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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 2360 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12810 times:

The recent update on the Boeing website states 3 cancellations for the 787. Who are they?

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21472 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12780 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
The recent update on the Boeing website states 3 cancellations for the 787. Who are they?

Discussed in the 6/13 orders thread. Why repeat it?  Wink



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User currently offlineSq212 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12780 times:

See reply #23 under:

Boeing Order Summary For 6/13/06 (by NYC777 Jun 15 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Cheers


User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12488 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Discussed in the 6/13 orders thread. Why repeat it?

Because most people interested in knowing will have missed it if you hide it under such a generic title...

Anyway, to answer the question:

It is Xiamen Airlines which dropped their 3 787-8s.


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12469 times:

Xiamen converted their order for 3 787-8s into orders for 6 737s.


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 12030 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Discussed in the 6/13 orders thread. Why repeat it?

Yes, no need start a new thread over This one, we got it, just move on.

Chinese carrier Xiamen Airlines becomes first operator to cancel a firm Boeing 787 order

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...r+to+cancel+a+firm+Boeing+787.html


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 11962 times:

The title of thread is misleading, one order for three aircraft was cancelled (converted). I wonder which of the remaining "five sisters" get the leftover slots?

User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 11820 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 6):
The title of this thread is misleading: one order for three aircraft was converted.

Indeed, but it was converted to a completely different plane (i.e. 737) so the net result is one customer less for the 787. Therefor I'd say this thread is not half as misleading as this one:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...ion/read.main/2803687/6/#ID2803687

which got 50+ replies....


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 11631 times:

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 7):

I don't understand your value judgement about the other "offending" thread being far more misleading than what I pointed-out here, as the headline of the linked news article was: "Emirates cancels order for 2 Airbus A380F planes." The topic of the thread was: "Emirates Cancels 2 A380F Planes," with a quote from the article and no comment whatsoever from the threadstarter.

IMO, that story, although already stale and being discussed in the forum, was infinitely more interesting because of the reason given for the switch/cancellation/conversion:

“Final definition and specification freeze were proving elusive,” says Emirates president (airline) Tim Clark. “We needed to protect our delivery positions and switched the order to the passenger version. Once the freighter is ready, we will have another look.”

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...+switches+orders+to+passenger.html


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 11227 times:
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Did Xiamen have some change of general direction to make them swap mid size widebodies for single aisle high frequency airplanes? They stayed with the same manufacturor and none of the other Chinese airlines attached to the same group changed so it's apparently not dissatisfaction with the product.

Any ideas for the root of this change?



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User currently offlineEbbUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 11227 times:

guys this is one of our newer and younger members, show some composure.

I too didn't know that the 787 had lost a customer but for your posting and subsequent posts, i am enlightened.


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 11032 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Discussed in the 6/13 orders thread. Why repeat it?



Quoting Sq212 (Reply 2):

Many people will not have realised that 3 787's were canceled as they may not have seen the 'Boeing Order Summary For 6/13/06' thread. I certainly didnt see it. Also this thread as been educational. I learnt and im sure many others have learnt that...

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 4):
Xiamen converted their order for 3 787-8s into orders for 6 737s.



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 3):
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Discussed in the 6/13 orders thread. Why repeat it?

Because most people interested in knowing will have missed it if you hide it under such a generic title...

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Thanks for the info



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User currently offlineMptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 10592 times:

But I would not be surprised if those 3 will be reallocated to another chinese carriers as part of the 60 ordered.

I am still confused as to the CO order of 7+13. It makes sense that the 3 cancelled are part of this. We have to wait till what Boeing has to say.


User currently offlineQuig From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 10538 times:
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I am wondering if another Chinese carrier my pick up these 3 787’s.

As they were a part of 60 ordered from the Government and then allocated to different airlines. What of the chances of the government realocating them to a different airline?


User currently offlineBenThePlaneHen From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 10538 times:

I am confused, why isn't Air Canada on the orders list? I thought they had ordered some B787's.
Ben



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 10425 times:

Shame not to see 787's in Xiamen Airlines colours, hopefuly we will see some in the future possibly!

Isn't it funny how the 787 doesn't get slated as much, if someone were to drop an A350 order then there would be a massacre towards the A350  Wink

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User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 10144 times:

I think it was UA for dropping their order for 200 787-9's, DL for 45 787-3's and F9 for 2 787-8's, or something like that  Wink


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User currently offlineQuig From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 10100 times:
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If a customer Cancelled a 350 order to order 787 (Or the other way) that is news. But a customer re-thinking their stratagey and replacing 3-787s with 8-737s is a different story. In the end Boeing did not lose business

User currently offlineAmerican777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 9939 times:

Quoting Quig (Reply 14):
I am wondering if another Chinese carrier my pick up these 3 787’s

I think CZ will take the orders because CZ signed an initial agreement to purchase 13 Boeing 787 aircraft, 3 of which were for its affiliate, MF*.

Joe.


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 9793 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 10):
Did Xiamen have some change of general direction to make them swap mid size widebodies for single aisle high frequency airplanes? They stayed with the same manufacturor and none of the other Chinese airlines attached to the same group changed so it's apparently not dissatisfaction with the product.



Quoting B742 (Reply 16):
Isn't it funny how the 787 doesn't get slated as much, if someone were to drop an A350 order then there would be a massacre towards the A350  

They were the smallest 787 customer, and had a history of only buying and operating Boeing narrowbodies. They may have decided that they might be better off focussing on short haul.



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User currently offlinePJFlysFast From United States of America, joined May 2006, 463 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 9673 times:

I am looking foward to seeing the 787! I also think it is a better platform then the airbus and has more potintal then the airbus. The 787 should futhfill most airliners needs.

[Edited 2006-06-16 18:24:18]

User currently offline87dreamin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 8598 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 10):
Did Xiamen have some change of general direction to make them swap mid size widebodies for single aisle high frequency airplanes? They stayed with the same manufacturor and none of the other Chinese airlines attached to the same group changed so it's apparently not dissatisfaction with the product.

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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 8289 times:

IIRC, the so-called cancellation is actually an order change. A Chinese airline converted the order to 737-800s. If I'm wrong, please correct me.

Regards,
Sal



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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 8263 times:

Quoting Sq212 (Reply 2):
Boeing Order Summary For 6/13/06 (by NYC777 Jun 15 2006 in Civil Aviation)

How do you hotlink a thread like that?


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 8172 times:

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 25):
How do you hotlink a thread like that?

Copy and paste the URL for the thread. The posting software will automatically detect the A.net thread and format it like that.



ConcordeBoy is a twin supremacist!! He supports quadicide!!
25 777ER : Well it helps people who have been away from a.net like me and have first read it for the first time Thank you
26 B737700doctor : Does it really matter. How many airbus's wont even get ordered? Boeing is back on top baby. I see that us Boeing fans are well out numbered by the maj
27 Legoguy : The posts in this thread are mostly from people interested to know that Boeing had 3 787 orders turned into 8 737 orders. As to whether Boeing is bet
28 BenThePlaneHen : Is Air Canada still going to get it's B787's?
29 Kaitak744 : Yea, it was posted in last years orders. Just go to "Standard Reports" on the side, "Customer", "Air Canada", and you will see it there.
30 Post contains links Leelaw : Boeing expects China to reallocate Xiamen's cancelled Boeing 787 orders, take six more 737-800s. Today a source close to the deal says the three Xiame
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