Ben88 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1093 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2237 times:
To set the record straight I have actually flown similar routes on the 747, 767 and A340. On an 11 hour flight the 767 and A340 take about the same time, while the 747 does it about 20-25 minutes faster, so I don't know where Tedski is getting his information from. The only way it would take 11 hours as opposed to 9 would be if the A340 flew a longer trajectory.
Agrodemm From Greece, joined Apr 2000, 401 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2216 times:
Well, I will not say how faster or slower the A343 is vs the 742, however, I must say, that most of the Greek Americans had loved the Jumbo, and re rather unwilling to get over with the new Airbus.
Recently a friend of mine came from Greece, and told me that "the Airbus did not give him the same safety feeling than the 747........ "
However, I must say, that from what I have heard, the service is good, the food decent, they serve Ouzo drinks as well , PTVs in economy, and all the times that I went to JFK this summer to pick up friends from ATH, the flight was on-time, sometimes came earlier.... (strange for Olympic)
I hope you will enjoy your flight, especially if you are flying Business.
Alitis From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 257 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2206 times:
Just returned from a two week trip to Greece with OA from JFK. I have a few comments (observations really). The JFK-ATH-JFK flights were with OA's A340-300 aircraft. I am 6"1" and had a window seat in tourist class.For a tall person, a window seat in tourist clas on a A-340 is the worst place to be. First of all, while sitting in the upright position the wall curved up in such a way that it actually was touching the side of my head. Underneath the seat in front of you, is a 10 inch square box bolted to the floor that holds the inflight entertainment system for the passenger ahead of you, so you cannot stretch your legs under there or even stow a small bag there as you usually can in other planes. Also the seat pitch is quite small so that when the passenger in front of you reclines, the IFE screen is literally 6 inches from your face. Are all A340's like this? I don't remember OA's 747's being this cramped (window tourist seats). The restrooms also seemed quite small and I felt that I had to wiggle my way in and out of them. I also now experienced the slow climbing ability of the A-340 (via seat of the pants measurement) and it is true. We departed at 5pm from ATH with a packed plane and 95' weather, I'm sure this had a lot to do with it. Now onto OA service. I also took many domestic flights there with OA, ATH-SKG, ATH-ELF, and ATH-RHO, all round trip. I was impressed that all flights I took with OA departed and arrived on time. The food on the JFK-ATH-JFK flights was actually quite good. There was a choice of beef, chicken, or fish, served with a salad, bread, and dessert. Plenty of free wine, beer and other refreshments were also served. The IFE selections were good, 4 movies and alot of other channels to watch. However, YOU NEEDED TO BRING YOUR OWN HEADPHONES! Only business class got free headphones. Tourist class was never offered any, even if they wanted to pay. This was on the 9hr flight to ATH and the 10:45 hr flight back to JFK. If I didn't have my walkman with me I would have been quite upset. ALso, there was no inflight magazines on any of the 8 flights I took with OA. I guess they are doing everything possible to save money. The flight attendants were all cheerfull and helpful, the pilots made many announcements, especially if we were flying over anything interesting. Overall assessment- good flight except for the cramped window seat and no headphones deal. I walked up to business class and saw that the seats were MUCH more roomier and there was no issue of cramped seating. Let me know if you want any more details about any aspect of the trip.
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2189 times:
This recent reply shows how slow climbing the CFM56 powered A340-300 really is when it is packed to the max. The A340-300 needs higher thrust engines like the RR RB211 series & P&W 2000 series with 40,000-45,000lbs thrust.
Ben88 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1093 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2169 times:
The fact that an airline doesn't offer headphones on a 10 hour flight would lead me to never fly that airline again. Even the U.S. airlines, which are not known for their service, provide free headphones on long flights. All European airlines i've flown on have provided free headphones on long flights. How are you supposed to know that they don't provide them? Do you just find out when you're on the plane and it's too late?
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39423 posts, RR: 76 Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 2142 times:
I dont care about little technical difference between the 747 and A340, The Olympic A340 is one of the most beautiful birds in the sky. The best Airbus at least. I love there classic paint scheme and four not two engines on the wings. It reminds me of there old 707s.
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2140 times:
It would look better with P&W 2000 series or RR RB211 series engines on it's wings instead of those underpowered small CFM56s. Thank God on the new A340-500/600 it will have RR Trent 500 series engines with 50,000 to 60,000lbs thrust. I hope Olympic orders some of these aircraft with more passenger capacity to handle the busy JFK to ATH route.
Turbulence From Spain, joined Nov 1999, 963 posts, RR: 22 Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2073 times:
Just a little note, about flight duration.
First of all, you all know for sure (or should) that east-bounded flights are longer than west-bounded ones. Comparing 9 hours on a 747 to 11 on a 340 seems too much to me that the 747 flight time was ATH-JFK and the 340 flight time was JFK-ATH.
Just trying to guess.
As for the times "alitis" wrote, Real Flight Time, acording to himself, you cannot asses anything firmly for having a chronometer on your hand. I've flown plenty of times BCN (my place) ATH and back, directly as well as via MAD, with both Iberia and Olympic. When the average distance MAD-ATH is 3h10, I've done it 2h45 east bounded (supposedly longer) on an A300, and 4h10 (YES: one hour longer!!!) on a 732, west bounded, even knowing that the 732 is a faster cruiser than both the A300 and the 734.
So I find the discussion on how long they need to "jump the pond" absolutely senseless.
Might you find airjets against you, no matter what are you flying on. You'lll be late.
Γειά σου, Αλίτη!! Τι κάνεις; Μ'ενα τέτοιο όνομα δεν μπορείς παρα νά'σαι έλληνας. Απο που εισαι (εσύ ή η οικογένειά σου ) και που μένεις;
OA269 From Greece, joined Nov 1999, 140 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2049 times:
First of all Olympic has plans to buy two more A340 after selling the 747s (by the way one is used again for ATH-JBG).These might be the -500/600.Personally I prefer to put both aircrafts in flights but since the 747s are not economical.And you can't compare A340 with 747 because it has new technology (maybe with a little underpowered engines) and more comforts (ptv,best business class ever etc).The A340 is a bigger A330 with 4 engines.The appropriate compatison is that of the A3XX with the 747.
As regards for Olympic's service and as a company I'm personally proud of it.And that because it keeps on being on first places of safe airliner and in flight service (Greek meals etc you know) despite the fact that it's in a very difficult phase in its history.I flew with A340 ATH-LHR twice and everything was excellent as always : FAs willing to serve, 5 different movies + the earphones (!!) all during tha flight , etc.And it lasted 3h.Excellent despite the fact that the plane was full.
Alitis From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 257 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2034 times:
The reason given by the flight attendants for no headphones were:JFK-ATH "technical problem" with the IFE, even though my own headphones worked just fine, and ATH-JFK "out of stock". The flights were almost 3 weeks apart and the headphone issue was not resolved during that time.
I am not knocking OA's service at all and am happy to see that it has dramatically improved over the last two years. I just hope they can overcome their current financial issues and continue to improve service and expand routes as was planned; eg. two daily JFK flights, and new service to SIA and possibly to ORD.
As the flights I am on are always packed, does anybody know OA's load factor?
OA269-I thought some of the 747's were sold and were to be transferred to a cargo company for conversion. Currently only SX-OAD 'Olympic Flame' is used for passenger service.
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2020 times:
I hope Olympic buys some of those new A340-500/600s with powerful RR Trent 500s and more passenger capacity. They need these new aircraft to handle the busy summer season between JFK and ATH.
I would take these new models over the current A340-300 model which needs better powerful engines of 40,000lbs or more for takeoff and climb when it is filled to the max. Could Olympic trade in it's A340-300s for the new models if they wanted to?
OA269 From Greece, joined Nov 1999, 140 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1998 times:
I hope so Tedski, it will be a nice new fleet fully renewed inside (4 A340s,11 B737-700/800s,4 A300-600s, 2 B717s, 4 ATR & 2 Dornier).By the way Tedski what's the opinion of Greek-Americans about OA's A340 as a plane and comparatively with previous 747, also about the service and the flight which is now always full because of less seats ?
Alitis the B747s are being maintained to be ready for sell.Olympic Flame is used to cover high number of passengers during the summer in various destinations such as Rhodes Island and Johannesburg.I'm probably going to travel with it on Sunday to LHR, according to this weeks schedule.I'll let you know next month with photos taken.
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1986 times:
They miss the 747, had Olympic had the finances they should have went for the 747-400 or maybe the 777-200ER which I flew on with Delta Airlines from MCO to ATL earlier this year. This aircraft was like the 747 inside, very roomy with two window seats on each side and six middle seats. The engines were RR Trent 800 series with 92,000lbs thrust, and boy did this thing move down the runway and climbed very quickly. I have nothing against the A340 except for the engines, those small CFM56s don't belong on a wide-body. The P&W 2000 series or RR RB211 series used on the 757 should have been mounted on the A340-200/300. Hopefully the new RR Trent 500 powered A340-500/600 will match the 777 in performance.
OA269 From Greece, joined Nov 1999, 140 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (13 years 3 months 6 hours ago) and read 1965 times:
Tedski we know that the 747s and the 777s are better than the A340s so you and many other people please stop advertising these 'American aircrafts'.Enough.But believe me more A340s with more frequent flights is a better solution than less 747-400s for Olympic.Plus A340 has the best Business class of every aircraft and it's very economical.
Louis I'm in London University that's why my nickname from the flight code of OA for this route.
Alitis you can find Olympic's schedule in its site www.olympic-airways.gr but don't rely on it because it can be changed at any time.I know these information from 'inside' OA because my father works for it.Olympic Flame is used when there're much more passengers for a route than usual so you can't know that more than 2-3 days before.I'm probably going to travel with Olympic Flame to London this Sunday because it's on schedule for this weekend's first flight to London on 9:30am.I'm happy because if I fly with it I will have flown with every kind of aircraft of OA (yes I've flown with all of its aircrafts !!).A300-600 normally takes this route and is always full.
25 TEDSKI: OA269, let's hope that Olympic gets some of those new A340-500/600s. These aircraft with better engines and more passenger capacity will help Olympic
26 RayChuang: I think once Olympic Airways works out it current financial situation, they should seriously consider buying the 777-300 Longer-Range. Besides having
27 Alitis: One more question about the 4 A340's that Olympic is now using. On a few other websites, they are listed as ex-Air France planes. Are they actually us
28 Superfly: Lets hope that Olympic Airlines dosent look at anything else but an A340! I am an American and I am sick of hearing this Airbus vs. Boeing B.S.! I thi
29 TEDSKI: I bet the A340-500/600 with those powerful RR Trent 500s in Olympic colors would look better than the CFM56 A340-300.
30 OA269: Don't became repeated.OA can't afford to buy 747 or 777.Besides having more A340s with more frequent flights it's a better solution (currently 9 fligh
31 TEDSKI: Does the A340 have a backup manual control system like the 777 has in case the fly-by-wire system fails? Plus I read where pilots flying the 777 like
32 Alitis: This is not a A vs B issue but rather a capacity question. Would OA like the extra capacity of a 777 or 747? You bet they would. However, inlight of O