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User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 1977 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

Here is a little kernel of information....

Considering CO's long standing juggernaut in the IAH-LGA and IAH-EWR markets, at one time CO was unsure if they even wanted to bother with JFK-IAH. I believe for a long time they never even flew the route. Correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe they even cancelled it after 9/11, then reinstated it.

Now for a long time, it was only once a day... Then it was upgraded to twice a day.

Now, given B6's explosive growth at JFK, some here have speculated that B6 might want to try JFK-IAH. I was at CO's website today, and had a sneaking little suspicion that CO was going to tweak their presence at JFK again. Well, I was right on. CO is now up to a THIRD daily IAH-JFK nonstop.

I think this is great. I always thought it was retarded CO had this aversion to serving the "other" big NYC airport. This is a clear sign from CO to B6! If B6 wants to serve IAH, CO will take them on, even from JFK, and that CO has not forgotten about JFK.

I correctly predicted CO would beef up its presence from JFK to IAH. I bet we'll even see a fourth or even a fifth JFK-IAH flight in the future. What do you'all think??

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User currently offlineFLY764 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 113 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

We might have added that flight just to meet increasing summer demand. I haven't heard anything about B6 wanting to take Continental on in this market.

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3406 times:

Well--rumour has it that CO also snapped up the vacated WN gate at Terminal A at IAH to prevent B6s entrance into the market. Honestly, I would guess that Jetblue would start Houston service to Hobby with ERJ190 flights if they decide to serve Houston. After TZs success with the HOU-LGA route I would guess Jetblue may rethink their Houston plans as they will be taking on TZ/WN and CO on the Houston - New York route. The market exist for them to fly Houston - Boston, Houston - DC, and Houston - Long Beach without as much direct competition. I'd like to see what they plan on doing here in Houston...if anything. Houston has been stagnant in terms of domestic growth in comparison with the international growth.


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

yeah we added this third flight for the additional traffic for the summer and has been meeting full loads on this flight.


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User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

AA just recently pulled their AUS-HOU-LGA service, but with TZs success on the route (with the help of WNs codeshare I "assume") B6 might not want to enter the market. Maybe they can make it work with the 170 and the O&D FFlyers from NYC. Good luck, Houston will always take more service Big grin

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User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

CO needs to upgrade the CLE-JFK flight to at least a 737-500, that flight is always full and sometimes not all the bags will fit on a SRJ.


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User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 1977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 3):
yeah we added this third flight for the additional traffic for the summer and has been meeting full loads on this flight.

I am not surprised at all by this...

I don't at all deny this is a seasonal adjustment. However, it is still interesting since CO has often shown little interest at all in JFK before, even if it just a seasonal addition.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

It would be nice to see DL add this route - there are still several places that DL serves from JFK that are not served by CO. As DL is a skyteam member, they might do ok on the route by being able to attract CO frequent flyers going to Europe or Long Island.

User currently offlineOptionsCLE From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 5):
CO needs to upgrade the CLE-JFK flight to at least a 737-500, that flight is always full and sometimes not all the bags will fit on a SRJ.

I tried to fly nonrev on this route a couple of weeks ago and it was showing up as 39/37 so I didn't even try. It stayed that way until an hour after departure when they updated it to show 31/37  Sad. The return flight JFK-CLE was exactly the same. This was a Saturday though, I know the weekday flights go out full like you said. As far as I know though, all of the bags make it, the airline just blocks seats instead, isn't that right?


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3075 times:

Saw CO 709 takeoff tonight...Nice seeing a 738 with winglets at JFK instead of the usual 735!

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7):
It would be nice to see DL add this route - there are still several places that DL serves from JFK that are not served by CO. As DL is a skyteam member, they might do ok on the route by being able to attract CO frequent flyers going to Europe or Long Island.

CO operates out of Terminal 2. Passengers flying connecting from CO domestic to DL international would have no problem.

[Edited 2006-06-16 01:34:22]

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 5):
CO needs to upgrade the CLE-JFK flight to at least a 737-500, that flight is always full and sometimes not all the bags will fit on a SRJ.

This route could be a prime candidate if CommuteAir does upgrade to the 73-seat Q400. That's a route I didn't mention, because it's only once a day, which I don't understand. But it could use AT LEAST one more frequency.

I worked an ERJ-145 to JFK once, and I kid you not, there were 48 pax on board, and it ended up with 135 bags being taken to JFK. Bags stuffed in the overhead; under every seat; two each strapped in toe the two empty seats; packed in the closet; about 7 or so on the flight deck. It was nuts.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1787 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2961 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
CO operates out of Terminal 2. Passengers flying connecting from CO domestic to DL international would have no problem.

Not any more as of two weeks ago the op at Terminal 4



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User currently offlineDL4EVR From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 11):

Not any more as of two weeks ago the op at Terminal 4

I was just about to ask about that. I flew out of T2 today at 4:40, and not only was there no security there (had to go through T3), there was no reference to CO being there at all. Then when I boarded at gate 29 (CO's old gate), I knew something must've happened. Why did they move?



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Quoting DL4EVR (Reply 12):
and not only was there no security there (had to go through T3),

Any idea why there was no security? How did you get to T3...That must have been a pain...

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
I worked an ERJ-145 to JFK once, and I kid you not, there were 48 pax on board, and it ended up with 135 bags being taken to JFK. Bags stuffed in the overhead; under every seat; two each strapped in toe the two empty seats; packed in the closet; about 7 or so on the flight deck. It was nuts.

Is most of the traffic connecting to international flights at JFK or what? Same question goes for IAH.

Btw, are you an F/A? I always thought you were a ground agent for some reason...


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 13):
Btw, are you an F/A? I always thought you were a ground agent for some reason...

He is a gate agent. By worked, I think he is talking about working it at the gate.



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User currently offlineDL4EVR From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 13):
Any idea why there was no security? How did you get to T3...That must have been a pain...

No idea. While driving up to T2 there was a sign that said "closed until 12:30 please use t3". Meanwhile it was already 2:00 and T2 was still blocked off. So we had to go around to T3. It was quite a walk from T3 to gate 29 in T2!



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 13):
Btw, are you an F/A? I always thought you were a ground agent for some reason...

Was the gate agent that day at D-14. I remember it well.  Smile


User currently offlinePetmbro From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

I flew the early morning flight back on April 12 and the return on April 20. To my suprise the plane was completely full which suprised me since I'd figured CO would rather have NYC routed through EWR. Our flight left out of the Song terminal (T3?) at gate 29. Seeing how I needed to connect in IAH anyway leaving out of JFK was much easier and more convient than EWR.


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User currently offlineCOfaninBOS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

From my understanding, the service to JFK is successful simply due to business traffic (energy related) heading to destinations not served by CO. With the energy market the way it currently is, it's not surprising that they had to increase the service so that oil/gas workers could get where they need to go.

User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1787 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

Quoting DL4EVR (Reply 12):
was just about to ask about that. I flew out of T2 today at 4:40, and not only was there no security there (had to go through T3), there was no reference to CO being there at all. Then when I boarded at gate 29 (CO's old gate), I knew something must've happened. Why did they move?

T2 is soon to be buisness elite check in only and the checkpoints are going to be moved and combined into one. T3 is gonna be for everyone else.



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User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

I doubt the CLE flight will ever be mainline as the ticket counter and airport ops are handled by Coex...without one of their own aircraft the station would have to be converted to a mainline CO station...the only CO employee's at JFK are the 70+ Cargo agents at Bldg#71.

User currently offlineOptionsCLE From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 20):
I doubt the CLE flight will ever be mainline as the ticket counter and airport ops are handled by Coex...without one of their own aircraft the station would have to be converted to a mainline CO station...the only CO employee's at JFK are the 70+ Cargo agents at Bldg#71.

What about the IAH-JFK flights? Those are already mainline, aren't they handled by CO employees?


User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

The ticket counter and airport manager are Coex...only Cargo is Continental...

User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2388 times:
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I am surprise that CLE-JFK is only once a day and, more importantly, that this flight is not timed all that well to make connections. I have no issue with it being a COEx station, but how about a couple more frequencies during the day so we can connect to partner airlines?


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User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 23):
I am surprise that CLE-JFK is only once a day and, more importantly, that this flight is not timed all that well to make connections. I have no issue with it being a COEx station, but how about a couple more frequencies during the day so we can connect to partner airlines?

I agree...it used to be the other way around...2-3 flights to CLE and only 1 to IAH...AA started back to CLE and i'm sure DL may begin also...we need to at least add an early AM flight to CLE...


25 Mbm3 : DL has already started flights between CLE and JFK on a Comair CRJ100. There is an early morning and early afternoon flight to JFK and a midmorning a
26 Junction : DL has served IAH-JFK on and off in the past. It seems like DL at one time (maybe 5 or 6 years ago) served more major U.S. cities from JFK then they
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