Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 22038 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4474 times:
The rule in the US is no visitors while the airplane is moving. You can ask for a visit after landing (most likely you'll get it), and I suppose you could ask for one prior to departure, but the pilots are pretty busy during that time and I doubt they'd be very enthusiastic about it.
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Legoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3316 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4401 times:
Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 8): if you fly turkish airlines they will most likely let you up. We flew to Zagreb the other day and we had a Crotian sailor visit us for 30 mins over Bulgaria, it was nice chatting to him
I will keep that in mind. That can be influential to aviation euthatiasts.
Is there a list fo airlines around anywhere that alow cockpit visits whilst in the air?
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Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4890 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4357 times:
It comes down to who you know... ie if you know the captain personally then yes you might be able to if you organise it before hand. Or if you work for an airline there is always the possibility if you know the right people
NZ8800 From New Zealand, joined May 2006, 425 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4063 times:
Or fly on smaller aeroplanes... I was on a Beech 1900D out of Whangarei today and could see into the cockpit all the way back to Auckland, and after we had landed and she had a few minutes, the friendly captain explained some of the instruments to me, even those small 18-19 seaters have an amazing amount of dials and switches...
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If you're flying around Air New Zealand in a Saab or ATR, and ask the F/A, Pilots, and sometimes the ground staff nicely while or prior to boarding, they may let you jumpseat. It's much easier if you're somehow involved in the New Zealand aviation industry.
As far as Air NZ's domestic jets go, there is an almost next to nothing chance they will let you. But may on the rare occasion.
B6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2910 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3945 times:
Quoting Legoguy (Reply 6): Is there any chance that these laws will ever be lifted within the future??
No. The cost of upgrading the flight deck entrance to a bulletproof door locked from the inside (the flightdeck) was tremendous for the airlines...start letting people in and they wasted a lot of money for no reason. While the aviation industry is fascinating, its first rule is safety and that can never be comprimised. No matter how good of a metal detector you have to walk through at the airport, if a terrorist wants to bring down an aircraft they are going to do it using whatever they can. If you don't even give them the chance to even get into the flight deck it just makes it very hard for them.
My suggestion would be to look outside the country for this experience (if its an airliner you are looking to get in the flight deck of) or make some friends in the GA aspect of the industry so you can be in the flight deck every time you get the urge for a $100 burger (I guess with the fuel prices now it would be more like a $300 burger!).
Good luck on the endeavor, and let us know if you get to go for a ride!!
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Phelpsie87 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3835 times:
Yeah, don't even try. Even airline employee's are not allowed to be on the flight deck unless the have JSA, which only includes pilots. But don't be afraid to ask while you on the ground, especially after the flight. Most of the time they are more then happy to talk to you and let you explore.
IAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3786 times:
Quoting Phelpsie87 (Reply 19): Even airline employee's are not allowed to be on the flight deck unless the have JSA, which only includes pilots.
Dispatchers are able to within some of their companys and a few select others, but not even ATC kids who had priveledges prior to 9/11 are able to even if you know the El' Captain.....there are some large hoops you can jump through if the airline requests, but that involves a lot of background checks etc., buy the TSA and more, just not worth it.
Any views shared are strictly my own and do not a represent those of any former employer.
Noelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3546 times:
Quoting NZ747 (Reply 16): As far as Air NZ's domestic jets go, there is an almost next to nothing chance they will let you. But may on the rare occasion.
I spoke to the gate agent about this for a domestic 737 flight last month - she said the official line is that they will let you ride jumpseat but only if the aircraft is totally full and nobody can be offloaded - even then airline employees have priority over regular pax. But at least it's not a flat out "No"!
But on the regionals, usually not a problem to at least visit the flight deck, particularly on the ground. Just ask the F/A and they are usually accommodating, this goes for the UK too (but only after landing here).
: In March 2001, I jumpseated enroute from BRU to MAD on a Sabena flight. I gave the F/A my STL badge (threw bags there when in college) and my private
: False; it's not only pilots. Dispatchers can ride (if CASS-approved) as can certain higher-level company executives, FAA and NTSB folks, Secret Servi
: Why does this question keep coming up...and why does everyone have their own opinion on who is allowed in the cockpit..? FAR 121.547 is pretty black a
: Yep Never gonna get lifted. Personally, If you asked on my flight, during flight, I'd give you a very quick no, and frankly, You'd be a marked man (o
: Follow the proper chain of command. See the lead FA before "popping" in. Typical proceedure if you want to visit the flight deck, on the ground only,
: I remember as a young child, I was flying alone on QN, and the very friendly flight attnedants brought me up. i was very nervous. it was brilliant. I
: Maybe because we don't all live in the United States of Paranoia? The FAR only applies to you guys - the rest of us are still able to, but the condit
: It's up to the pilot best to ask after your parked at the gate and the flight is over
: Well to be honest NoelG... the FAR dates back to before you were born. It is NOT a result of Sept 2001. It is a result of all the bombing and highjac
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: Fair point but just change "Paranoia" to "America" and you have a reasonable response to your question.
: David L.. My point being this question has been beaten to death on A.net and the answer really dosn't change. In the US and most of the world the ans
36 David L
: Very true but that's a "use the search feature" issue rather than specifically a "cockpit visit" issue. Absolutely and I agree that words like "paran
: Again, the responses given are as if the whole world is governed by FAR rules, which we are not. The original poster is from New Zealand, which is no
: we don't make up our own answers. It is entirely up to the captain in the very end, at least with our rules.... if you wanna talk about things coming