarei today and could see into the cockpit all the way back to Auckland, and after we had landed and she had a few minutes, the friendly captain explained some of the instruments to me, even those small 18-19 seaters have an amazing amount of dials and switches...


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User currently offlineCardiffairtaxi From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

I also flew with a Turkish charter(Freebird) from BRS last summer,cockpit door was open for whole flight,and FA`s actually asked if my 7yr old would like to visit the cockpit.Very very friendly.

User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

Quoting Cardiffairtaxi (Reply 14):
asked if my 7yr old would like to visit the cockpit

and u said.. NO!!! but i do  Smile



The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

Quoting Jumbo747 (Thread starter):

If you're flying around Air New Zealand in a Saab or ATR, and ask the F/A, Pilots, and sometimes the ground staff nicely while or prior to boarding, they may let you jumpseat. It's much easier if you're somehow involved in the New Zealand aviation industry.

As far as Air NZ's domestic jets go, there is an almost next to nothing chance they will let you. But may on the rare occasion.

NZ747


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3779 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 6):
Is there any chance that these laws will ever be lifted within the future??

No. The cost of upgrading the flight deck entrance to a bulletproof door locked from the inside (the flightdeck) was tremendous for the airlines...start letting people in and they wasted a lot of money for no reason. While the aviation industry is fascinating, its first rule is safety and that can never be comprimised. No matter how good of a metal detector you have to walk through at the airport, if a terrorist wants to bring down an aircraft they are going to do it using whatever they can. If you don't even give them the chance to even get into the flight deck it just makes it very hard for them.

My suggestion would be to look outside the country for this experience (if its an airliner you are looking to get in the flight deck of) or make some friends in the GA aspect of the industry so you can be in the flight deck every time you get the urge for a $100 burger (I guess with the fuel prices now it would be more like a $300 burger!).

Good luck on the endeavor, and let us know if you get to go for a ride!!



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 6):
Is there any chance that these laws will ever be lifted within the future??

In the US they're over 40 years old, so I doubt it.. FAR 121.547 dates back to the early 1960's.

[Edited 2006-06-17 18:09:43]


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User currently offlinePhelpsie87 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 498 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

Yeah, don't even try. Even airline employee's are not allowed to be on the flight deck unless the have JSA, which only includes pilots. But don't be afraid to ask while you on the ground, especially after the flight. Most of the time they are more then happy to talk to you and let you explore.

User currently offlineCardiffairtaxi From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 15):

Too Right!
Must be supervised at all times!!!!


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Quoting Phelpsie87 (Reply 19):
Even airline employee's are not allowed to be on the flight deck unless the have JSA, which only includes pilots.

Dispatchers are able to within some of their companys and a few select others, but not even ATC kids who had priveledges prior to 9/11 are able to even if you know the El' Captain.....there are some large hoops you can jump through if the airline requests, but that involves a lot of background checks etc., buy the TSA and more, just not worth it.



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User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Quoting Jumbo747 (Thread starter):
I just wondered it would be difficult after Sep 11 to visit a cockpit after requesting it.

See the TR section:

www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/79023/

[Edited 2006-06-17 19:45:39]

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3432 times:

Not until the Aircraft Lands unless you are a Staff known to the Crew.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 16):
As far as Air NZ's domestic jets go, there is an almost next to nothing chance they will let you. But may on the rare occasion.

I spoke to the gate agent about this for a domestic 737 flight last month - she said the official line is that they will let you ride jumpseat but only if the aircraft is totally full and nobody can be offloaded - even then airline employees have priority over regular pax. But at least it's not a flat out "No"!

But on the regionals, usually not a problem to at least visit the flight deck, particularly on the ground. Just ask the F/A and they are usually accommodating, this goes for the UK too (but only after landing here).


25 SLUAviator : In March 2001, I jumpseated enroute from BRU to MAD on a Sabena flight. I gave the F/A my STL badge (threw bags there when in college) and my private
26 OPNLguy : False; it's not only pilots. Dispatchers can ride (if CASS-approved) as can certain higher-level company executives, FAA and NTSB folks, Secret Servi
27 EMBQA : Why does this question keep coming up...and why does everyone have their own opinion on who is allowed in the cockpit..? FAR 121.547 is pretty black a
28 ATCT : Yep Never gonna get lifted. Personally, If you asked on my flight, during flight, I'd give you a very quick no, and frankly, You'd be a marked man (o
29 IAirAllie : Follow the proper chain of command. See the lead FA before "popping" in. Typical proceedure if you want to visit the flight deck, on the ground only,
30 Heathrow : I remember as a young child, I was flying alone on QN, and the very friendly flight attnedants brought me up. i was very nervous. it was brilliant. I
31 NoelG : Maybe because we don't all live in the United States of Paranoia? The FAR only applies to you guys - the rest of us are still able to, but the condit
32 AAden : It's up to the pilot best to ask after your parked at the gate and the flight is over
33 EMBQA : Well to be honest NoelG... the FAR dates back to before you were born. It is NOT a result of Sept 2001. It is a result of all the bombing and highjac
34 Post contains images David L : Fair point but just change "Paranoia" to "America" and you have a reasonable response to your question.
35 EMBQA : David L.. My point being this question has been beaten to death on A.net and the answer really dosn't change. In the US and most of the world the ans
36 Post contains images David L : Very true but that's a "use the search feature" issue rather than specifically a "cockpit visit" issue. Absolutely and I agree that words like "paran
37 Lapper : Again, the responses given are as if the whole world is governed by FAR rules, which we are not. The original poster is from New Zealand, which is no
38 Pilotaydin : we don't make up our own answers. It is entirely up to the captain in the very end, at least with our rules.... if you wanna talk about things coming
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