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NZ To Increase Premium Economy On 744 Fleet  
User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2268 posts, RR: 25
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6740 times:
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Here is an extract from the media release on the Air NZ website. Here is the link:

http://www.airnz.co.nz/aboutus/mediacentre/pressreleases/default.htm

Air New Zealand is to increase the number of Pacific Premium Economy seats available to customers flying internationally on the airline's B747 aircraft.

The airline's fleet of eight B747 aircraft will be reconfigured to replace 15 standard Economy seats located at the front of the main cabin with eight Premium Economy seats. Work is scheduled for completion by end of October.

Group General Manager International Airline, Ed Sims said the move to increase the numbers of these larger seats on the aircraft was in response to positive customer feedback and strong demand.

"We introduced the Pacific Premium Economy seating class in our upgraded B747 aircraft for those of our customers who seek the additional comfort and space but who do not look to purchase a Business Premier seat," said Mr Sims.

"This new seating option provided at a very competitive price, has proven extremely popular with our leisure customers flying long haul routes such as to Los Angeles, San Francisco and London, and there are strong forward bookings for this seat class. Allowing for seasonality, we have seen an average of 80% loadings in this cabin class with up to 95% during peak travel periods.

Our customers are telling us that the extra width and legroom are 'excellent' and the new seating arrangement within a small cabin environment is 'very comfortable', with many stating they would certainly use it again. Comparisons have even been made with our former business class, with one customer saying that 'the new Premium Economy is fantastic, almost as good as old Business Class."

The Premium Economy seats will be installed progressively in the eight 747 aircraft, with work commencing mid - August and completed by end of October.

Currently 23 Premium Economy seats are located in the upstairs cabin of the B747 so the additional seats in the main cabin will provide a total of 31 in this class offered on the aircraft.

Air New Zealand's new B777 aircraft have 18 Premium Economy seats available.

Premium Economy features Standard Economy features
39-40 inch seat pitch 34 inch seat pitch
18.5 inch seat width 17 inch seat width
9 inch seat recline 6 inch seat recline

Customers seated in Premium Economy share the same facilities as those in Business Premier and receive the same premium in-flight beverage service.


I expect this to be increased even further over the next 12 months.

NZ1

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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6696 times:

Good news... thanks for the post NZ1

yeah I agree about it being increased more... Seems a bit of a waste to just have 1 row down stairs. 2 rows would be more efficient use of space... how much extra pressure will this put on the lavs though?



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4513 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6686 times:

I hadn't seen the stats on the seat before.

The pitch is excellent and seat is as wide as BA's WT+ seat, yet they still manage to fit 10 abreast on the 744?



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6673 times:

any chance the T7's will get an extra row?


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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6654 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 1):
Good news... thanks for the post NZ1

yeah I agree about it being increased more... Seems a bit of a waste to just have 1 row down stairs. 2 rows would be more efficient use of space... how much extra pressure will this put on the lavs though?

Yeah it is good news. I was wondering how often does NZ fly their 744 and 772ER across the Tasman??. I've been trying to look for some P.E fares for winter and summer but can't find any. Do they even fly these A/C across the Tasman??


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6649 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 4):
Yeah it is good news. I was wondering how often does NZ fly their 744 and 772ER across the Tasman??. I've been trying to look for some P.E fares for winter and summer but can't find any. Do they even fly these A/C across the Tasman??

Yes NZ5 flies LAX-AKL-MEL and then returns as NZ6.
NZ137/138 is often a 744 or 772ER
they don't really fly to SYD much however... I think maybe NZ101/102 AKl-SYD is a 772ER often.
AKL-CNS sometimes gets a 744 also.



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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6611 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 5):
Yes NZ5 flies LAX-AKL-MEL and then returns as NZ6.
NZ137/138 is often a 744 or 772ER
they don't really fly to SYD much however... I think maybe NZ101/102 AKl-SYD is a 772ER often.
AKL-CNS sometimes gets a 744 also.

Thanks for that Zkpilot. Do they ever fly these A/C domestically in NewZealand along with the 763?


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6599 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 6):

Thanks for that Zkpilot. Do they ever fly these A/C domestically in NewZealand along with the 763?

When the CHC-LAX service operates they often reposition 744 from AKL-CHC and back... I think it operates as a domestic flight although the pax have to go through intl arrivals at AKL.
Hopefully this flight will soon operate with a 772ER year round 3x weekly rather than just seasonal flights.
There are flights that come down from Japan that go to CHC first then fly domestically back up to AKL although I think they are normally 763ER services, possibly 744 at times.



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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6519 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 7):
When the CHC-LAX service operates they often reposition 744 from AKL-CHC and back... I think it operates as a domestic flight although the pax have to go through intl arrivals at AKL.
Hopefully this flight will soon operate with a 772ER year round 3x weekly rather than just seasonal flights.
There are flights that come down from Japan that go to CHC first then fly domestically back up to AKL although I think they are normally 763ER services, possibly 744 at times

Thanks for that once again. Its good to see NZ moving forward and always improving their service and product.


User currently offlineSpinalTap From New Zealand, joined Mar 2005, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6512 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 1):
Good news... thanks for the post NZ1

yeah I agree about it being increased more... Seems a bit of a waste to just have 1 row down stairs. 2 rows would be more efficient use of space... how much extra pressure will this put on the lavs though?

My guess is that they would replace 5 rows of the blocks of three seats on one side of the aircraft (row 31-35) with 4 rows of two seats.




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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6506 times:

NZ flies 763's and 772's domestically within NZ between CHC and AKL one way only as it is an extension of the KIX/NRT-CHC flights. There used to be a 744 that flew the route but I think that stopped in March. Bummer.

User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6268 times:

NZ1, any news on the 9th 744? Surely it must be getting close now to give it time for an overhaul, paint, refit in time for EIS for the 2nd daily LHR flight?


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User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6235 times:

This just shows the folly of having reconfigured the upper deck of the 747s as half Business Premier and half Premium Economy.

It would be too expensive and time-consuming to do now, but the entire upper deck should be Premium Economy, with a much expanded Business Premier section downstairs.

We have seen that BP and PE demand is outstripping supply: there are too many economy seats on the 747 and 777 aircraft.


User currently offlineV2fix From New Zealand, joined Mar 2003, 368 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6175 times:

Great news - as I tried to book PE LHR-LAX a week ago and there were no free seats until OCT 2006 !!

Now thats market demand for you.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 12):
It would be too expensive and time-consuming to do now, but the entire upper deck should be Premium Economy, with a much expanded Business Premier section downstairs

Mildly agree but having Business PAX next to galleys tends to be unpopular.

VS have similar config as what Air NZ is moving to. The upper deck PE is ALWAYS full - where the downstairs next to the Galley is often empty.

I've even volunteered to move downstairs as VS had no one sitting next to the Emergency Exits!!



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User currently offlineChristao17 From Thailand, joined Apr 2005, 941 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6142 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Thread starter):
Premium Economy features Standard Economy features
39-40 inch seat pitch 34 inch seat pitch
18.5 inch seat width 17 inch seat width
9 inch seat recline 6 inch seat recline

Interesting that SeatGuru shows the economy and premium economy seats as both being 17.8" wide instead of 18.5".

I wonder what the correct answer is?



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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2268 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5961 times:
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Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 11):
NZ1, any news on the 9th 744? Surely it must be getting close now to give it time for an overhaul, paint, refit in time for EIS for the 2nd daily LHR flight?

Thats still being discussed. There may not be a need for it, if scheduling can rejig the 772 and A320's around a little bit, which of course is a huge cost saving.

NZ1


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5901 times:

Quoting Koruman (Reply 12):
This just shows the folly of having reconfigured the upper deck of the 747s as half Business Premier and half Premium Economy.

It would be too expensive and time-consuming to do now, but the entire upper deck should be Premium Economy, with a much expanded Business Premier section downstairs.

yes and no... I think the regulations (CAA/FAA) dictate the number of seats in that upper deck with only the 2 doors... by converting to all Y+ it would mean there would be too many pax upstairs from memory...
also currently there are a few complaints from some elderly and disabled pax feeling discriminated against because they can't make it upstairs and there is currently no Y+ seating downstairs...



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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3221 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5827 times:

Really is kinda like the old First, Business and Economy... but structured differently.


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12211 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5710 times:
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This is good news. When I was on NZ2 on June 1st, I was told Premium Economy was booked out.

User currently offlineRupesNZ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5600 times:

Are NZ still looking to upgrade their 767 fleet? Any expected timeframes for that?

User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5351 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5590 times:

Quoting RupesNZ (Reply 19):
Are NZ still looking to upgrade their 767 fleet? Any expected timeframes for that?

It's already completed, infact its in that same press release as quoted by NZ1 in the original thread.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 5565 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 20):
Quoting RupesNZ (Reply 19):
Are NZ still looking to upgrade their 767 fleet? Any expected timeframes for that?


It's already completed, infact its in that same press release as quoted by NZ1 in the original thread.

yes apart from some of the leased ones.
It is not a full upgrade... partial IFE upgrade but not individual seat IFE.



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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 5534 times:

To clarify, the FIRST PHASE of the 763 refit has been completed. That is, new seat covers, carpets, and soft furnishings (ie curtains).


The SECOND PHASE is to enhance the existing IFE by adding more dropdown screens to make it easier to see. This is scheduled for later this year/early next year, as it takes longer than the 24-48 hours per aircraft the first phase took.

I've worked a couple of sectors on the refit 763 and it looks pretty nice.



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User currently offlineAlaskaqantas From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 905 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5491 times:

Thats great news!
My dad has flown the PE on the 777, and its not as nice as the 747 and its a pretty small cabin, he wasn't to impresssed with it on the 777, but my mum said it was fine on the 747... there is a difference in the products.
So yes I think that its a great idea to add some to the 747, but I also think that 777 could use a few more rows, and space them out just a little more!

I hope Qantas does this for their 2 class 747, I think that it is a great idea, although I do like having it exclusivly business up stairs on Qantas... and if you put the PE down stairs older fork could get to it with out as much problems. but ohh well you can't have everything in this world!
~Cheers-
~~Kyle H.



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5263 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5458 times:

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 23):
Thats great news!
My dad has flown the PE on the 777, and its not as nice as the 747 and its a pretty small cabin, he wasn't to impresssed with it on the 777, but my mum said it was fine on the 747... there is a difference in the products.
So yes I think that its a great idea to add some to the 747, but I also think that 777 could use a few more rows, and space them out just a little more!

From what I understand the PE on 777's are identical seats to Y, just more legroom?


25 Post contains images Zkpilot : no they have more recline, more pitch and have full leg and footrests as well as business premier wine and drinks list
26 NZ1 : The Premium Economy seats are different seats altogether from the normal economy, on both the 772 and 744 fleets. NZ1
27 Post contains links and images Alaskaqantas : on the 772 there are only 2 rows, there should be more if you ask me, but seat pitch is : Pacific Premium Economy 39" (99cm) Pacific Economy 32" (81 c
28 ZKNSJ : interestingly enought there was an article on the news tonight with what could be the new colour scheme, the tail didnt do much for me but the new "wa
29 Zkpilot : I only saw the very end of that clip.... anyone record it at all that would like to put it up on youtube?
30 6thfreedom : But not for long. If the competition consumer approves the Tasman Ntworks Agreement, NZ will withdraw its B744 service from MEL, and replace it with
31 Post contains links NZFan : you have a link to the video via this page http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411365/753494
32 VHVXB : Better book quickly. from what i have read and the pics i've seen the new interior looks very good. I hope to sample their product very soon.
33 NZ747 : Has NBS finished its upgrade yet? When is SUH due to go in and be completed by? NZ747
34 SunriseValley : How is it envisaged that a 777 could help except to be substituted on the daily 747 return flight AKL-MEL or AKL-BNE. ?
35 ANstar : I reckon A320's/772's will replace the AKL-MEL/BNE flying. NZ also seem to have a few 744's on the ground in AKL during the day, so perhaps better ut
36 SunriseValley : I agree that a 777 could be used as a substitute for a 747 on NZ5/6 if need be. Not sure how they could turn it around in LAX without a spare flight
37 NZ1 : NBS should be finished in about a weeks time, while SUH will enter the hangar straight after NBS and take around 6 weeks to upgrade. Spare crew could
38 Koruman : It's bizarre to suggest that 747s will stop flying Trans-Tasman. Firstly, for high yield pax, they offer the only true Business Class Air NZ Trans-Tas
39 Zkpilot : Thats why 777 will fly it instead as they have "true Business Class". With the rejig of the fleet due to the 2nd daily LHR service it is possible the
40 787KQ : I don't believe additional Economy seats would get you over the limit since South African flies 747's with all economy on the upper deck to the UK an
41 Zkpilot : yeah I just had a thought about that... maybe its not the doors that are the problem but the number of F/A's on the upper deck. Most airlines have 2
42 Post contains links 6thfreedom : I agree, but it's there in black and white. Under the Tasman Networks Agreement, NZ would cease operating its B744 to MEL.. http://www.airnz.com.au/a
43 Post contains images Final47 : on a little bit of a different subject... when is airNZ looking to retire there 747's ...because im definatly not looking forward 2 that day!! cuase i
44 Antskip : In the face of modern planes that are so much more economic, how else can it be? It happens to every plane. It may be lovely, but so was the DC-7C, t
45 Lufthansa : Yes totally, lets not forget all the MEL based pax that are chosing to fly NZ over UA (lets say their loyal to SIA for asia and europe so they're kri
46 Post contains images Zkpilot : NZ is looking to replace them from 2011 onwards... some of the 744 fleet are quite old (16 years from memory), whilst others are not so old (6 years)
47 Antskip : I understand NZ not going for the A380, but very much hope they go ahead with the B747i! - it seems to be a very able beast - and far more suitable f
48 1Des1 : I agree about the B748, there is something special about flying on these birds. Isn't the most profitable part of EK's network Australia? Guess it ma
49 Antskip : EK New Zealand routes are add-ons to their highly profitable and much more central Australian routes. EK sends on to New Zealand the planes they fly
50 Planemanofnz : As do FJ and selected AF 744's So would QF do the same?
51 1Des1 : I hope the whale jet comes into CHC too, CIAL has spent about $5 Million making at least one gate capable to handle the 380 so fingers crossed! I'm s
52 Zkpilot : unlikely as Australia is their home... they may possibly change to SYD insted. Of course if the codeshare agreement goes through it won't really matt
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