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Zoom Airlines , Very Hard Landing ( Video )  
User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24884 times:

A Zoom B767 scary landing at Manchester . Note the pilot never used the thrust reverser .
http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra...line_Zoom_Aviation_Video-6420.html


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User currently offlinePtharris From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 282 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24880 times:

Wow... wonder what his hurry was all about. If you watch closely enough, you can notice the wing flex from the bounce. I'd say an inspection of the undercarrage is in order.  Big grin


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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24811 times:

Hmmm i don't think it was that hard. Where i sometimes spot at Gatwick, you get a clear view down the runway, and a lot of aircraft really thump into the runway and bounce all over the place. The thing i find somewhat strange is that the based carriers at Gatwick usually have the smoothest landings and its the non-based carriers that will have the more 'eventful' landings, something i noticed at Heathrow and Los Angeles as well.

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24800 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Thread starter):
Note the pilot never used the thrust reverser

I guess he had enough runway. You don't not always need to use TR's... Today's braking systems offer enough stopping power.



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User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24800 times:

I wonder how it felt for the poor passengers! Nasty landing!


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User currently offlineMD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1330 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 24710 times:

I'm not sure I watched the same video. I was expecting a spectacularly hard landing. That didn't look bad at all.

User currently offlineRandyWaldron From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 324 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 24576 times:

Ummm...I expected to see something like that Tradewinds 747 going off of the runway or something.

It looked harder than it was. No big thing at all - just some rattled nerves and bruised egos.



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User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 24535 times:

MUCH rather them than me!

Looked like a pretty windy approach aswell!! Still... at least they got down safely  Smile



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 24345 times:

Honestly I don't think it looked that hard, but the flare was terribly executed.
I'll give it a 5 out of 10 Big grin


User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 24339 times:

Quite a hard landing compared to many I've seen from that point of view. Must've been a few screams in the cabin!


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User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 24263 times:

Bounce baby bounce, but not all that spectacular.


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User currently offlineOakjam From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 24239 times:

Looks like the landing I've had on DL109 from ATL to MAD. MAD always seem to be a rough landing for DL. I felt the plane bounce and the some hard braking with the plane turning to the side.

User currently offlineWorldjet777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 24053 times:

You all have obviously never flown Hainan Airways! Their landings were some of the hardest I have ever felt- It was a lot of fun but also made one think about the "location of the nearest exit"  Smile
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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8309 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 24029 times:

Go watch the video of the 777 crosswind tests... then you'll see some hard landings with extreme wing flex. That 767 landing sucked but it wasn't anything extreme.


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User currently offlineDarrenthe747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 23972 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 7):
Still... at least they got down safely

jeez it was a semi hard NORMAL landing, no emergency or anything else out of the ordinary. i've seen a lot worse than that!


User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 23845 times:

Quoting Darrenthe747 (Reply 14):

I wasn't actually saying that there was any reason for the plane to not touch down safely - I was merely pointing out that it could have been a lot worse than what people are making out!

Chill out man!



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User currently offlineBx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 683 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 23671 times:

Landing didn't seem to be too bad, well the second one was better Big grin Regarding reverse thrust, a lot of airlines are not using reverse thrust nowadays. How much fuel is used and could a lack of reverse thrust save on fuel bills?

User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 23530 times:

So main wheels down, nose wheel down and then nose wheel back up and gently down again. Not a 'normal' landing per se but a safe one. Hell for Skyservice, that's actually a great landing!

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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 33
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 23488 times:

Quoting Oakjam (Reply 11):
MAD always seem to be a rough landing for DL

MAD has a rough runway. Normal operations there trigger the alerts on the flight recorder readouts.


User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 23440 times:

I have done much worse than that myself. The 763 can really bite you on landing if you get the flare wrong. I always found it a difficult aircraft to land, especially if I'd been flying the 757 all week!


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User currently offlineBlast From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 23418 times:

Not a textbook example of how one should land an airliner, but nothing bad or dangerous either, I'd say.. Perhaps some one could say something about a possible crosswind situation here?

User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 23377 times:

Cool video, not a really hard landing, but it bounced about quite a bit. I'm flying on a 767-300 on monday, will see how good the Thomsonfly pilots are at landing it now Rick767 has moved on  Wink

Mark



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User currently offlineScoliodon From India, joined Oct 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 23368 times:

Not bad..not bad at all!!
I have done this and much worse on good ol' FS2004 Big grin



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User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1286 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 22154 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
I guess he had enough runway. You don't not always need to use TR's... Today's braking systems offer enough stopping power.

T/R has nothing to do with stopping distance, because if the pilot uses autobreaks 2 and then also uses T/R the brakes will automatically use less force, because of the T/R.

By the way, all the breaking distance tables now a days, with the numbers displayed dont even include the use of T/R, so using T/R and autobreaks wont stop the pane faster, but only wear the breaks off more.'

And the plane did seem to have a pretty big Cross/head wind, so this is another factor not to use T/R

Cheers Leo



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User currently offlineEasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21953 times:

Sorry, maybe a stupid question, but where should I look to see if the T/R are deployed? Is it directly behind the engines? Where should I look and what should I look for?

If someone could pouint it out, I'd be most appreciative.....

Kind Regards,



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25 Post contains images Legoguy : Any landing you walk away from is a good landing
26 Positiverate : See, I think that makes tremendous sense. If you're based at the airport, or its a hub airport that you fly through a lot, you're going to have more
27 Western737 : Yeah, it seems not too bad. I have seen harder landing of Eastern Airlines 727-2 at DCA. I am sure some of you guys already seen the much harder landi
28 Vasu : Very good video... thanks for sharing!
29 Cloudyapple : Re: Reverse thrust - Look at where the terminal is in relation to the aircraft and runway. What is the point of using reverse thrust to slow right dow
30 Qantas744ER : On most engines, you will se a part of the engine slide back, and make a pretty big air crack around the whole engine,at this is were the thrust is r
31 A340600 : The 767's are hard landers normally, that must have been especially felt! Sam
32 Post contains images Visityyj : If you think that was either 'scary' or 'very hard', you could probably get a job as a Toronto Star reporter
33 Post contains links and images C172heavy : EasternSon, look at the engines themselves, at about the midpoint. You should see "doors" open, creating what appears as a black band around the engin
34 Litz : The better question is ... assuming you need to stop by marker X, which costs more? The wear on the brakes, or the fuel used (and wear caused by) the
35 BAtriple7 : My guess is the pax didn't even think it was a particularly hard landing, and that it didn't feel like a hard landing. Looks perfectly normal to me, t
36 EasternSon : Thanks C172, I have seen the "clamshell" T/Rs used on smaller aircraft, but knew these type weren't used on the big boys. Much more clear, thanks so m
37 GatwickA320 : For some reason the 767 always feels like a hard landing even when it's smooth. Is the suspension of the 767ER toughened? I notice the 767's undercarr
38 Demoose : Just remembered the last time I flew on the 763ER way back in 1998 the landing was really hard, loads of overhead bins opened when we slammed onto the
39 Vegas005 : Flare was late...no ground effect..hard landing..not text book but not bad either.
40 Ragousis : Wow, alot of wannabe pilots here very quick to give their uninformed opinions. That was nothing but a 100% safe landing. Yes it was a little hard, but
41 Boeing747_600 : Looks like a very late flare followed by poor initial pitch control after TD. To their credit, they manage to recover from the initial nose wheel boun
42 MD88Captain : BTW. The pitch up of the nose after landing was due to the autospoilers deploying. Autospoiler deployment on the 767-3 will cause the nose to pitch up
43 RomeoDelta : In the Ops Manuals I've read, in certain weather conditions (such as wind, which by the sound of the vid makes it seem it was windy that day), it is s
44 MCOflyer : RICK767 welcome to my RU list. I've seen both the 757 and 767 and feel you. The 757 is a narrowbody. The 767 is a widebody meaning it has a higher sin
45 Philhyde : The "hardest" landing I've experienced was in a 767-400 on Continental. We were seated near the wing and landing gear, and there was a very loud "ban
46 Positiverate : DL pilots don't "upgrade" from the 757 to the 767. The airplane is one category, and a typical 757/767 pilot may fly the 757 on one leg, then a 767 o
47 Jetflyer : Funny. My smoothest landing ever in a plane was on a 767-300ER.
48 Post contains images Skywatch : My thoughts exactly! I love how he puts the nose on the ground, then lifts it up again, as if to say "that was a little rough...let me take another w
49 JAT74L : I've seem main gear bounce but never the main wheels stay put and the nose gear bounce!! Looks pretty rough to me! John
50 YYZYYT : good one.
51 Post contains links and images Western737 : If you go to www.airdiaster.com, click on 'Accident videos' on the top left column, you should enjoy watch the flight test of MD-80 which lose whole t
52 GPS787 : I once flew from LHR to BRU in a BA A319 (I think)..anyway I was fast asleep, with my seat in the upright position mind you, and when we bumped into t
53 Post contains links Ptharris : Umm.. just a little help here, hope you don't mind. The address should be spelled: www.airdisaster.com. I got redirected to some search engine with p
54 Post contains images DCrawley : My quote/signature: Any good landing is one you walk away from. Some are just smoother than others.. othertimes, I say they shouldn't have many the co
55 Post contains images Gearup : ...and if you get to use the airplane again, it's a great landing!
56 DCrawley : Amen!
57 Dl757md : Did you mean to say TRs cost more?
58 Vioron : I experienced my hardest landing on a Gulf Air TriStar. Part of the center overhead panel came off and almost crashed onto the passengers. The crew ha
59 Post contains links MSYYZ : For those of you who don't think it is a hard landing ,compared to these amazing landings , the Zoom one is really terrible : US Airlines A330 landing
60 Oakjam : Hello Tristar Steve thanks for letting me know about the hard Madrid landings. Otherwise I wouldn't have know. I live on one of the smoothest landing
61 ShowerOfSparks : I'd love to hear an explanation of that statement.
62 Positiverate : Same here.
63 Post contains images MainMAN : Whoa!! The last time I flew on a 763 was in 1998 arriving in MAN from YYZ and the overhead bins opened then too. Parallel lives..?
64 Sabenapilot : Looking at the scenery, it looks like this flight landed on RWY 06R in MAN, which means the plane can only vacate at the very end of the RWY (more tha
65 SergioAEE : So im guessing you realise that that isnt really a good thing... When the pilot lands the aircraft like that, puts the front nose down then lifts it
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