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Texas Airport Ops & High Heat  
User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 12
Posted (15 years 7 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1714 times:

I was wondering if the high heat indexes experienced during the summer months impact operations at DFW and IAH. Are aircraft, particularly those
flying long-haul routes, subject to restrictions due to the high heat? Does
any airline take precautions to protect aircraft and fuel systems from the

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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (15 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1643 times:

The airplanes are in the air most of the time. Every minute a plane is on the ground is revenue lost for the airline. It's not like the planes are sitting around the tarmac for hours in 107 degree heat, as our cars are.

User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2684 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (15 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Forget Texas, take a look at Saudi Arabia. They have to fly all of those old 747's in and out of there for the religious pilgrimage to Mecca. Im suprised those things dont stick to the pavement.

User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (15 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

Experts please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think heat is as much a problem as humidity. The more moisture in the air, the heavier it is meaning aircraft require longer takeoff distances in order to achieve lift, as opposed to when the air is dry.

DFW (and JED for that matter) both have very long runways which can allow a fully-loaded 747 to take off under such conditions.

Please feel free to correct this...


The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (15 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1636 times:

On Tuesaday, there were multiple records for the state of Texas. Austin, Houston, and others all reported the highest temp ever in their recorded history.

User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5499 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (15 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1605 times:

Tuesday was burning! I don't think it really effects the airplanes that much(unless if you are AA and CO and WN) where you have maintenance bases in texas.As busy as DFW is and the fact that sometimes getting to the runway(distance) takes longer than the actual flight  seriously,I don't think it effects the aircraft that much unless if the airplane is sitting on the ground for 4 hours +.it might effect them then but if you are talking about the widebodies(KLM,Sabena,British Airways,KAL,JAL LH,AA,CO etc) i don't think it effects them that much,i think the only thing you can really do is try and get a quicker turn around(load baggage,load meals,clean airplane etc) and get the passengers on board and seated ASAP,It may not be a problem especially since IAH and DFW are pretty big airports with several runways. My question is how the ground crews handle it!  

Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineCrjmech From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (15 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

Actually, humidity decreases performance by decreasing air density. Water vapor weighs less per unit volume than air. The water molecules displace the air molecules, making the air less dense. As air density drops, so does engine and airfoil performance. High temps also decrease air density. I don't think this is much of a problem for larger aircraft, as their engines are usually derated and have a fair amount of power to spare. Regional airlines at DFW and IAD may be feeling the pinch, though. Garrett turboprops like those on the Jetstream 31, 32 and 41 are notorious for their poor hot weather performance. I understand that the RR/Allison engines on the Embraer RJs also wimp out when the mercury climbs. I had to shake my head the other day when I heard that the temp in the Dallas area was around 110 (not unheard of) but the dewpoint was 85! To my brother mechanics in the Southeast- MOVE! Come out West where at least it's dry.

Thou shalt mind thine altitude,lest the ground reach up and smite thee.
User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (15 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1584 times:

Thanks Crjmech! I never was much of a physicist.


The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
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